KennyBurner
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tuanzebeWhich player are you talking about?
tuanzebeWhich player are you talking about?
It's not wrong, but to identify yourself with your new club that early and speak in those terms is what I would call stepping forward and trying to be a leader.Not sure how that means he is trying to be a leader or saying something that's not natural. He grew up during glory days and he is saying what any ManUtd fans says, that we should control the game better and should be afraid to take risks and attack.
It's not wrong, but to identify yourself with your new club that early and speak in those terms is what I would call stepping forward and trying to be a leader.
Exactly, it's a basic thing to do. So why are you so impressed by it? I'm not the one arguing it shows amazing leadership qualities. To copy your way of arguing and posting:
Everything is in isolation, but for me this is partnof what is giving me the feeling that he is trying to show leadership. Again, I can be wrong and the opposite is true that he has no ambitions to lead his team.This is just nitpicking.
Jesus suggesting he isn’t clearly better than Evans and Huth. Even Luiz and Stones are better than him.
I agree with your take.I didn't suggest Stones/Luiz were better than him, but they're in a similar model in that they too have the same major weakness as Maguire.
Lack of awareness/Lack of positioning, i'm not sure what you call it.
A true Leader, a Tony Adams/Roy Keane/John Terry etc 'Lead by example', they don't just bark out instructions, they back it up with their performances.
John Terry would've been backing up Lindelof for the goal you conceded against Palace.
In a Leicester shirt Maguire hasn't been anywhere near as impactful as Huth/Evans, I'm not really sure how any of you can argue with that.
The year before he arrived we conceded over 60 goals in the league.....We conceded 60 goals again when he was a regular.
Contrast to Huth and Evans.
Huth turned us from a side destined for relegation to the greatest escape in the premier league in 6 months.....And then turned our back 4 into title winners in just another 12 months, but unfortunately got crocked after.
Evans arrived when we conceded 60 goals in the league, and unlike Maguire, through Leadership, organised the same defence into conceding 48 goals.
Maguire has not demonstrated Leadership at Leicester City.
He was deputy to Morgan/Evans, and would certainly have been to Huth had they both been present at the club at the same time.
Being a better leader than Pogba/Smalling etc does not suddenly make you a good leader.
Chelsea have become a significantly weaker side without a £100 million player in Hazard.
Southampton have become a relegation battling side from a comfortable mid-table side without a £75 million player in Van Dijk.
Real Madrid have gone from a side dominating European Football, to a far weaker side losing a £90 million player in Ronaldo.
Liverpool have gone from a side competing for 4th spot, to become Title challengers and European cup winners with £75 million Van Dijk.
Time will tell if Maguire is the 'Leader', 'Quality defender' and 'Our Van Dijk' that some of you claim he is.
I have a feeling you will be disappointed though, and unlike Evans/Huth, who are 'Clearly not better', he will retire with less Premier League titles than either.
I agree with your take.
Our leader at the back last season was Lindelöf, i'm unsure whether Maguire even is our leader. He has got the price tag, but he's actually not been that great so far.
Maguire has made a few sloppy errors in our matches this season that have cost us goals, which has made Lindelöf look bad. Lindelöf has gotten a lot of stick so far this season, but i think they are similar in levels actually. He's certainly not a level above him right now, that's for sure. We paid £30m for Lindelöf though who's a year younger too & has the shown the ability to lead a defence.
I want to see him against the top sides so we can see what he's like vs agile forwards, as if he can't cope with them, we might as well have kept Smalling if that's the case.
Lindelöf originally lost the header but Maguire never covered for him and failed to track the runner. He was just as guilty in that goal.What are you talking about? Lindeolf was at fault for the goals against Palace and Southampton. Maguire has been one of our best players so far.
Lindelöf originally lost the header but Maguire never covered for him and failed to track the runner. He was just as guilty in that goal.
Vs Southampton, the same scenario happened with Maguire losing a header to a much smaller player but Lindelöf was on the ball & covering for him and snuffed out the chance.
The goal at Southampton, Lindelöf got outjumped by the bigger player who also had a running start on him. That can happen. He also signaled to the players around him twice but Rashford ran off & Pogba just stood there watching so i do think it's a bit harsh to pin the blame all on him in that case.
Whereas you see Maguire as being one of our best players so far, for £80m my expectations are higher. He has been very good going forward yes, but defensively has been shaky. Against the top teams i have my concerns. This is what i have thought before he even signed to be honest.
Has he really been much better than Lindelöf so far? My opinion is i don't think he has been. I would say they have been similar.
Chelsea have become a significantly weaker side without a £100 million player in Hazard.
Southampton have become a relegation battling side from a comfortable mid-table side without a £75 million player in Van Dijk.
Real Madrid have gone from a side dominating European Football, to a far weaker side losing a £90 million player in Ronaldo.
Liverpool have gone from a side competing for 4th spot, to become Title challengers and European cup winners with £75 million Van Dijk
Time will tell if Maguire is the 'Leader', 'Quality defender' and 'Our Van Dijk' that some of you claim he is.
I have a feeling you will be disappointed though, and unlike Evans/Huth, who are 'Clearly not better', he will retire with less Premier League titles than either
It was iHicksy who brought up him ordering people around and telling Lindelof to take the freekick as something extraordinary, hence why I mentioned that. Well if you had you would see that he's not playing his own game atm. It looks like he's focusing to much on the expectations on what he "should be" because of the media/price tag/whatever.
Where have I said he's trying too hard? And trying too hard at what? You seem to think that I'm blaming him for our performances or something. I've already said I think he will be a good buy for us. But imo he will show his true quality when he starts to focus more on his own game.
And the missed header in the first half. Apparently, it only counts when Lindelof misses a header. It happens to the best of them, though. Really encouraging to see his partnership with Lindelof continue to develop.Bar that moment with Vardy in second half he was really good.
Don't remember that but yeah people and their favourites.And the missed header in the first half. Apparently, it only counts when Lindelof misses a header. It happens to the best of them, though. Really encouraging to see his partnership with Lindelof continue to develop.
"feck off Maguire, we don't need you... as we've got Soyuncu" - Leicester fans before kick off
I don't think he missed it. He was out of position and didn't go for it.And the missed header in the first half. Apparently, it only counts when Lindelof misses a header. It happens to the best of them, though. Really encouraging to see his partnership with Lindelof continue to develop.
Same difference, it resulted in him missing it. It happens.I don't think he missed it. He was out of position and didn't go for it.
Well, that's how I remember anyway.
I don't think he missed it. He was out of position and didn't go for it.
Well, that's how I remember anyway.
He did not miss it.Same difference, it resulted in him missing it. It happens.
So he got it then did he?He did not miss it.
And the missed header in the first half. Apparently, it only counts when Lindelof misses a header. It happens to the best of them, though. Really encouraging to see his partnership with Lindelof continue to develop.
By your logic, every of our players missed it then.So he got it then did he?