Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

Semper Fudge said:
Not sure what the relevance of this is?
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Kane has 4 goals and 2 assists in this CL group which sees the current 6th of the PL being last. Comparing league strength by performances of individual players is always difficult because there are a lot more factors than just which league a player plays in, so the CL group indicates that Kane's amazing run isn't just because of the strength (or weakness) of the BL but simply because he is an excellent striker who gets excellent service at the moment.
 
Wiesenlooser said:
Aren't you behind Copenhagen and Galatasaray in the CL group?
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We're having our worst start to the league in about 60 years, safe to say, it's not going well for us, but that doesn't mean the German league isn't shite.

Maybe if our league was as weak as the German league we'd still finish 2nd despite this fact.
 
stefan92 said:
Kane has 4 goals and 2 assists in this CL group which sees the current 6th of the PL being last. Comparing league strength by performances of individual players is always difficult because there are a lot more factors than just which league a player plays in, so the CL group indicates that Kane's amazing run isn't just because of the strength (or weakness) of the BL but simply because he is an excellent striker who gets excellent service at the moment.
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Its the 6th place team in the PL thats last not the champions.
 
kane is the perfect blend of experience, talent and desire, playing in the best 11 he’s played in during his career, no wonder he’s smashing all in his path.
 
crossy1686 said:
We're having our worst start to the league in about 60 years, safe to say, it's not going well for us, but that doesn't mean the German league isn't shite.

Maybe if our league was as weak as the German league we'd still finish 2nd despite this fact.
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It's weaker than the PL for sure, but that doesn't mean that it's shite. So far in Europe the PL has to catch up to the BL: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/ccoef2024.html (I expect they will, but still this is not the performace of a league that's shite what we see so far from the German clubs)
 
stefan92 said:
It's weaker than the PL for sure, but that doesn't mean that it's shite. So far in Europe the PL has to catch up to the BL: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/ccoef2024.html (I expect they will, but still this is not the performace of a league that's shite what we see so far from the German clubs)
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You're using the coefficients from 5 games played in European competitions to prove the strength of a league? Why not look at the last 5 years as a whole (https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2024.html) to see that Germany is very far behind the likes of England and Spain, and they're only holding 4th place because Bayern do a lot of heavy lifting for the entire league.
 
Bayern fans correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Bayern team not even that good/functional yet compared to previous years? We will see how they fare in business end of CL but I thought Tuchel had been struggling pre Kane. Maybe all is rosy now they have him.
 
crossy1686 said:
We're having our worst start to the league in about 60 years, safe to say, it's not going well for us, but that doesn't mean the German league isn't shite.

Maybe if our league was as weak as the German league we'd still finish 2nd despite this fact.
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We wouldn’t. We are comfortably worse than Bayern, Leverkusen, Dortmund and Leipzig and would struggle against Stuttgart. We would be 5th or 6th best team in Bundesliga as well.
 
crossy1686 said:
You're using the coefficients from 5 games played in European competitions to prove the strength of a league? Why not look at the last 5 years as a whole (https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2024.html) to see that Germany is very far behind the likes of England and Spain, and they're only holding 4th place because Bayern do a lot of heavy lifting for the entire league.
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Should have added more context probably... We currently have the strongest first half and weakest second half of the league ever (after these matches). Meaning the BL has quite a few of currently strong teams (which is also proven by the European results of these teams) and several teams that are truly horrible. The better BL teams currently are not much worse - if at all - than their PL equivalents, but if we look at the rest of the teams there definitely is a huge difference which is the whole reason why there is a gap in quality between the leagues at the moment.

And I did use only this seasons stats because this is the Harry Kane thread so only this season is relevant for his performances. He didn't play in the BL five years ago, he does now.
 
rimaldo said:
kane is the perfect blend of experience, talent and desire, playing in the best 11 he’s played in during his career, no wonder he’s smashing all in his path.
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A bit different having the world class Bayern squad around him rather than the clowns in the Spurs team.
 
People talk like it's easier to score in Germany when in reality you get 4 extra games to score a season in England!
 
DJ Jeff said:
They do now, but Kane scoring 30 last season in the league for that disaster of a Spurs team is probably the greatest scoring feat in the history of the league. Though I think Kevin Phillips got 30 for Sunderland so maybe not!
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I'm always skeptical of this way of thinking, too often do teams do better or score more without their star goal scorer.
 
Hammondo said:
I'm always skeptical of this way of thinking, too often do teams do better or score more without their star goal scorer.
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I can't really think of many examples of that. Liverpool fell to pieces without Suarez. Chelsea were shit for a few years after Costa. Maybe City post Aguero, but its City under Pep they're going to win no matter what. Spurs are doing alright now but lets see where they are at the end of the season. I suppose Arsenal did better after Aubameyang but I think a peak Aubameyang still walks into their current team which has everything except a striker.
 
