He was POTY last year and in 2021 IMO and didn't get either. What he did for Spurs last year was far more impressive than what Haaland did at City. feck the records, scoring 30 goals for a team who could barely win a game is far more impressive.
Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player
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Yeah, was a great individual season, but was hardy ever mentioned.
So, I have my doubts he will land above the likes of Bellingham and Mbappe for Ballon Dor, even if playing at their level.
It all rests on how far Bayern get in the CL. And there is a lot of dysfunction in this Bayern team and in Tuchel, and despite that Kane is still scoring like mad, so yeah it could just end up Bellingham's if Tuchel's Bayern combust (as they seem ready to do) and go out early in CL.
Still half of the season left. Balon d or predictions are way off the mark.
Nah, I admire kane but unless he pulls a Ronaldo in the world cup(the Brazilian one) or goes on to dominate Europe with bayern for the immediate future the resume is just not there compared to say a Rooney .
Those two are gone so it might not be entirely dependent on a cl win if he puts up ridiculous goal numbers.
I adore Rooney. He was my hero growing up. But for me there is no doubt Wayne Rooney is football's biggest what if. He could have been up there with the greatest of all time. Instead, he drank all his career, limited the ceiling of his talents, and still ended up all time England top scorer (scoring, lets be honest, against minnows all his career, never in the big games bar one Uruguay goal) and all time Utd top scorer.
For me, Kane had way less talent than Rooney but has more than maximised what he had, and in doing so has surpassed peak Rooney.
yeah. especially with the numbers ronaldo is putting up in qatar.
Yeah, and messi is still breathing.
Kane has more technical skill and tactical intelligence than Rooney(no, I'm not saying the latter was poor at these things ffs). It's obviously debatable, but for me these things are much more relevant to measure "football talent" than any physical advantage Rooney had.
Well it depends on how you classify 'best' if you are going off trophies, what has he won? If football is not about winning things what is it about?
On the other hand if you are talking individual greatness then by every metric for a striker that exists Kane is world class, and stat wise up there with the very best to ever play, just played for a team well below his level for the majority of his career.
For the Rooney vs Kane debate it has to be Rooney, he is a CL winner on top of what? 5 times English champions trophy? Kane has won absolutely nothing of note. But if you are talking about who I would want leading my line as an out and out striker, Kane all day. Be interesting where he ends up in the all time debate once he hangs up his boots, still feel he has a few more years in him yet. Plenty of time to hoover up some trophies at Bayern.
Tactically there may be a debate but technically no, Rooney was better
Kane is an absolute quality player and I am still fuming we didn't just blow most the budget on him than most of the wastes we have this summer but I don't think technically he is better than Rooney.
Also Kane to me is very much a player who worked fecking hard to get where he is and it paid off, Rooney from the age of 15 was hyped, hardly anybody knew Kane existed till 22 and before that wasn't lighting up anything
Imagine how few goals he'd have scored had he joined us!
England will win the Euros and that would seal it for him.
Even if that happens, if Bellingham should carry that England team and do more in the CL, he has a better chance than Kane.
I just feel like it's lined up for him. An Englishman playing for Bayern leading England to the Euros in Germany...whilst winning the CL and Bundesliga.
To think we really wanted Kane, Bellingham, Haaland…
All will be fighting it out for the next Balon D’or. While the players we did manage to sign turned out like Antony.
All will be fighting it out for the next Balon D’or. While the players we did manage to sign turned out like Antony.
I know for Germans the English rivalry isn't that big, but that is still blasphemous.
He should get the Maradona Italia 90 treatment when they play in Munich
But knowing Germans they'll be too nice to him and actually cheer him.When judging individual players you should focus solely on their performances not what there teams won, saying that not sure if Kane is best English player since Charlton but he’s pretty close
Most Germans I know are so fed up with DFB(and DFL, Uefa/Fifa) that they wouldn't mind. Austria/Netherlands winning it in Germany would be a problem thoughI know for Germans the English rivalry isn't that big, but that is still blasphemous.
