If he wasn't doing his best impression of bambi on ice, he could have made an even better clearance, would you agree?Shit clearance?
That was good clearance, clearance that went straight to our player not the opposition player. Bruno had no reason to lose the ball there, he had more spaces and time when he received it before Ndidi came close to him.
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You are replying to my post about people trying to find negativity about his yesterday performance. You need to use your brain to know what you are arguing first, not just throwing your thought about something that is irrelevant to the post you replied.
He didn't hog onto the ball yesterday, give me 3 clips of it from yesterday then we can discuss about it otherwise you are talking shit.
What is better clearance than clearing the ball to your own team mate who have lot of spaces? Especially that team mate is Bruno Fernandes, one of the most creative player in the team, perfect for counter.
Wait so you think I've tagged you solely on the basis of your engagement in Maguire's defense solely on the yesterday's game? And I'm the one that needs to be using my brain...
Yes, I'm going to spend my next 2h+ re-watching the game and editing clips in order to prove that you're wrong...there are more important things than winning an online argument my young padawan.
Now let me first put a disclaimer that I'm not blaming him for the first goal, before you start imagine stuff in your head and start going on how I'm doing exactly that.
How about him not fumbling around which caused him to clear the ball to Bruno and instead clearing the ball further down the pitch and not in the legs of our player that has an opposition player closing in on him with no teammate in sight to pass it to?
He's responsible for the defence as a whole. It's his job. That doesn't mean he made Bailly lose his man.
Wait so you think I've tagged you solely on the basis of your engagement in Maguire's defense solely on the yesterday's game? And I'm the one that needs to be using my brain...
Yes, I'm going to spend my next 2h+ re-watching the game and editing clips in order to prove that you're wrong...there are more important things than winning an online argument my young padawan.
Wait so you tagged me to invite me into argument that I never talk about?
You are weird. Tag someone else mate, don’t tag me talking irrelevant to my post just because you want someone to accompany you.Bruno had loads of time during the first equaliser. Barmy to blame that on Maguire.
Again, I told you already if that’s the case then blame on a team not individual. There are different threads talking about the team or the defense.
But mate I've explained it in the very first post I've made, after witnessing your eternal (and rather bizarre) devotion to defending Maguire game after game after game, it really got me curious.Wait so you tagged me to invite me into argument that I never talk about?
At this point I'm honestly wondering how are you constantly managing to completely misunderstand what I'm writing to you. I mean it's pretty straight forward.
@UNITED ACADEMY oii mate, got one question for ya, a question to end them all.
In your opinion, when it comes to CB's in EPL, where do you rank our good old skipper?
In your opinion, when it comes to CB's in EPL, where do you rank our good old skipper?
I asked question, what’s the better clearance. Why are you making things so complicated and arguing non-sense here?
Further down to who? Bruno had loads time ffs and you can’t find any better player than your most creative player.
And I've explained what would have been a better clearance, something you have trouble accepting because it doesn't suit you.I asked question, what’s the better clearance. Why are you making things so complicated and arguing non-sense here?
Further down to who? Bruno had loads time ffs and you can’t find any better player than your most creative player.
Further down, it doesn't necessarily have to be in the legs of a teammate, just as far away from goal. You do understand sometimes it's actually better if you don't clear it to you teammate who might be in a precarious position?
The problem here is that although Maguire hasn't done anything wrong in the last few games on an individual level, someone has to be responsible for the collective shiteness of the defence that keeps leaking cheap goals.
We look to Maguire as the senior defender and captain to do the job. If he is not up to the job, then we have to bring in yet another expensive defender who can do it and make Maguire No.2 and strip him of the captaincy. I would really rather Maguire just step up to the plate than have to spend more money on bloody CBs.
His performances are good enough for a top 4 team, but we are trying to raise the bar here and be champions.
We look to Maguire as the senior defender and captain to do the job. If he is not up to the job, then we have to bring in yet another expensive defender who can do it and make Maguire No.2 and strip him of the captaincy. I would really rather Maguire just step up to the plate than have to spend more money on bloody CBs.
His performances are good enough for a top 4 team, but we are trying to raise the bar here and be champions.
Oh lord...fine i get it, you're looking for a way to divert from the discussion and you've got no issues if it makes you look delusional. Fair play.
Even worse than his defending is his insistence on holding onto the ball for the longest time possible. He even puts Pogba to shame in that aspect. He's like that one kid in the playground who always wants to hog the ball. It's infuriating to watch him time after time standing still, rolling the ball with his foot. And the trouble is, he has so much of the bloody ball, too.
You posted a video of him putting ‘a foot wrong’ then posted he didn’t put ‘a foot wrong’
Is he at fault for the goal? Not directly, no but his putting ‘a foot wrong’ means the team is playing off of his shite clearance.
That being said Bruno f*cks us by trying to nutmeg a man in our defensive 3rd.
I can't help but laugh that this piece of play is being criticised. The lengths some people go to.
Him and Bailly were practising social distancing on the 2nd Leicester goal, and he just looks so gormless after we concede, he doesn't rally the troops like a Captain.
People are really criticising his clearance? It goes well out of the box and straight to Bruno’s feet, it’s a good clearance. Maybe I’m wrong but I’d guess that it’s being criticised because people are clutching at straws looking for a reason to complain about him.
Maguire and Lindelof are 2 defenders who look the part but it doesn't actually translate to defensive security. You think they are playing fairly well but the team always ends up conceding soft goals with no one individual particularly to blame.
Despite the complaints their composure on the ball does help, but as always the question is if that outweighs the defensive issues. For me the first job of a CB is always to be a strong defensive force first and a ball player second, not saying it is not important to be good on the ball, but if your defensive play is mediocre ability on the ball can not hide it.
