Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

[andersj]

I’m similarly split. I also don’t think it’s just England he often looks mediocre for, I think often for Spurs against good sides he’s shut out of the game. I think the dropping deep is to run away from defenders. It’s been an English saying in the game my whole life that ‘you drop a few yards the older you get’. Whether that’s as a striker or a defender. It’s borne out of an unwillingness to engage.

I also have some concerns about the dynamic between Kane and Bruno. From what I see, Kane wants to stand on Bruno’s toes. And from what I see, Bruno isn’t too keen on the patient link play - he wants to release his man as soon as possible. And I don’t see that he’d be releasing Kane. We’d have a team full of wanna be 10s, including whatever we pit out at RW because Sancho and Antony are not running in behind either all set up trying to spring Rashford. Which is a bit predictable, and also leaves us with no outlet if Rashford can’t play.

The way I see it, there’s no perfect option available. Kane can’t run. Osimhen can’t link. We will have to gamble to some degree. Kane will get us goals, but there will be games where there are questions too, just as there has been with Haaland. I think Kane fits us better if we did not play with a 10 and if we also had a runner on the right. To me, Kane, Sancho/Antony and Bruno are all trying to do the same thing, and the game is all in front of the opposing defenders.

In the game against Barcelona, did not Rashford play in the position/role Oshimen would? And Weghorst in the position Kane would?

I think Rashford could decelop into a good forward in that type of setup. But Kane would be a huge improvement on Weghorst. The way EtH seems to make use of Weghorst, and describe his prefered center forward (when talking about why he likes Martial), makes me think Kane would be his prefered option.

All that being said, I do think that Napoli is as likely to sell Kane as we are to sell Bruno. Or Spurs would be to sell Kane if he had a two year contract.

 

[Chipper]

Fair point. I misread your post.

I think there are players like the ones you do mention though. I also don't know European markets very well, but from the premier League there's Mitrovic and Toney that could potentially have an impact like most of your examples - maybe not van Nistelrooy or Cole.

Part of the problem with premier League signings is those clubs now have a lot more money to resist the advances of the bigger clubs, but similar players will be out there.

Sorry for being a bit of a twat there.

Martial would be the opposite of what I was saying in a way. We snapped him up younger than that and with not much experience. If he had worked out as hoped then it's other clubs who'd be looking at us, wishing they'd have pounced on him themselves knowing that he'd cost a ridiculous amount to buy him from us.

I think clubs buy 21-year old and under players a bit more often than they used to, even from the 90s and early 2000s. They can obviously save themselves a lot of money in the long-run if they get it right.

I just don't watch enough football these days to pick out names. Literally just looked at the list of La Liga top scorers and they're all older. From the Bundesliga Nkunku at Leipzig would fit the age and exposure level I was thinking of but I don't know him as a player so I'm not about to start recommending him and he's supposedly Chelsea-bound anyway!

Edit: Maybe someone like Jonathon David from Lille. Has 3 years of good goal-scoring from behind him and is still quite young at 23, but again I don't know him at all as player. Fits that kind of profile though.

 

[Globule]

In the game against Barcelona, did not Rashford play in the position/role Oshimen would? And Weghorst in the position Kane would?

I think Rashford could decelop into a good forward in that type of setup. But Kane would be a huge improvement on Weghorst. The way EtH seems to make use of Weghorst, and describe his prefered center forward (when talking about why he likes Martial), makes me think Kane would be his prefered option.

All that being said, I do think that Napoli is as likely to sell Kane as we are to sell Bruno. Or Spurs would be to sell Kane if he had a two year contract.

I don't think Napoli would hesitate to sell us Kane.

 

[Devil81]

If we're spending oil money give me Kane, we can replace him without the financial worry we'd previously had.

If we were still looking at sell on value or years of service I wouldn't be inclined to go for him.

 

[Cloud7]

My biggest worry with Kane and the overall impact on our team is that I feel like our team is too one paced at this point. Outside of Rashford, all our other major attackers are not very quick (Bruno/Sancho/Antony)

Most of the very best teams have often had at least two players who, outside of their technical ability etc., have had at least two attackers who can threaten the opposition with raw speed

 

[Bebestation]

My biggest worry with Kane and the overall impact on our team is that I feel like our team is too one paced at this point. Outside of Rashford, all our other major attackers are not very quick (Bruno/Sancho/Antony)

Most of the very best teams have often had at least two players who, outside of their technical ability etc., have had at least two attackers who can threaten the opposition with raw speed

I think Garanacho & Amad will sort it out imo. Also if the bad guy returns to play RW then our need for a link up striker increases because we then have 4 wide goalscorers (& 2 wde creators in sancho/antony)but lets worry about that later.

