How did Kosovo's defense do?
No, people wanted us to be like England. Not Kosovo
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How did Kosovo's defense do?
No, people wanted us to be like England. Not Kosovo
They didn't though did they, they just wanted us to play modern football and not get penned in by teams letting Smalling have the ball.
No, they spoke of England
Who are 'they' It's they way football is played now, by and large, surely this hasn't passed you by?
Let's be honest it was VERY soft. He pretty much brushed the back of his leg with very little force. It was an obvious case of the striker feeling a touch and hitting the deck, rather than actually being impeded.
Personally for me that's never a penalty and would be laughed off in amateur football.
Who are 'they' It's they way football is played now, by and large, surely this hasn't passed you by?
So Roma arent a modern team? And we were the only team in europe that doesn't "play the ball out of the back" despite us playing Lindelof and Jones together at some points and Jones being in the ball playing England squad?
What a ridiculous idea.
They would be the posters talking about Smalling holding us back that you cant be bothered to go and read about.
I said 'majority' of teams on purpose.
Smalling was holding us back in that regard. Fact is though, Ole hasn't based his defence on England's defence no matter how much you would like to imagine it.
If the shadowy 'they' faction said it on this forum then it doesn't qualify it as the aim of the coaching staff at United.
Nobody said they did. I'm talking about posters on the forum not our backroom staff
Also as for lots of teams playing out from the back, half the goals and the England post hit came from players overplaying in dangerous areas trying to be too clever when it wasnt needed.
The Maguire penalty wasnt, that was just him struggling to make a basic clearance. The headed Sterling goal, and the Sancho goal that Sterling set up werent. The rest came from defensive players taking chances (including Rice, DM)
Nobody said they did. I'm talking about posters on the forum not our backroom staff
Also as for lots of teams playing out from the back, half the goals and the England post hit came from players overplaying in dangerous areas trying to be too clever when it wasnt needed.
The Maguire penalty wasnt, that was just him struggling to make a basic clearance. The headed Sterling goal, and the Sancho goal that Sterling set up werent. The rest came from defensive players taking chances (including Rice, DM)
What does the opinion of posters on here (of Smalling lets face it) have to do with an objective assessment of how Maguire played last night?
Your original point seems agenda driven.
I qualified that I felt he played well on the ball but that his mistake was a pretty bad one. He wasn't culpable for any of the other mistakes.
You’re gonna regret this. Engaging with him is beyond pointless. Just put him on ignore.
Keane is shit.
Since hes so damn slow you would hope his positioning was good, so far its been poor.
He should change his nick to
"In the name of Smalling" or "Smalling crusader"
Thanks. I saw the penalty situation. Stupid mistake but it happens.
It’s more about the act rather than the impact. There was no need for that follow up.
Someone who has an agenda would read it as agenda driven, assumptions come from ourselves afterall. So no surprise there. He obviously didnt play very well
He played well from what I saw, but I didn't see the penalty.
It doesn't matter how he does for England anyway, he's been good for United since he joined us.
It doesn't matter how he does for England anyway, he's been good for United since he joined us.
Penalty aside (of which I missed in real time and only saw a replay of) I thought he was good, too. I love watching him play, which is rare for a defender for me!
I'm glad he made his mistake for England and not United. He will learn from it.
Like all Leicester fans, none of us wanted to sell Maguire.....But fortunately it was done on our terms and will prove to be a great bit of business for ourselves, having both Benkovic/Soyuncu for half the Maguire fee, and will both more than likely reach Maguire's current level.
Maguire is exceptionally good with the ball for a center half, he's a threat with his physicality and he never hides from looking to make something happen.
But.....
He is not a Leader, that is the greatest misconception I have seen seen even as early as when this transfer was first being discussed.
'He will add real leadership/Experience to United's backline' was a tagline constantly spewed out by the media and was picked up by United fans that hadn't really watched enough of him.
At Leicester Maguire was always the 'Junior' of the two center halves. Even Evans who only came in last season, made it immediately obvious, with his performances and attitude, that he too would take charge of the back line if not partnered by Morgan.
I think Maguire was potentially 12 months away from gaining that experience to become on a similar level to Jonny Evans. A big regret for me was that Maguire never got to learn from alongside Huth, who did absolute wonders for our side and was one of the main reason we won the league when we did.
Outside of Van Dijk, there are no other World Class Center halves in this league, is Maguire the closest there is?
He is in that bracket certainly.
Better than the likes of Stones/David Luiz etc, but not really obviously better than Jonny Evans/Robert Huth who has/have been absolute steals for us.
Maguire could be part of a World Class center back pairing but i'm not convinced he could be that without being the weaker of the two in that partnership, a Kompany/Ferdinand/Vidic/Van Dijk is needed for him.
Is that worth £80 million?
He's more Matip than Van Dijk.
Maguire is exceptionally good with the ball for a center half, he's a threat with his physicality and he never hides from looking to make something happen.
But.....
He is not a Leader, that is the greatest misconception I have seen seen even as early as when this transfer was first being discussed.
'He will add real leadership/Experience to United's backline' was a tagline constantly spewed out by the media and was picked up by United fans that hadn't really watched enough of him.
At Leicester Maguire was always the 'Junior' of the two center halves. Even Evans who only came in last season, made it immediately obvious, with his performances and attitude, that he too would take charge of the back line if not partnered by Morgan.
I think Maguire was potentially 12 months away from gaining that experience to become on a similar level to Jonny Evans. A big regret for me was that Maguire never got to learn from alongside Huth, who did absolute wonders for our side and was one of the main reason we won the league when we did.
