Too bad that's not his name.
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Yes. I'm aware of that, hence why I also wrote it.
Another defend wouldn't get turned on the half way line as last man. How often do we see our CBs beaten like that?
I thought he was excellent. Bailly was all over the place, first 20 minutes, but Maguire was solid. We can go around in circles forever with this centre back narrative, but I think it's fairly obvious that we have one top centre back in Maguire - and no he's not worth 80m - and we desperately need someone who compliments him.
People on here go through phases of rating Bailly as some outstanding defender, which he definitely is not, he's got very good games with his bravery and pace and some shockers with his decision making. Lindelof is sometimes rated above Maguire on here too, which is absurd, though he can be a relatively OK defender with his composure if he's not challenged with any physicality.
If Maguire had been bought for 50m I'm sure most if not all on here would see that he's obviously our best defender.
People on here go through phases of rating Bailly as some outstanding defender, which he definitely is not, he's got very good games with his bravery and pace and some shockers with his decision making. Lindelof is sometimes rated above Maguire on here too, which is absurd, though he can be a relatively OK defender with his composure if he's not challenged with any physicality.
If Maguire had been bought for 50m I'm sure most if not all on here would see that he's obviously our best defender.
Allow me to introduce you to Victor Lindelof
But not the evidence, hey? Standard.
Let’s see how he performs next time we reach a semi-final. . .
Bailly allows him to take him on like that because he is confident he has the pace to keep with him. He does and thats why hes there with Maguire at the end. Lindelof would have been toasted, Maguire might have fouled because he knew he couldnt catch him but he has had players run past him this season at times. Tuanzabe would also have had the pace to help the other defender/Maguire.
This cannot be real. I refuse to accept it.
As for Maguire, like Bailly that first 10 mins looked poor. But after that played well and some key interventions. He also got forward and had some play towards the opponent's box, something he has been doing the last couple of months to help in attack. Early in the season our CBs werent doing this but now Maguire is often doing it at some point in each match
What do you mean? Surely I don't need to provide evidence that Bailly is faster than Lindelof.
You flagged it as an error by Bailly and if we're being accurate it's a poor ball from Fred that puts Bailly immediately under pressure, he's not in a position to win the ball so his options are to foul or not foul. He decides not to, then catches the player, forces him wide and Maguire does what all good CBs do and covers his partner. The more I think about it it's very unlike Bailly and good sensible defending - I;d expected him to have just taken a yellow and gone through their striker at the start.
I didn't mention anything of the sort. Bailly got absolutely done as the last defender on the halfway line. Whether Bailly is faster or not here is inconsequential, because Lindelof wouldn't have over committed in the first place and that break away wouldn't have occurred. Almost recovering from a grievous error isn't the same as not making an error in the first place. It's an incredibly strange thing to praise.
There's a third option, don't charge at the player and get turned in the first place. It's brainless defending and he relies on his CB to bail him out. You act like it's an inevitably he gets beaten here. He gets absolutely mugged off by a fairly ordinary piece of play. It's the weird sort of praise David Luiz used to get in the early days. If a keeper spills a simple catch then stands tall and a defender gets a tackle in, you don't say what a fantastic piece of keeping that was. This is ignoring the awful pieces of play we saw from him in the first few minutes too.
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Eh? Bailly is up tight with isak, the striker did well to turn but Bailly easily caught him up and shepherded him away for maguire to clean it up.
would you prefer he drops 10 yards and keeps back peddling to goal until he shoots like Lindelof? Probably
He's tight up to Isak is he?
He's got 5 yards on him at least. And thats just what we see here. He steps up when he shouldn't and Isak meanders past him. Really por stuff. If he doesn't overly commit, Maguire can get back in position and the opportunity never happens. As it happens, Maguire does superbly well to make up the yards and get the tackle in before the shot.
Yes? Where exactly is the issue, the guy turns and runs about 10 yards then gets easily tackled.
it seems like you’re wanting to make out like this was some sort of big chance, they were always in control of the situation.
Bailly did exactly what any CB would be instructed to do in a high defensive line. Which is to squeeze the pitch and close off the space. It's something that Klopp, Nagelsmann and even Solskjaer have favoured. Solskjaer used Gabrielsen at Molde to do the exact same thing.
Exactly. We are in their half, win the ball before a counter can happen. If anything Bailly is perhaps too deep, Isak did well to get to it first and turn away from the tackle, but our defenders caught and dealt with it easily.
this is the risk with playing a higher pressing line, but I’d much rather see this than 2 defenders back peddling to their box with zero pressure.