 

[Litch]

I think he'll be wearing a utd shirt next season....

 

[Rozay]

In the game against Barcelona, did not Rashford play in the position/role Oshimen would? And Weghorst in the position Kane would?

I think Rashford could decelop into a good forward in that type of setup. But Kane would be a huge improvement on Weghorst. The way EtH seems to make use of Weghorst, and describe his prefered center forward (when talking about why he likes Martial), makes me think Kane would be his prefered option.

All that being said, I do think that Napoli is as likely to sell Kane as we are to sell Bruno. Or Spurs would be to sell Kane if he had a two year contract.

Weghorst basically played in midfield against Barcelona. I’m not sure that is what we are looking for. Under the most normal of circumstances, Fernandes would have played where Weghorst did and be done with it. We don’t need Kane for that role.

 

[andersj]

Weghorst basically played in midfield against Barcelona. I’m not sure that is what we are looking for. Under the most normal of circumstances, Fernandes would have played where Weghorst did and be done with it. We don’t need Kane for that role.

Maybe where Fernandes would have played, but his function was different!

 

[El Jefe]

The 'Weghorst role' was more about what he could do off the ball. Kane can barely move unless the ball comes to his feet, teams would cut us open with ease. Imagine Kane trying to follow FDJ or Pedri

A perfect like for like is Toney. He has incredible hold up play, wins aerial duels but more importantly works his socks off when his team doesn't have possession. Kane is better than Toney we all know that but Toney would be a far better fit. He's more mobile and is much more of a handful for top defenders than Kane. I emphasise again top defenders.

Not in favour off Kane at all to be honest.

 

[Rozay]

Maybe where Fernandes would have played, but his function was different!

As mentioned, Weghorst was there to press, and Kane can’t move. Barcelona would have bypassed him with Frenkie and Pedri all night.

 

[Huddsred]

And that’s exactly how he’s got his 267 Premier League goals?

And what does he have to show for it?

 

[Huddsred]

This is such an insanely ridiculous take, you do know that, right? Every metric available supports Kane being one of the best strikers in the world.

We have one of the best strikers in the world in Rashford. Kane is anonymous in too many games and doesn't have a winning mentality. Robbie Savage has won more silverware than Kane.

 

[Varun]

And what does he have to show for it?

Makes sense. We should get Sterling instead

 

[Varun]

We have one of the best strikers in the world in Rashford. Kane is anonymous in too many games and doesn't have a winning mentality. Robbie Savage has won more silverware than Kane.

Why settle for Rashford who has 0 league titles? Sell him and get Vardy instead

 

[Huddsred]

Why settle for Rashford who has 0 league titles? Sell him and get Vardy instead

Because Rashford is five years younger than Kane and is just coming into his prime. Both Rashford and Vardy have actually won silverware btw.

 

[Huddsred]

Makes sense. We should get Sterling instead

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

This whole Rashford as striker campaign is rubbish. Play him in his best position on the left and get Kane

 

[rajds89]

A front three of Sancho - Kane - Rashford.. I’m all for it.

 

[andersj]

This whole Rashford as striker campaign is rubbish. Play him in his best position on the left and get Kane

I would be inclined to agree, but four of his most impressive games this season has been against Arsenal (home), Liverpool, Spurs and Barcelona. All as a center forward.

 

[Bwuk]

A front three of Sancho - Kane - Rashford.. I’m all for it.

I'd be worried at the lack of pace running in behind. We'd be totally reliant on Rashford in that regard.

 

[Pexbo]

The 'Weghorst role' was more about what he could do off the ball. Kane can barely move unless the ball comes to his feet, teams would cut us open with ease. Imagine Kane trying to follow FDJ or Pedri

A perfect like for like is Toney. He has incredible hold up play, wins aerial duels but more importantly works his socks off when his team doesn't have possession. Kane is better than Toney we all know that but Toney would be a far better fit. He's more mobile and is much more of a handful for top defenders than Kane. I emphasise again top defenders.

Not in favour off Kane at all to be honest.

Kane doesn’t press as constantly as Weghorst but he offers so much more off the ball. He’s world class at hold up and build up play.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

I would be inclined to agree, but four of his most impressive games this season has been against Arsenal (home), Liverpool, Spurs and Barcelona. All as a center forward.

Its a small sample size. He needs to be tested more.

 

[Rozay]

A front three of Sancho - Kane - Rashford.. I’m all for it.

Sancho would be fortunate to still be a United player next season.

 

[rajds89]

I'd be worried at the lack of pace running in behind. We'd be totally reliant on Rashford in that regard.

Rashford running in behind with his pace, Kane dropping deep to create the space or getting on the end of a Sancho cross. It works in my head at least

Sancho would be fortunate to still be a United player next season.

