Harry Kane MBE | Performances

Real Madras said:
And still is going to win F-all for England or Tottenham. Rooney has more trophies and was a better player. Kane cannot lace Rooney’s boots.
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Somebody had to help with Rooneys laces… he certainly couldn’t reach them.
 
It looks like he just shut his brain off for that penalty. The only time it matters. Sadge
 
Pscholes18 said:
That miss was unforgivable. A striker of his caliber to sky it like that? Should of let someone else take the pen to throw Lloris off.
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I think Kane is that good with the first, he should have gone the same side.

The penalty was unsaveable, put it same corner and if Lloris somehow saves it which no keeper would then fair play to him.

Ronaldo could go the same corner every time too and no keeper would reach it.

Kane really didn't need to change his approach, not in a major game.

Go with what you're comfortable with, I watched Linekar and Shearer say similar recently just go with what you are confident with since its 90% mental.

Spurs isn't good for him either, he needs big game experience with lots of pressure on him, because the miss today was excusable at that level, but he should have done better.
 
TMDaines said:
It feels as if Harry Kane will have had a pretty unprecedented career if he never wins anything. I’m struggling to think of any comparable, arguably world class, high profile player who won absolutely no senior, major trophies for England or a European club during his career.

The only England players with over 50 caps or 20 goals to essentially win feck all are Tom Finney (who won a 2nd division title), Kane, Johnny Haynes (who actually won the South African league), Maguire, Pickford and Steve Bloomer (who also won a 2nd division title).
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I looked around and it seems like it's Kane and Socrates miles ahead of everyone else.
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
Can't understand people claiming that Kane "bottled" the pen. It takes bottle to try and stick a pen in the top corners like Kane does because you know there is always a risk of it getting a bit too airborne (as it did). He mishit it but I think it showed a strong mentality and confidence to try and take the keeper out of the equation (if you fire a pen into the top bins no keeper is saving it whereas a well struck pen down low gets saved if the keeper guesses right).
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Yeah, he has a high percentage because he doesn't take as many safe but sort of bad penalties, and he skied one. Happened to Sergio Ramos in the CL against Bayern. When you go for power your odds of being great at penalties increase but a miss looks so much worse than a garden variety save from a keeper.

He didn't bottle the pen, he just can't run anymore, really, and he played in a team with no second player who scores every other game like Mbappe had in Giroud, and Mbappe's guy scored his chance. Kane's is Rashford, and he didn't start, though I don't really have a take on that personally. I watched the game at a pub with friends and not analytically on my couch, I never really see the game as clearly with a crowd.
 
He's a top player, and if he had moved to a bigger club he would probably be remembered as an English great. Now he'll be remembered for consistently bottling it at the biggest occasions.
 
PoTMS said:
100% true. Rooney at his peak was twice the player Kane is. Better goalscorer, sure.
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Not a Kane fan, but Rooney had the impact of an empty Pepsi can when it comes to England.
 
He comes across as the type who will probably be haunted by that miss for a long, long time.
 
Zen86 said:
He comes across as the type who will probably be haunted by that miss for a long, long time.
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So, as was the case for all England penalty losers thus far?
 
Still think the manager has to make decision before the game if there 2 pen then the 2nd should be taken by someone else. Its part of the game details that the team should worked out before the game to maximise the chance to win the game. Every little details and margins can be the decider in this magnitude of game.

You can see his mind is a bit rumble under pressure already with his 1st pen and the moment he took the ball for the 2nd pen i think most know that he wouldnt score. Taking 2 pens inside the 90mins is already hugh pressure not to mention against a keeper that you work with everyday.

Also, its a game of science and mentality re taking pens. Players like Zidan, Pirlo calm down, look confiden, and knows what they doing to put away the pens.
 
Thought he had a good tournament. Created lots (3 assists) for his teammates and was the glue that held the attack together. He may have been top scorer in 2018 but this felt like a better tournament for him.
 
You have to feel for Harry. Playing for England clearly means a huge amount to him and for him to be the man who spursed the chance to go down in history has to hurt.

Sorry spurned. I meant to say spurned.
 
NoPace said:
I looked around and it seems like it's Kane and Socrates miles ahead of everyone else.
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Even Socrates cleaned up in the Brazilian state championships. Another two shouts would be Bernd Schneider (81 German caps) and Antonio Di Natale (42 Italian caps).
 