Despite the complaints their composure on the ball does help, but as always the question is if that outweighs the defensive issues. For me the first job of a CB is always to be a strong defensive force first and a ball player second, not saying it is not important to be good on the ball, but if your defensive play is mediocre ability on the ball can not hide it.
Do you expect the captain of United to look like that with ten minutes to get a third and go for a winner? Against Brighton he went down on his knees after fecking Brighton equalised against us.
He's always leading the sulk, he's never leading a charge forward for us to go and get a winner. Not a captain for me. How he's managed to get the captaincy after being here three weeks is beyond me.
I think there was never a player who was micro-analysed like Maguire.
Some people are out to interpret anything he does, according to their agenda.
Pathetic
Can you answer the question? I'll repeat it to make it easier for you: Do you expect the captain of United to look like that with ten minutes to get a third and go for a winner?
Sorry but you're talking rubbish. He looks identical to Bruno in the very same clip!
You're mad
I will take the bait. He should be doing better and Bruno is probably our best player to take the captaincy. Also think we should waited little more before giving him the captaincy in the very first year.
What is he supposed to look like?
I never brought Bruno into this. If you're wondering what I think of Bruno's reaction I think it's poor as well and I'd expect more of him, especially if he was wearing the captain's armband.
Good point, definitely in line with the debate climate that is encouraged on the caf. I notice that you still haven't responded to whether sulking is a good reaction from the captain of Manchester United in the face of an 85th minute equaliser.
Thanks for being the only one to respond to such a simple question, but why are you suggesting that responding to a question is 'taking the bait'? I posted that I was disappointed with our captain's reaction (yet again) in the face of adversity, and you're the first to actually respond to that point with others just quoting me saying that I'm mad, that I'm micro analysing Maguire and that I have some sort of agenda.
I'm expecting him to be encouraging the players he's supposed to lead and to motivate them to go forward and get another goal as there was ample time to do so. Not just walk around like someone's told him his dog just died.
He literally went up the other end and won us a penalty against Brighton which won us the game. If you are going to raise ridiculous points please can you at least make them vaguely arguable.
He's a centre half who went up for a corner and had a header deflect off an opponent's raised arm. I mean, if that's what constitutes a leader and a captain and "leading the charge" to you then obviously you have a lower bar than I do. I can show you 30 centre halves every weekend who go up for corners in the opposition's box. Does that mean they've successfully auditioned for the job as Manchester United captain?
I, for example, would look more into whether the player is fannying about passing the ball sideways at the back when we're chasing a goal. But no, the centre half went up for an attacking corner, wow!!
I don’t see Bruno as a potential captain. Fabulous player and great to have as part of the team but, let’s be honest, he’s a bit petulant and has already had arguments with two of his teammates. Much better for him to be free to express himself and have a calming influence like Maguire as our leader.
If you expect the CB to be “leading the charge” when we aren’t even losing but don’t include when they do so at a set piece, then you are going to be waiting a while. I’ve given you a example of when he went and directly influenced us winning a game (despite you not liking his face when we conceded the equaliser) and your response is to say it doesn’t count because that’s what a CB would be expected to do anyone. It’s risible. You don’t like Maguire, that’s fine, but no need to make up nonsense to criticise him for.
Sulking? He's disappointed. As I say you're mad and looking into things far too much to see what you want to see.
You're right. This conversation is all a bit bizarre isn't it.
I simply cannot comprehend how you see it as an act of leadership to go up for an attacking corner in the 96th minute when you're a centre half playing for Manchester United against Brighton with the score being 2-2.
I'm obviously more interested in whether the captain's talking to his teammates, whether he's encouraging them, whether he's upping the tempo of the game to chase a goal, or whether he's sulking and passing sideways between him and his CB partner. Those are much better indicators of his leadership and mentality than the fact that he goes to their box for a last-minute corner.
We obviously see the game differently, so let's just agree to disagree. Sulking after conceding an equaliser is obviously what people expect to see from the United captain, I'll accept that I'm in the minority so I'll just back out.
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They're all disappointed, no doubt, but I expect the captain to be able to look beyond that disappointment and encourage the players he's supposed to be leading and to lead by some sort of example.
And that's the second time you're calling me mad just because you disagree with my opinion. What's the point?
You're being called mad as you're talking nonsense. You don't like the look of Maguire's face for a split second after the equaliser yesterday. Its been pointed out other players on the pitch looked exactly the same (like Bruno) and you've complained about that too. You've then moaned about Maguire's face after the equilizer was scored by Brighton and @Doracle pointed out that straight afterwards Maguire went up the other end of the pitch and won us the winning penalty. You didn't like this either.
You don't like Maguire. That's fine. What you don't need to do is make bizarre things up to try and justify why you don't like him.
Third time. Okay.
So what do you expect me to say? I didn't like that our captain sulked after conceding an equaliser with ten minutes to go. You said "what about Bruno". It would've been hypocritical of me to say that Bruno's reaction is fine whereas Maguire's isn't, wouldn't it? Yes, I thought that going down to your knees after an equaliser was poor from Maguire, who's supposed to be a leader, which I pointed out in this thread, to which the retort was that Maguire's leadership is fine because he won a header from an attacking corner that happened to hit a raised arm and win a penalty.
I mean, what am I making up here? I'm just posting my opinion as to what kind of leadership I expect from the captain of Manchester United. You obviously think it's fine for the captain to sulk and go down to his knees when we concede important goals as long as the opponents raise their arms for his headers, which has feck all to do with leadership.
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