I’d be surprised and actually annoyed if we gave up on him after just two seasons.

 

[Rozay]

Rashford running in behind with his pace, Kane dropping deep to create the space or getting on the end of a Sancho cross. It works in my head at least




I’d be surprised and actually annoyed if we gave up on him after just two seasons.

It’s 40% of his contract with us already completed. What portion of it is reasonable to actually expect a contribution?

And these things are not scientific anyway. You persist based on what you see. There’s no sufficient encouragement in my eyes, so it would just be a case of blindly hoping time would fix everything IMO.

 

[Lecland07]

I’m similarly split. I also don’t think it’s just England he often looks mediocre for, I think often for Spurs against good sides he’s shut out of the game. I think the dropping deep is to run away from defenders. It’s been an English saying in the game my whole life that ‘you drop a few yards the older you get’. Whether that’s as a striker or a defender. It’s borne out of an unwillingness to engage.

I also have some concerns about the dynamic between Kane and Bruno. From what I see, Kane wants to stand on Bruno’s toes. And from what I see, Bruno isn’t too keen on the patient link play - he wants to release his man as soon as possible. And I don’t see that he’d be releasing Kane. We’d have a team full of wanna be 10s, including whatever we pit out at RW because Sancho and Antony are not running in behind either all set up trying to spring Rashford. Which is a bit predictable, and also leaves us with no outlet if Rashford can’t play.

The way I see it, there’s no perfect option available. Kane can’t run. Osimhen can’t link. We will have to gamble to some degree. Kane will get us goals, but there will be games where there are questions too, just as there has been with Haaland. I think Kane fits us better if we did not play with a 10 and if we also had a runner on the right. To me, Kane, Sancho/Antony and Bruno are all trying to do the same thing, and the game is all in front of the opposing defenders.

I don't think so. There is something people always miss about the teams that Kane plays in: neither of them play anyone in the attacking midfield role; they use Kane as both the number 9 and the number 10. He hasn't played with an attacking midfielder since Eriksen left Tottenham.

He has no choice to drop deep for England and Tottenham because there is nobody to link attack to midfield.

 

[adexkola]

I would be inclined to agree, but four of his most impressive games this season has been against Arsenal (home), Liverpool, Spurs and Barcelona. All as a center forward.

I don't see why he could pull any of those performances our starting from wide. Imagine him and Kane linking up. Not to mention Bruno in the mix.

 

[Bebestation]

I can totally see why lots of fans dont want him - but i do feel sorry about being managed by mourinho,conte & southgate. If ten hag wants him for his system then i do think he can play better, but i can also see if ten hag doesnt. 50/50. His managers seem outdated.

 

[Lash]

I can totally see why lots of fans dont want him - but i do feel sorry about being managed by mourinho,conte & southgate. If ten hag wants him for his system then i do think he can play better, but i can also see if ten hag doesnt. 50/50. His managers seem outdated.

Can you see how he just doesn't fit in our current side though? He would be replacing weghorst and doesn't do the stuff weghorst does to make us better. If we didn't have Rashford and Bruno, it makes sense. But we do.

 

[charlenefan]

Can you see how he just doesn't fit in our current side though? He would be replacing weghorst and doesn't do the stuff weghorst does to make us better. If we didn't have Rashford and Bruno, it makes sense. But we do.

I didn't see much of Haller at Ajax but did Haller do what Weghorst is?

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Can you see how he just doesn't fit in our current side though? He would be replacing weghorst and doesn't do the stuff weghorst does to make us better. If we didn't have Rashford and Bruno, it makes sense. But we do.

Please don’t make Wout fecking Weghorst the standard of what we look for from strikers. He’s terrible but tries hard

 

[Bebestation]

Good assist.

 

[Lash]

I didn't see much of Haller at Ajax but did Haller do what Weghorst is?

I wouldn't be a good authority on it, but I remember watching him for Frankfurt with Jovic and I think the Haller I saw there would be perfect.

Please don’t make Wout fecking Weghorst the standard of what we look for from strikers. He’s terrible but tries hard

I'm not, but his qualities are obvious since he's joined - as are his shortcomings. You can't honestly say we don't look better as a team with him in it, can you?

 

[Lux Thunder]

Can you see how he just doesn't fit in our current side though? He would be replacing weghorst and doesn't do the stuff weghorst does to make us better. If we didn't have Rashford and Bruno, it makes sense. But we do.

If you think that Kane's style and dropping deep in build-up will cause us a problem, I think the complete opposite.

For example, in our 2-3-2-3/3-2-2-3 shape, if someone with his quality drops and opponent's RCB decides to follow it will open a lot of space both wide for Shaw to overlap (if RB goes narrow) or for Rashford to exploit half-space from LW position with his trademark diagonal runs.