Reyoji-Utd said:
Still think the manager has to make decision before the game if there 2 pen then the 2nd should be taken by someone else. Its part of the game details that the team should worked out before the game to maximise the chance to win the game. Every little details and margins can be the decider in this magnitude of game.

You can see his mind is a bit rumble under pressure already with his 1st pen and the moment he took the ball for the 2nd pen i think most know that he wouldnt score. Taking 2 pens inside the 90mins is already hugh pressure not to mention against a keeper that you work with everyday.

Also, its a game of science and mentality re taking pens. Players like Zidan, Pirlo calm down, look confiden, and knows what they doing to put away the pens.
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Hindsight is a beautiful concept. Better players than him missed pens and will miss them. No one can predict it, specially not when taker is as consistent as him. Whoever says with a straight face, "I knew he was gonna miss" is lying to himself
 
kouroux said:
Hindsight is a beautiful concept. Better players than him missed pens and will miss them. No one can predict it, specially not when taker is as consistent as him. Whoever says with a straight face, "I knew he was gonna miss" is lying to himself
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The people saying that said it before the first too. It’s a general pessimism thing. It’s the stopped clock.
 
kouroux said:
Hindsight is a beautiful concept. Better players than him missed pens and will miss them. No one can predict it, specially not when taker is as consistent as him. Whoever says with a straight face, "I knew he was gonna miss" is lying to himself
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I think Kane knew he was going to miss in a funny way. The only reason why you put so much power and height on it is if you expect the keeper to go the right way.
The first and second penalty’s are completely different from each other. The first was Kane at his confident best, the second..wasn’t.
I honestly think Kane would have been smart to pass it on himself
 
kouroux said:
Hindsight is a beautiful concept. Better players than him missed pens and will miss them. No one can predict it, specially not when taker is as consistent as him. Whoever says with a straight face, "I knew he was gonna miss" is lying to himself
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Seriously, during the VAR check I was cursing Théo and had already added Kane's goal. There isn't a lot of players that I trust more for penalties or even 1v1 than Kane.
 
cyberman said:
I think Kane knew he was going to miss in a funny way. The only reason why you put so much power and height on it is if you expect the keeper to go the right way.
The first and second penalty’s are completely different from each other. The first was Kane at his confident best, the second..wasn’t.
I honestly think Kane would have been smart to pass it on himself
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If he had passed it on, he’d get dogs abuse for shirking from responsibility. Who’s even the next best penalty taker there? Saka has missed a critical one, Foden doesn’t take them for club and then you’re down to options like Henderson or Shaw.

He had a fantastic game bar the penalty miss and he could have put the game to rest had he gotten better service.
 
There is always added pressure taking a penalty at that time of the match. When you factor in that it is your second penalty of the match it certainly adds pressure.

To top it off, he is facing his club goalkeeper. The pressure would have been insane.
 
Who is England's second taker? If Southgate takes it from Kane and say Henderson missed then would people not criticse Southgate? Really?

Kane has a great pen record and you'd back him, players miss pens it happens and Kane had a good world cup to his credit.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
If he had passed it on, he’d get dogs abuse for shirking from responsibility. Who’s even the next best penalty taker there? Saka has missed a critical one, Foden doesn’t take them for club and then you’re down to options like Henderson or Shaw.

He had a fantastic game bar the penalty miss and he could have put the game to rest had he gotten better service.
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Whoever takes it behind him would have had an easier penalty than Kane had. Kane may be better but he’s taking a second penalty against the team mate who has faced thousands of them in their career together while it being a pressure penalty in itself. That reliability Kane gives you evens out with a lesser pen taker if you factor in that scenario.
I one hundred percent agree Kane should take it but it would have been smarter if he didn’t. It was infinitely harder for Kane than it normally would be. Not only did Kane panic but Lloris read him like a book. Kanes penalty shows he knew Lloris would guess the correct way, if Kane thought this he should have passed it on. He’s trying to score knowing the keeper is diving that way, that’s not a pen anymore, feck knows what it is but it’s not a pen.
I’d also argue Kane had a better first half than second because France blocked off the space between the lines. He got service in the box, he rolled defenders, he did it all in dangerous positions. As soon as France backed off he couldn’t wait to drop deep and when he did he became a non factor. It’s been a huge problem for England for a while now. All Kane seems to score is penalties because he’s never in the box. He hardly ever scores from open play anymore but is about to beat Rooneys record with what? 16/17 penalties? It’s obscene but that’s how Kane plays these days. That isn’t his teammates fault.
 