He should get the Maradona Italia 90 treatment when they play in Munich
Brexit FC goofball players, we'd have hired Sean Dyche soon after and made Boris Johnson manager. Biffwaff
Would it really? I don't care about Austria and I actually like the Dutch. But that might just be because I am so often there...Most Germans I know are so fed up with DFB(and DFL, Uefa/Fifa) that they wouldn't mind. Austria/Netherlands winning it in Germany would be a problem though
Might depend where the German one asks lives. But generally I don't hear them talking about the English team at all (not that I've overheard long discussions about the Austrians either). Generally Bellingham, Kane, Sancho have been / are good ambassadors for the three lions though, I guess their respective former clubs fans wouldn't mind it all.
Truly a shame he waited so long before moving to another club and his trophy cabinet will never match his talent. But better late than never.
We had zero chance of getting him. Time to let go.
His quality of goals are being hidden away like Mbappe’s are for PSG
He's on target for a 50+ goal season, but is anyone really surprised?
Well, considering technique as everything that involves touching or hitting the ball, I can't see how Rooney is better than Kane. The latter has a better shot, better passing skills, better touch and better ball manipulation in tight spaces. Rooney was better at ball carrying, but it's more related to him having more pace and agility(his touches when moving with ball were frequently sloppy and compensated with sheer power).
I think they're quite close technically and it's an either or situation. I think what Rooney had that Kane never has is that excitement and feeling attached to him as a player. It's quite fitting that he's at Bayern because he fits the stereotype which is hurled at German players of being an efficient player, a bit boring sometimes but world class.
I've always said, the litmus test for the great legendary strikers is to come to Chelsea and see if they can score 20-25 goals per season in our team. I said it about Lewandowski in his prime, Kane and Haaland.
Until any of them bother trying this, Diego Costa is better than them all.
Saw this thread pop to the top of the news feed and knew it would be full of people lamenting his success and what could have been
At the end of the day, even if he had come here I don't think it would have resolved our issues this season. If anything, I could imagine him getting injured due to our bizarre injury issues this year and having played very few games and everyone here calling him a waste of money!
Hypotheticals aside, it's good to see him performing well abroad and getting the plaudits/proving the doubters wrong.
Good player who would have been a prime Fergie signing but just don't think it was ever realistic this summer.
At the end of the day, even if he had come here I don't think it would have resolved our issues this season. If anything, I could imagine him getting injured due to our bizarre injury issues this year and having played very few games and everyone here calling him a waste of money!
Hypotheticals aside, it's good to see him performing well abroad and getting the plaudits/proving the doubters wrong.
Good player who would have been a prime Fergie signing but just don't think it was ever realistic this summer.
So now we have 'Can he do it on multiple cold windy nights at Stanford Bridge'?
Yes, correct. Banging them for fun in free flowing Bayern and City teams is easy if you're a good striker. If you can do the same at Chelsea, where so many others have failed, makes you truly great and you automatically go on WeePat's GOAT list, which let's be honest, is more prestigious than the rigged Ballon d'Or and PFA awards
Well they seem no worse without him.
Yes, correct. Banging them for fun in free flowing Bayern and City teams is easy if you're a good striker. If you can do the same at Chelsea, where so many others have failed, makes you truly great and you automatically go on WeePat's GOAT list, which let's be honest, is more prestigious than the rigged Ballon d'Or and PFA awards
How about averaging 30 goals a season for Spurs over nine years, in a team that finished everywhere between 2nd and 8th in the league?
They had Defoe, Berbatov, Keane, Adebayor all varying degrees of good before Kane emerged. Even someone like Pavlyuchenko produced reasonably well for them. They're not known for being the graveyard for strikers. Chelsea are and that was my (facetious) point.
Glad he is doing so well, you could argue the quality each week is a slight step down from the Premier League but he still has to go out there and produce!
Credit to him, he has made it look very easy.
Credit to him, he has made it look very easy.
What I have seen over the years, the G column generally trumps everything else. With the numbers Kane is putting up, and if England win the Euros (which I think they'll), he would win it by a margin.
Bellingham could end up as CL topscorer
When you consider Chupo Moting can hit 10 league goals for Bayern and Harry Kane is infinitely better than him, it's not a surprise at all.
To be fair, physical gifts are very important in football, especially as a forward.
Technical and tactical/mental attributes are more important overall, but to be truly elite, you do need physical advantages as well.
Heck, Messi, a guy mostly known for his technical excellence, was an acceleration-freak, with excellent balance and agility.