On the other side, if the same thing happens, with Antony holding width there would be space open for our no.10 (Sancho or Bruno) to attack the right half-space or for Dalot/AWB to make an underlapping run.

If none of the opponent's defenders commits, we will still have a nice numerical superiority in the middle of the park with an extra player who is also very creative.

I think with Kane it will be more asymmetric shape than the current one but will help our best players like Bruno, Rashford and Shaw to flourish even more.

 

[ROFLUTION]

If you think that Kane's style and dropping deep in build-up will cause us a problem, I think the complete opposite.

For example, in our 2-3-2-3/3-2-2-3 shape, if someone with his quality drops and opponent's RCB decides to follow it will open a lot of space both wide for Shaw to overlap (if RB goes narrow) or for Rashford to exploit half-space from LW position with his trademark diagonal runs.

On the other side, if the same thing happens, with Antony holding width there would be space open for our no.10 (Sancho or Bruno) to attack the right half-space or for Dalot/AWB to make an underlapping run.

If none of the opponent's defenders commits, we will still have a nice numerical superiority in the middle of the park with an extra player who is also very creative.

I think with Kane it will be more asymmetric shape than the current one but will help our best players like Bruno, Rashford and Shaw to flourish even more.

I agree. Kane’s pass to Son today (and numerous times) is what’ll probably happen but with Rashford.

Kane’s always involved and his football IQ is one of the best in the World. Put a clever player next to Bruno/Rashford/Eriksen and you’ll have one hell of a partnership imo regardless of nerdy tactics. He’ll be good for many years.

 

[Lash]

If you think that Kane's style and dropping deep in build-up will cause us a problem, I think the complete opposite.

For example, in our 2-3-2-3/3-2-2-3 shape, if someone with his quality drops and opponent's RCB decides to follow it will open a lot of space both wide for Shaw to overlap (if RB goes narrow) or for Rashford to exploit half-space from LW position with his trademark diagonal runs.

On the other side, if the same thing happens, with Antony holding width there would be space open for our no.10 (Sancho or Bruno) to attack the right half-space or for Dalot/AWB to make an underlapping run.

If none of the opponent's defenders commits, we will still have a nice numerical superiority in the middle of the park with an extra player who is also very creative.

I think with Kane it will be more asymmetric shape than the current one but will help our best players like Bruno, Rashford and Shaw to flourish even more.

That part I think he'll do much better than Weghorst, but he will not press in the same way.

One thing I can't stand about Kane is when he does drop deep, he is never making it to the box after doing that. The ground Weghorst covers is fecking impressive for his size and will start counters from his pressing, even in our half and then hit the box too.

I'm not doubting Kane's obvious qualities, I'm just not convinced in the current set up he works. I think he lacks attributes in a player Ten Hag wants from his forward and will be horrendous long term value.

 

[ROFLUTION]

We have one of the best strikers in the world in Rashford. Kane is anonymous in too many games and doesn't have a winning mentality. Robbie Savage has won more silverware than Kane.

Havent been watching Kane at all have you?

He’s involving and affecting every game he plays basically. He’s either assisted or scored in 18 out of 24 games in the league. Thats called being great consistenly. Same amount of games affected as Haaland actually. (6 blanks without scoring/assisting too).

Kane: 17 goals, 6 assists in 24 premier league games (stats taken from fantasy football). Rashford who we all think is having a great season is on 14+4

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I wouldn't be a good authority on it, but I remember watching him for Frankfurt with Jovic and I think the Haller I saw there would be perfect.

I'm not, but his qualities are obvious since he's joined - as are his shortcomings. You can't honestly say we don't look better as a team with him in it, can you?

We look comfortably worse with him in the team compared to Martial when fit. We had to sub him off both times against Leeds to score. His only quality is he works his socks off and links play decently well.

He can’t finish well. Can’t win headers, can’t dribble or turn with the ball, is brutally slow, and isn’t great technically.

 

[Lash]

We look comfortably worse with him in the team compared to Martial when fit. We had to sub him off both times against Leeds to score. His only quality is he works his socks off and links play decently well.

He can’t finish well. Can’t win headers, can’t dribble or turn with the ball, is brutally slow, and isn’t great technically.

Well yeah, I'd obviously prefer Martial, but that is a complete rarity at this point. I actually prefer to have someone working their socks off and linking play well than Martial though.

I am not doubting he can't finish or dribble with the ball, but overall he keeps us higher up the pitch in possession, begins our pressing and effectively presses the whole last third of the pitch. Those are the pre requisites for our next striker should have and are non negotiable in my opinion. No one is saying he's the standard, he's the baseline.