I feel sorry for the guy because he looked absolutely haunted at the final whistle. You feel like this will stay with him for a long long time.

At the same time though, why did he change his run up?? Nerves? Pressure? An attempt to throw Lloris off? Such a strange moment to completely alter your penalty technique.
 
The right person stepped up. Sometimes you just miss penalties. I don’t think Kane is the sort to let it bother him though.

oh and he’ll be a united player by august.
 
UweBein said:
Not a Kane fan, but Rooney had the impact of an empty Pepsi can when it comes to England.
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Kane literally just equaled Rooney’s England record whilst their club careers aren’t comparable. Not sure what you’re trying to get at here, you pick Rooneys career at the same age as Kane 10 times out of 10.
 
kouroux said:
Hindsight is a beautiful concept. Better players than him missed pens and will miss them. No one can predict it, specially not when taker is as consistent as him. Whoever says with a straight face, "I knew he was gonna miss" is lying to himself
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Nothing about hindsight. Anybody else i cant say but for me i knew that hes going to miss it (2nd one). Like i said just by looking at his 1st pen the feeling is already there. The way (1st pen) he took time, going back to realign the ball, took with power...ect. doesnt give me the confidence for the 2nd ones and he took it with even more power, that shows that he wasnt 100% believe in himself and try to put power incase the keeper gets it right, it could still go in.

Not blaming him one bit, i said it that pre game, manager should work out the details and decide to have maybe another player to take it incase theres 2 pens in the 90mins. 2 pens with a keeper you dont know is already great pressure not to mention the one you works with everyday and knows the ways you go.
 
Those who are saying that Kane shouldn't have taken the second penalty are just plain wrong. Yes, Lloris trains with him regularly, but so what? Kane is England's best penalty taker. Every goalkeeper does their homework these days and knows which side each taker favours. Besides, he did a perfectly fine job with the first penalty, sending Lloris the wrong way and if you execute it properly then no goalkeeper is saving it regardless. All it came down to was pressure and them's the breaks.
 
cyberman said:
Whoever takes it behind him would have had an easier penalty than Kane had. Kane may be better but he’s taking a second penalty against the team mate who has faced thousands of them in their career together while it being a pressure penalty in itself. That reliability Kane gives you evens out with a lesser pen taker if you factor in that scenario.
I one hundred percent agree Kane should take it but it would have been smarter if he didn’t. It was infinitely harder for Kane than it normally would be. Not only did Kane panic but Lloris read him like a book. Kanes penalty shows he knew Lloris would guess the correct way, if Kane thought this he should have passed it on. He’s trying to score knowing the keeper is diving that way, that’s not a pen anymore, feck knows what it is but it’s not a pen.
I’d also argue Kane had a better first half than second because France blocked off the space between the lines. He got service in the box, he rolled defenders, he did it all in dangerous positions. As soon as France backed off he couldn’t wait to drop deep and when he did he became a non factor. It’s been a huge problem for England for a while now. All Kane seems to score is penalties because he’s never in the box. He hardly ever scores from open play anymore but is about to beat Rooneys record with what? 16/17 penalties? It’s obscene but that’s how Kane plays these days. That isn’t his teammates fault.
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Would love to know where you plucked that gem from. This season he has scored 2 penalties in the league and scored 10 goals in open play so far. Vast majority of his goals are from open play for club and country.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Kane literally just equaled Rooney’s England record whilst their club careers aren’t comparable. Not sure what you’re trying to get at here, you pick Rooneys career at the same age as Kane 10 times out of 10.
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The point he is making is that Kane has been a much better player for England than Rooney was over his career because he has scored and created more at major finals. I don't think many could dispute that.
 
JPRouve said:
Seriously, during the VAR check I was cursing Théo and had already added Kane's goal. There isn't a lot of players that I trust more for penalties or even 1v1 than Kane.
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What nobody is accounting for us that it’s 1v1 against his club colleague goalkeeper. There’s probably a thought that the keeper might get it righty 2nd time.
 
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