Nonsense. When you're one on one with a defender with acres of space beyond, you never, ever dive in. That's really, really basic stuff. I can't stress that enough.
10 yards? 10 yards?! What clip are you watching? He runs from instead his own half go the edge of our box. The extent in which some people will go to vindicate this piece of poor defending is impressive to say the least.
he was excellent and to be fair i’m glad hes played back into form. Hes slways fit as well.
we have to remember that transfer fees are what it costs to make a club let a player go, more thab a straightforward mark of quality. We overpaid for him but we had to as leicester didnt need to sell. If people could stop bashing him over the pricetag theyd see hes a good player
What are you seeing here? That’s good teamwork from the pair, never any danger and easily dealt with.
Yet didn’t get a shot away, no foul... we got the ball back. What’s the issue?
Oh no! He ran a few metres how dreadful!
Maguire was excellent here, but Bailly without doubt shows excellent recovery pace, and is one half of a pincer movement that ultimately won us the ball back.
I've said multiple times what I've seen here. Ive seen Bailly over commit, get beaten as the last man, and allow their centre forward run half the length of the pitch before Maguire puts in a superb tackle. You're telling me Bailly not diving isnt an option?
You don't unless you can win the ball. But if you lose the ball then you must have recovery pace to recover the situation which Bailly has and dealt with the developing threat in tandem with Maguire. You're micro-analyzing the passage of play in question.
I think you’re desperate to see something that aint there.
Not for a second does that look a dangerous situation.
So it doesn't make a difference how awful it is, if you get covered by someone else it's fine. Can't wait to apply that. What's that? DDG passed it to their CF on the edge of the box? He didn't shot. It's good teamwork.Yet didn’t get a shot away, no foul... we got the ball back. What’s the issue?
Oh no! He ran a few metres how dreadful!
Come on. Bailly’s initial reaction was poor. Or if his name was Lindelof, weak/passive. The two of them did well to recover and bail us out but if that was a quality forward like Salah ripping through our defensive line (or God help us, Mbappe) then we’re in all sorts of trouble.
A simple pass down the middle should never end up in a desperate sliding tackle at the edge of our box if it’s been dealt with properly.
Correct. Does he win the ball? No. Does the CF get beyond him. Yes. Is it good defending? You can pretend it is if it you like.
See this is the difference.
You’re obviously a bit old school and would prefer your defenders to just run away and try to contain them closer to our goal. Others here including me would rather deal with it higher, keep possession and keep the team away from goal.
in the end no goals scored and it helped us keep domination over RS. If only we kept this line against West Brom!
Its good defending, apparently.
It’s not awful though is it? That’s the risk of playing a high line. Sometimes a player might get to the ball first but he was never clear through on goal, they both dealt with it easily.So it doesn't make a difference how awful it is, if you get covered by someone else it's fine. Can't wait to apply that. What's that? DDG passed it to their CF on the edge of the box? He didn't shot. It's good teamwork.
I bet you loved Jose’s football!
Run away and dive in aren't the only two options. He didn't deal with it higher up though. He got beat all ends up and was saved by some impressive play from Maguire. This isn't a stylistic thing. If you wanted to make that argument then Bailly shouldn't be 5/6 yards away in the first place. That way he wins the ball or makes a safe foul. He got stuck in two minds and almost got punished for it.
The ball fell a lot closer to isak, what do you expect him to do there? He tried to win it and the striker turned well. He could have sat back and jockeyed instead but then reinforcements might have arrived. They both dealt with it and he didn’t even get a shot away.
if we want to be playing this style of football more in the future you better get used to it!
His initial reaction was poor-ish but not as bad as you’re making out, was a nice turn, but there’s no danger in this clip at all.
If it was one of the top 5 forwards in the World, yes it may have been a problem.
It’s the opposite of weak and passive to be fair, he gets turned because he wants to win the ball and trusts his pace v Isak if he gambles wrong.
Quite simple really. If you want to win the ball high up the pitch you start high up the pitch. You don't play as a sweeper keeper and start on the goal line. Because that's the worst of both worlds.
All I know is that its painfully obvious that Bailly and Maguire is our best partnership for the rest of the season.
What else would you prefer him to do then?
yes he attempts to win the ball as he knows he’s perfectly safe on the half way line + has to the pace to recover. He got passed the first tackle then Bailly caught him and pushed him into maguire. Easy peasy!
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