Harry Kane | "I will be staying at Tottenham this summer and will be 100% focused on helping the team achieve success."

It's a bit of role reversal of how Liverpool and Arsenal fans must've felt about us from the mid 2000's to early 2010's

Not really true for the early 2010s. We spend more time thinking how the hell did you guys win the league with such a shit squad more than anything else.

The inferiority complex is very much a Man Utd fans thing, in part because most of your fanbase are too used to winning that you don't know how to handle not being on the top anymore.
 
The board know it's too big of an opportunity to miss out on. He is Ruud Van level. We've been lacking a clincial experienced striker for many years, Cavani has shown (but he can't play Wed/Sat matches any more) how important it is. Also if City get him, it's game over.

£100m get it done.


City won the title without him easily perhaps kane type forwards are just not as valuable as people here seem to believe
 
City won the title without him easily perhaps kane type forwards are just not as valuable as people here seem to believe

City don't need Kane to win the title, but that doesn't mean they won't be even better with him.
 
It's not that straightforward as It works both ways. How many of our goals conceded could have been avoided with a proper CB ? How much better would have been with a composed ball playing midfielder?

In football, not all 1 + 1s are 2.

Nothing straightforward in my post. The post has little words but consists of lot of meaning as the post was about understanding the main factor why we fail to win the league or challenging the league this season. The main factor is the draw results we had and 7 of them were 0-0.

So, if we play the exact same methodology and systems as what we have been playing this season but you add Kane in the squad to have a world class striker and proven in the league who offers both creativity and goals and can play week in week out as he is not 34 years old Cavani, that is definitely will help us to solve those 0-0 draws. That makes signing Kane will have less risk of failure than the other alternative as we are signing more proven player and not making too many changes from the current one.

On contrary, if we sign 2-3 regular players, we might need to change the methodology and system of how we play and operate, that would make it higher risk of failure than the one with Kane. For recent example, Chelsea under Lampard.

We might have better chance to win UCL with other alternative but for the league itself, we probably have better chance to win it with Kane. It is all depending on how you use the squad as a group against different kind of opposition teams.
 
What does it matter what City achieved without a striker this season? City's style is different from ours.
 
Who would Kane replaced in the current City's best XI setup?
The striker they've won 4 league titles with??

Ludicrous to think Pep wouldn't work someone like Kane into his XI, he showed he can win without one sure but his greatest sides have had incredibly lethal strikers like Villa, Henry, Aguero, Eto'o, Lewandowski, Messi in the role etc
 
Nothing straightforward in my post. The post has little words but consists of lot of meaning as the post was about understanding the main factor why we fail to win the league or challenging the league this season. The main factor is the draw results we had and 7 of them were 0-0.

So, if we play the exact same methodology and systems as what we have been playing this season but you add Kane in the squad to have a world class striker and proven in the league who offers both creativity and goals and can play week in week out as he is not 34 years old Cavani, that is definitely will help us to solve those 0-0 draws. That makes signing Kane will have less risk of failure than the other alternative as we are signing more proven player and not making too many changes from the current one.

On contrary, if we sign 2-3 regular players, we might need to change the methodology and system of how we play and operate, that would make it higher risk of failure than the one with Kane. For recent example, Chelsea under Lampard.

We might have better chance to win UCL with other alternative but for the league itself, we probably have better chance to win it with Kane. It is all depending on how you use the squad as a group against different kind of opposition teams.
So you think adding Kane to a team that has McFred and Lindelof as starters is going to just instantly go from an inconsistent team to title challengers?
 
The striker they've won 4 league titles with??

Ludicrous to think Pep wouldn't work someone like Kane into his XI, he showed he can win without one sure but his greatest sides have had incredibly lethal strikers like Villa, Henry, Aguero, Eto'o, Lewandowski, Messi in the role etc

That striker isn't on his best XI.
 
Most goals in the league, most assists in the league, and there are some that doubt if we should sign him?

We shall do our outmost best to sign him.
 
So you think adding Kane to a team that has McFred and Lindelof as starters is going to just instantly go from an inconsistent team to title challengers?
7 of 0-0 draws in the league this season with McFred and Lindelof.

Would Kane solve that 0-0 draws problem? Or would new CB and new midfield or DM solve them?
 
7 of 0-0 draws in the league this season with McFred and Lindelof.