Sarni said:
We wouldn’t. We are comfortably worse than Bayern, Leverkusen, Dortmund and Leipzig and would struggle against Stuttgart. We would be 5th or 6th best team in Bundesliga as well.
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This cannot be since the BL is turd and Bayern gets all their players for free from their domestic "competitors".
 
DJ Jeff said:
I can't really think of many examples of that. Liverpool fell to pieces without Suarez. Chelsea were shit for a few years after Costa. Maybe City post Aguero, but its City under Pep they're going to win no matter what. Spurs are doing alright now but lets see where they are at the end of the season. I suppose Arsenal did better after Aubameyang but I think a peak Aubameyang still walks into their current team which has everything except a striker.
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City scored less goals with Haaland, we scored more without Ronaldo. I remember a season where Rooney was injured for a decent period, I think over Christmas, and we scored more per game without him than with him and got more points. That's off the top of my head, there are going to be plenty of examples.
 
VP89 said:
Two injuries to their side and they looked a championship side vs Wolves.
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And the suspensions of Romero and Udogie on top of those injuries. It meant the team looked a lot like Conte ball, just without Kane to bail them out.
 
crossy1686 said:
You're using the coefficients from 5 games played in European competitions to prove the strength of a league? Why not look at the last 5 years as a whole (https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2024.html) to see that Germany is very far behind the likes of England and Spain, and they're only holding 4th place because Bayern do a lot of heavy lifting for the entire league.
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Sure bro. That's a 20 point gap between Bundesliga and Netherlands, but only 4 point difference between LaLiga and Bundesliga. The way you are representing the statistics is quite foolish. Saying the Bundesliga is trash is just ridiculous. Honestly, I don't even see United beating Leverkusen at the moment.
 
Wiesenlooser said:
Sure bro. That's a 20 point gap between Bundesliga and Netherlands, but only 4 point difference between LaLiga and Bundesliga. The way you are representing the statistics is quite foolish. Saying the Bundesliga is trash is just ridiculous. Honestly, I don't even see United beating Leverkusen at the moment.
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Current United is not beating Bayer, Leverkusen, Leipzig, Stuttgart or Dortmund to be honest.
 
Wiesenlooser said:
Sure bro. That's a 20 point gap between Bundesliga and Netherlands, but only 4 point difference between LaLiga and Bundesliga. The way you are representing the statistics is quite foolish. Saying the Bundesliga is trash is just ridiculous. Honestly, I don't even see United beating Leverkusen at the moment.
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You and me both, I'm surprised we beat Luton last weekend, but that doesn't change the fact the Bundesliga is a massively inferior league to the rest of the European leagues. Take Bayern out of the league and you're no better than the Dutch league.
 
crossy1686 said:
You and me both, I'm surprised we beat Luton last weekend, but that doesn't change the fact the Bundesliga is a massively inferior league to the rest of the European leagues. Take Bayern out of the league and you're no better than the Dutch league.
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If I remember correctly Bundesliga sides have been regularly beating La Liga teams, outside of Real Madrid, in the previous few seasons.

To say the BL is far behind the La Liga is ridiculous. EPL is ahead of everyone but the other leagues are very close to one another, if not the same.
 
Acrobat7 said:
This cannot be since the BL is turd and Bayern gets all their players for free from their domestic "competitors".
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Bundesliga is a decent league. Great stadiums, great fans, good scouting, teams tend to be well organized and there’s plenty of competition across the league. I like how being a badly run organization gets punished and you have clubs like Hamburg or Schalke struggling to get back to the top division because there are just so many better run teams around them, and a team like Hertha getting relegated. This almost never happens in England because the big boys just buy their way out of trouble.

I notoriously cringe at the disdain English fans show for other leagues. Yes, PL has infinitely more money and is a stronger league overall but it’s not like Luton and Burnley would be so much harder to beat than Union Berlin or Koln.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
If I remember correctly Bundesliga sides have been regularly beating La Liga teams, outside of Real Madrid, in the previous few seasons.

To say the BL is far behind the La Liga is ridiculous. EPL is ahead of everyone but the other leagues are very close to one another, if not the same.
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So a team can beat another team in a one off cup competition and that means the league is better or just as good?

This is what I mean, you guys are so out of touch with what a competitive league looks like you think beating another team once means your league is a high quality. In England, and sometimes Spain, it’s common for lower ranked teams to beat big teams in cup competitions. Does that mean League 1 is better than the PL? No, it does not.

When you play a game that is lacking intensity and any form of competitive nature at the weekend you can go all out in a midweek game against serious opposition.
 
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