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He's had an awesome tournament
I don't know why I botherWhy should he compliment Maguire for the goal we conceded vs Spurs?
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You sound like RAWK when they blamed their bad form on Van Dijk's injurySurely we would have beaten Villarreal had he been fit. How unfortunate that the injury came when it did.
I am a big Keano fan and I will leave it at that.Why you bother with Keano who rarely criticises Maguire instead of that van der vaart.
I am a big Keano fan and I will leave it at that.
Well not really. He’s just saying we would have had a better chance with our best defender fit, which is correct.You sound like RAWK when they blamed their bad form on Van Dijk's injury
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He was awful against spurs, what did you want Keane to say?You certainly are
Have you ever noticed that some people may criticise someone when that person is not doing too well but are fairly quiet when that person does well and the reverse applies?He was awful against spurs, what did you want Keane to say?
So Keane hasn't said something good about maguire in the 10 months since?Have you ever noticed that some people may criticise someone when that person is not doing too well but are fairly quiet when that person does well and the reverse applies?
I cannot aay I am an avid follower of pundits every word but I do remember him being vocal about Harry and De Gea in that particular game and I have not seen anything overly complimentary since then.So Keane hasn't said something good about maguire in the 10 months since?
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So Keane hasn't said something good about maguire in the 10 months since?
Unfortunatly I’m not a sad sack that can be bothered trailing through 2 years of games to produce a 5 minute video. But instead simply check the Norwich game from last season where Lindelof and Bissaka have it covered, he decides to get involved creating a massive space that gets exploited then Shaw has to leave his man to cover him.
There was a similar situation last night where he had no need to go there which then pulled Stones out of position which Denmark then exploited and Walkers pace bailed you guys out.
I think he is decent but he has a lot of room for improvement and hopefully he does, like I said earlier a lot of his faults seem to be caused by an over eagerness to get involved. More experience under his belt and he’ll hopefully iron those things out so he can be a proper world class defender.
I’m just not going to blow smoke up his ass because he makes a good few headed clearances when he is causing bigger issues in the defence.
Very late reply, but since we had an exchange.. And Maguire is well above average on the ball? His dribling is good, he certainly isn’t «dictating» our play to a high standard, that’s just patently untrue. If he did, we wouldn’t look like tools trying to play out from the back. That aspect of his game is certainly overrated. Lindelöf whom you seem not to rate is a lot more adventurous in his forward passing.You can't do that football is a team sports of 11 players and it is highly important for defenders and other players to build a chemistry. Once HM gets a proper team around him especially not as shite of a player as Lindelof we can judge him, also we hardly had a run for the title. Trophies define better players too. Let Maguire have a go with a team in full strength and even perhaps a better manager who understand modern football.
Also heading wise they are level, Defending wise on the ground, Vidic slightly edges Maguire, once again compare Maguire to Vidi when a passive and poor player like Lindelof doesn't create as much mess for him. We dominated a lot of teams also due to better midfield and world class attackers(in that I think we are not far in a year or two. That means the perception of players will be also very different when players can be bailed out by attackers and have much better defensive cohesion as a team resulting in less chances created for other teams..
Strength wise they are about the same
Attacking wise, Maguire is much better dribbler and passer of the ball. Even just comparing them stat by stat, skill by skill, Maguire is inch worse defender but superior in attacking sense. But yeah Vida didnt have to worry about that much because he had Rio Ferdinand and Carrick, Scholes in front of them. It's a nonsense to claim Vida was anything but above average on the ball, he mostly played it simple because he didn't have that ability to dictate the play and didn't have to because of players around him did it for him.
I speak to fans who are not United fans and quite alot of them rate Maguire, it seems that the ones that rate him the least are United fans.
It was only in august when alot of fans on here were claiming Smalling is better than him, saying we sold our best defender.
Good to see that those have disappeared.
I speak to fans who are not United fans and quite alot of them rate Maguire, it seems that the ones that rate him the least are United fans.
It was only in august when alot of fans on here were claiming Smalling is better than him, saying we sold our best defender.
Good to see that those have disappeared.
I love luke shaw, but getting your head cut off would be worse and harder to come back fromHoping England win so Maguire and Shaw get all the respect they deserve from the football watching public. Maguire has had such a crazy year, loads of our fans on his back. Shaw has had to come back from the worst injury you can get and had to deal with Jose and our fans. They both deserve it. Italy are a different proposition though.
a lot of United fans are thick tbh. The Pogba and Martial fanatics I find are the most deranged and toxic...
there were even some on here who were demanding Maguire to be sold or loaned out..
Agreed.
It was complete nonsense, I remember coming on here after a game and after every goal, Maguire was blamed, even if he was nowhere near the ball or man.
We can all accept he was not perfect and made a few mistakes but he has been amazing for us. now we are also seing him develop into a leader. Its brilliant.
Yep.
He was good in his first season, excellent in his second season. But for a lot of ignorant fans they just wouldnt see it!
It's taken missing the end of the season and a good Euro tournament for some at least to finally see what a quality defender he is.
Eh, in his first season it was pretty much a wash (in my opinion), and Lindelöf was better early on this past one. Harry has really improved since the rocky start, though, and has proven himself to be fecking class. A lot of the people who were angry about spending world class money on him will be the kind who don't want to be seen backing down and admitting to being wrong, though, so they'll refuse to acknowledge his improvement.But Lindelof is as good as him according to a portion of the Caf so we must have 2 Wc cbs on our hands. Why do we need Varane?
I think it’s more that they are Lindelof fans trying to say “but he’s as good as Maguire!”Eh, in his first season it was pretty much a wash (in my opinion), and Lindelöf was better early on this past one. Harry has really improved since the rocky start, though, and has proven himself to be fecking class. A lot of the people who were angry about spending world class money on him will be the kind who don't want to be seen backing down and admitting to being wrong, though, so they'll refuse to acknowledge his improvement.