Would Kane solve that 0-0 draws problem? Or would new CB and new midfield or DM solve them?
It's easy to pin point at the stats and think one player will magically improve us but it very rarely works that way. You could look at it alternatively and say a new CB and DM add balance to the team that allows our attackers to go all out with more freedom in a more coherent system. Adding Kane to a team with McFred and Lindelof papers over cracks it doesn't fully solve the problem. We'll still have a soft defence, our midfield will still be technically limited players will have to continue to drop deep as a result of it. That won't close the gap on City or increase it on a more settled Liverpool/Chelsea team
 
That striker isn't on his best XI.
Aguero was absolutely in his best XI most of their time together when healthy.

Pep also said this recently



He said he doesn't like putting all the scoring onus on a single player, would never be the case at City anyway, but he'd fancy a top scoring forward
 
7 of 0-0 draws in the league this season with McFred and Lindelof.

Would Kane solve that 0-0 draws problem? Or would new CB and new midfield or DM solve them?


A proper right winger might have solved it allowing Greenwood to play central
 
Kane in this side would instantly propel us to title challengers more so than signing Sancho or a CB/DM. He’s as close to a complete striker as you’ll find in the PL and would anyone bet against him scoring 20 league goals next season?

His movement link up play and finishing are world class. Look at the impact Cavani has had and tell me Kane wouldn’t do better?

He’ll go to City anyway.
 
A proper right winger might have solved it allowing Greenwood to play central
Because Greenwood has shown what in the middle at any level? I get that Greenwood is a great striker of the ball, but its no coincidence that he looks great played out wide and at best average down the middle. There are very few players who move from wide to central, Henry being the exception that instantly comes to mind, but I am not sure Henry could have played on his own up front and been as effective (he would still be good). Greenwood has not played centrally even as a youth player, or at least not for any run, and has always been most effective coming from off the edge of the box.
 
Kane with Guardiola would mean nobody has a chance to win the league for the foreseeable future. Pep just walked the league without playing a main striker, and might be about to win a UCL, league, and league cup treble without a recognized striker. If he gets not just a proper striker but possibly the best striker in England, it's curtains for everyone else.
That's not how football works. Do you remember when Chelsea won back to back titles and got Sheva and Ballack to their already crazy good squad. All thought no one will come close and then with just Saha as our only main addition, we won the league and got to the CL final. That was the first of 3 league titles on the trot for us.
Yeah we don't have SAF anymore at the helm, but the thought remains that not everything in football is as simple as "they are already amazing, getting another good player would mean they are untouchable for the foreseeable future". Even Zlatan didn't have that effect in Barca with Mourinho winning the CL with Inter.
 
A proper right winger might have solved it allowing Greenwood to play central

It shouldn’t be matter of might. Even without signing anyone, we might have solve it with certain condition. It should be a matter of which one will give us better chance to solve our 7 of 0-0 draws, Kane or proper right winger?
 
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It's easy to pin point at the stats and think one player will magically improve us but it very rarely works that way. You could look at it alternatively and say a new CB and DM add balance to the team that allows our attackers to go all out with more freedom in a more coherent system. Adding Kane to a team with McFred and Lindelof papers over cracks it doesn't fully solve the problem. We'll still have a soft defence, our midfield will still be technically limited players will have to continue to drop deep as a result of it. That won't close the gap on City or increase it on a more settled Liverpool/Chelsea team

The original post you replied didn’t pin point at the stats alone. It has deep analysis into it.

You don’t need to solve fully or fully the problems to win the EPL, It’s not like I’m talking about us winning treble or UCL.
 
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The original post you replied didn’t pin point at the stats alone. It has deep analysis into it. You don’t need to solve all or full the problems to win the EPL. It’s not like I’m talking about us winning treble or UCL.
Of course you don't need to solve the full problems but the problems we have in defence and midfield are too big to ignore completely they'll come to haunt us at some point in the season. If Kane came in with at least one of a starting CB or DM you'd have a point but him alone will not make us title winners. His price tag and our owners however means if he came in he'd be our only signing and that would not be a wise decision at all
 
That's not how football works. Do you remember when Chelsea won back to back titles and got Sheva and Ballack to their already crazy good squad. All thought no one will come close and then with just Saha as our only main addition, we won the league and got to the CL final. That was the first of 3 league titles on the trot for us.
Yeah we don't have SAF anymore at the helm, but the thought remains that not everything in football is as simple as "they are already amazing, getting another good player would mean they are untouchable for the foreseeable future". Even Zlatan didn't have that effect in Barca with Mourinho winning the CL with Inter.