Outside of Van Dijk, there are no other World Class Center halves in this league, is Maguire the closest there is?
He is in that bracket certainly.
Better than the likes of Stones/David Luiz etc, but not really obviously better than Jonny Evans/Robert Huth who has/have been absolute steals for us.
Maguire could be part of a World Class center back pairing but i'm not convinced he could be that without being the weaker of the two in that partnership, a Kompany/Ferdinand/Vidic/Van Dijk is needed for him.
Is that worth £80 million?
He's more Matip than Van Dijk.
If Maguire isn't a leader why did he get the armband after Kane came off vs Bulgaria?
To say he isn't clearly better than Evans is utterly ridiculous.
To say he isn't clearly better than Evans is utterly ridiculous.
Indeed. I've watched every game he's played for us and he's clearly a leader. He's only been at the club five minutes and he's ordering people around. Against crystal palace he grabbed the ball off of young pushed it into victors arms told him to take the freekick, then pointed where he wanted it and ran into the box. He's more of a leader than i've seen for us in recent times.
Have you spent the last 12 months watching the two together?
When Maguire was partnered with Morgan/Evans, he was never as vocal or show as much leadership as the other two.
He's a significant upgrade to Morgan, but the difference between Evans/Maguire is negligible.
Maguire is more dominant physically and better at bringing the ball out.
But Evans has superior positioning and is better at organizing the back 4, likely a result of his greater experience.
If given the choice between the two, for the same price, I would take Maguire......
But only because he is younger and Evans can be injury prone.
As for the armband question, just because you have more Leadership qualities than others, it doesn't mean you are a good Leader. Who else could it have been given to realistically bar Henderson?
You could ask the opposite question.....If Maguire is such a strong leader why didn't he get the armband over Morgan/Schmeichel at Leicester?
If Jones weren't so injury prone I would question how much of an upgrade Maguire is on him tbh.
He's a good player but It still feels like we wasted way too much money on him just like we did with lukaku considering he is not amazing defensively, even in the last world cup which helped create a lot of hype around him I didnt think what a great defender.
He's a good player but It still feels like we wasted way too much money on him just like we did with lukaku considering he is not amazing defensively, even in the last world cup which helped create a lot of hype around him I didnt think what a great defender.
How to soil your entire argument with an egregious display of bias.
You must realise too that Jonny Evans is from round these parts and didn't have the mentality to deal with the pressure of being a leading defender for United.
Are you having a laugh? For one thing, you can't really compare Southampton's van Dijk to Liverpool's van Dijk. He stepped up and got a new platform. He's a better player now, though he was always a very good centre half, he wasn't world class at Southampton (nor Celtic).
Coming into a side that already has a captain that's lead them to the Premier League title (Morgan) is different to coming into a side that has absolutely no leaders and hasn't had leaders for years, bar a short spell where Zlatan owned the dressing room. Maguire has quite clearly shown leadership at United and he's the leader in England's backline, though he does need a better partner than Keane. Same at United, he needs a better, more fitting partner, than Lindelof (and a modicum of protection from the midfield).
Unlike van Dijk, Maguire came into a very flawed side that needs serious repairing at a club in turmoil. Van Dijk came into a side that was progressing nicely and needed only that missing piece to the puzzle. Much less pressure and a better platform to take the next steps in ones career. This is not to say he isn't a better player than Maguire, he obviously is, but Maguire isn't really being done any favours with the side he's coming into.
You also don't mention Laporte who is clearly world class but you don't forget Luiz or Stones. Further undermines your angle really. Sounds like sour grapes to me, even though we all know Maguire at 80m was overpriced. I'd definitely have him over Jonny Evans though, regardless of cost. It's fortunate that you are so delighted with Evans.
And what makes you think Benkovic and Soyuncu will "more than likely reach Maguire's current level"?
I think you forget we have seen alot more of Jonny Evans that you have you melt.
Maguire is one of the best in the PL, Evans is good but not that good.
How much of an upgrade to Jones?
A leader
Good on the ball
Doesnt need last ditch like Jones
I'm not exactly new to the caf's ways, but why are people overreacting so much? He gave away a penalty on international duty, must be a waste of money. Ridiculous
I actually think he should focus more on his own game. Seem to be focusing to much on looking like a leader, maybe it’s because of his price tag. I don’t care about him telling someone to take a free kick or trying to get everyone to celebrate a goal together if he’s not getting the basic defending right.
Not sure who you've been watching since he's been our best centre back by a mile.
That's not difficult to be fair. We need him to be one of the best in the league.
Thank god that we finally have someone who can order people around. I just think he should focus on his own performances and iron out his mistakes before trying his best to look like a leader.
Jesus suggesting he isn’t clearly better than Evans and Huth. Even Luiz and Stones are better than him.
Point ... agenda driven ... Ekeke
I actually thought he played well bar the mistake
I agree with parts of this. It doesn't seem like the leader role comes natural to him, but more something that he feels he must take on because of expectations.
Also leadership grows and it comes with time. You cant come to a new team and think you are the leader just because of your price tag. I dont know how others feel a new guy comes in and just act like he is the new leader.
I think he feels pressure on himself, to not only become the leader but already today be the leader of the team. But to me it does not look like it comes natural to him. Ibrahimovic was the new leader after a week. We will see if it comes with time.
He isn't doing something that's not natural to him, he isn't trying to become a leader. He is doing what any senior CB does. It's not like he is playing alongside seasoned veterans. He plays alongside Lindelof, Shaw, AWB who all are young enough players.
Also the way I see it, he is just communicating with the players which is also big part of defensive set up.
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