That's true. How someone fits plays a big role and team chemistry might be affected in ways people don't anticipate. I suppose you're right.
 
Because Greenwood has shown what in the middle at any level? I get that Greenwood is a great striker of the ball, but its no coincidence that he looks great played out wide and at best average down the middle. There are very few players who move from wide to central, Henry being the exception that instantly comes to mind, but I am not sure Henry could have played on his own up front and been as effective (he would still be good). Greenwood has not played centrally even as a youth player, or at least not for any run, and has always been most effective coming from off the edge of the box.
That's not true in the slightest. Loads of wide forwards make the transition into strikers later in their careers. Henry, Van Persie, even Ronaldo to some degree, David Villa, Eto, Rooney. In fact, I'd argue a larger proportion of strikers started off as wide players than those that started straight as a striker. Greenwood has also played consistently down the middle in the youth sides including as a central striker in his final youth team season where he bagged for fun. The challenge for a young player is learning how to use your body in the man's game against physical centre backs and there are signs that Greenwood is improving in that area. Against Leicester last week was one of his best performances in a central role and he looked every bit the senior player in that team, whilst also scoring a brilliant goal.

Ultimately, we need to get Greenwood into as many shooting positions in a game as possible, because we could be looking at a 20-30 goal a year player. If that is best as a wide forward then no problem, but it's certainly not outlandish to think he might end up playing the striker role to a very high level. The sky is the limit on his potential.
 
Of course you don't need to solve the full problems but the problems we have in defence and midfield are too big to ignore completely they'll come to haunt us at some point in the season. If Kane came in with at least one of a starting CB or DM you'd have a point but him alone will not make us title winners. His price tag and our owners however means if he came in he'd be our only signing and that would not be a wise decision at all

Are those the problems that prevent us to win the league this season? Because I’m not talking about us winning treble or UCL.

Ole’s current tactic and philosophy allows us to work effectively with McFred and Lindelof in approaching each of our league games result in 2nd place in the league. New CB and new DM will provide more risk in failing to challenge or win the league than signing Kane as there is a chance we might need to change the current tactic and philosophy which might not work out.

Signing Kane will not change the current tactic and philosophy as we will still with McFred and Lindelof but instead, we will have a more fit striker who can play week in week out than Cavani, same strength (leadership, movement, work rate, can score header, both feet, outside and inside the box and doesn’t rely on pace) but even better as Kane is more creative in his playmaking than Cavani. This allows us to be better in solving our 7 of 0-0 problems without worry with a risk of getting worse due to changing the current system.

If we sign De Ligt/VVD or prime Rio’s level and Kimmich or prime Keane caliber then I can see them above Kane all day but we are all know the CB and the midfield option in market are not on par with them. Thus, I see Kane as much better option.
 
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Many of those 0-0s were dour games where we struggled to create much. Some games our midfield struggled to retain control, we struggled to find our forward players or maintain any sort of territory.
I feel we still don't create enough chances like the truly top clubs do and blaming the attack alone for it is too easy imo.
 
Many of those 0-0s were dour games where we struggled to create much. Some games our midfield struggled to retain control, we struggled to find our forward players or maintain any sort of territory.
I feel we still don't create enough chances like the truly top clubs do and blaming the attack alone for it is too easy imo.

And Kane is a proven player who can score goals from minimum number of chances.
 
And Kane is a proven player who can score goals from minimum number of chances.
I have not said I don't want Kane. But top clubs don't depend on their striker scoring a lot of goals from minimum number of chances. They create and create. To reach the top, that's the first hurdle we have to cross.
 
I have not said I don't want Kane. But top clubs don't depend on their striker scoring a lot of goals from minimum number of chances. They create and create. To reach the top, that's the first hurdle we have to cross.

We need a better attacking coach.

I don't think midfield signings will change much.
 
I have not said I don't want Kane. But top clubs don't depend on their striker scoring a lot of goals from minimum number of chances. They create and create. To reach the top, that's the first hurdle we have to cross.

I would rather us winning the league than just doing ''create and create''. Kane's ability scoring from minimum number of chances will help us a lot in solving our 7 of 0-0 draws.
 
I would rather us winning the league than just doing ''create and create''. Kane's ability scoring from minimum number of chances will help us a lot in solving our 7 of 0-0 draws.
Lets agree to disagree. I personally think we need a lot more than Kane to bridge the gap with City.