Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

Howl said:
Yeah the Rooney example is a very strange one to give as there are zero similarities between them. Rooney was never known to take care of himself and as such peaked at around 24. Kane on the other hand from what I've seen seems like the consummate professional who's game has never relied on pace or physical ability, which indicates he will be an Ibrahimovic rather than an Owen or similar players who declined with their physical abilities.
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Its not at all obvious that strikers who "don't rely on pace" last longer. Every footballer still has to be quick enough to get around the pitch and beat opponents to the ball or to certain zones. Losing a step hurts everybody, no matter how quick you are to start. The most successful PL striker in his 30s of the last decade was Jamie Vardy, who relied heavily on pace.

The number of truly elite seasons by a PL forward age 32 and up in the last 20 years can be counted on one hand, probably with fingers left over. It is a really unforgiving league for aging players, no matter your profile in your prime (ie, skilled, pacy, physical, etc).
 
LordSpud said:
Mount and Onana together was £100m, we've £70m left from the supposed transfer fund the Glazers have pulled out of their arses. So if we can sell McTominay, Fred, Maguire, and a few others we should be able to scrape a chunk for both Kane and Amrabat
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Can they add some more from minority arses to get to the finish line?

As some have said before, the worst case scenario is him signing for another club so if Bayern have an offer it could be good business to try to either get him or sink the deal in order to go back for him in January or when he runs down his contract.
 
Powderfinger said:
Its not at all obvious that strikers who "don't rely on pace" last longer. Every footballer still has to be quick enough to get around the pitch and beat opponents to the ball or to certain zones. Losing a step hurts everybody, no matter how quick you are to start. The most successful PL striker in his 30s of the last decade was Jamie Vardy, who relied heavily on pace.

The number of truly elite seasons by a PL forward age 32 and up in the last 20 years can be counted on one hand, probably with fingers left over. It is a really unforgiving league for aging players, no matter your profile in your prime (ie, skilled, pacy, physical, etc).
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I never said obvious, I said indicates which is not the same thing. Also, there's a big difference between someone who relies on pace ie. Michael Owen, and a walking corpse. Kane, while not relying on pace, still isn't some kind of mummy but as he has never relied on pace to shake a marker he should be able to adapt to losing a step. There has also been far more over 30 strikers who have done well in the last decade than just Vardy. Defoe scored 15 goals two seasons in a row at 34/35, Ibrahimovic scored 17 for us before he did his knee, Ronaldo scored 18, Antonio for West Ham has been good even at 33 among others. Obviously no one can predict the future, he could rupture an achilles tomorrow walking down the stairs. However, there are positive indicators which can assist in making a judgement call in whether someone is going to age gracefully or fall off the face of the earth. He's not got a stocky build so is quite lanky (he's not going to struggle due to weight), never been particularly quick (has had to rely on technical side of the game), has playmaking abilities (can move into other roles, assist team in other ways) etc., all of which suggest he's more similar to a Benzema, or Ibrahimovic than Owen or Rooney.
 
Howl said:
I never said obvious, I said indicates which is not the same thing. Also, there's a big difference between someone who relies on pace ie. Michael Owen, and a walking corpse. Kane, while not relying on pace, still isn't some kind of mummy but as he has never relied on pace to shake a marker he should be able to adapt to losing a step. There has also been far more over 30 strikers who have done well in the last decade than just Vardy. Defoe scored 15 goals two seasons in a row at 34/35, Ibrahimovic scored 17 for us before he did his knee, Ronaldo scored 18, Antonio for West Ham has been good even at 33 among others. Obviously no one can predict the future, he could rupture an achilles tomorrow walking down the stairs. However, there are positive indicators which can assist in making a judgement call in whether someone is going to age gracefully or fall off the face of the earth. He's not got a stocky build so is quite lanky (he's not going to struggle due to weight), never been particularly quick (has had to rely on technical side of the game), has playmaking abilities (can move into other roles, assist team in other ways) etc., all of which suggest he's more similar to a Benzema, or Ibrahimovic than Owen or Rooney.
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People come up with all sorts of reasons to believe that a certain player will age better but its all just guesswork. The only thing solid you can really point to is that age 32+ players in general - and forwards inn particular - have a terrible track record over the last two decades in the PL.

The seasons you cite are really pretty far below elite level. Defoe scored 14 and 10 non-penalty goals two seasons running for a terrible side that got relegated. Ibra and Ronaldo each scored 15 non penalty goals but also demanded to have entire attacks built around feeding them the ball and offered next to nothing out of possession. If you signed Harry Kane for 100m and 400k per week and then he played like that from age 32 onward its not really a good thing.
 
HTG said:
I basically think the same way as the user you quoted. It still doesn't feel to me like Kane will ever play for us. I won't believe otherwise until I see it.
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I actually expect Kane to be sold to Bayern, if he tells Spurs that he won’t sign a new deal.
 
Powderfinger said:
People come up with all sorts of reasons to believe that a certain player will age better but its all just guesswork. The only thing solid you can really point to is that age 32+ players in general - and forwards inn particular - have a terrible track record over the last two decades in the PL.

The seasons you cite are really pretty far below elite level. Defoe scored 14 and 10 non-penalty goals two seasons running for a terrible side that got relegated. Ibra and Ronaldo each scored 15 non penalty goals but also demanded to have entire attacks built around feeding them the ball and offered next to nothing out of possession. If you signed Harry Kane for 100m and 400k per week and then he played like that from age 32 onward its not really a good thing.
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I never said it wasn't guesswork. You cite Defoe scoring 15 goals as not elite. I'd say that's elite when the next best scorer on the team scored 5. You can't just go "well that guy only scored 10 goals, he's shite" ignoring the context. 15 total goals for a 33/34 year old playing for a side which got 39 points and only scored 48 goals is pretty good to me as he scored a third of their total goals. Ibrahimovic scored 17 goals in the league when United only scored 54 total. That's great for a 35 year old. Also, the bolded shows you never watched us with Ibrahimovic that season. Ronaldo scoring 18 goals in a season where United only scored 57 is good, especially for a 37 year old.

Even you saying it's not a good thing to sign Kane ignores the context behind the rest of the team. You sign Kane to maximize the benefit of having a 31 year old Casemiro, a 30 year old Varane, a 28 year old Shaw, a 28 year old Bruno etc. Not for his benefits 5 years down the line.
 
the only way, and thats 10%, that Kane plays for United is that he stays until his contract runs out. We are never in the conversation when Levy holds the cards. Bayern to get into the conversation needs to bid 100m I somehow think they wont.
 
glasgow 21 said:
the only way, and thats 10%, that Kane plays for United is that he stays until his contract runs out. We are never in the conversation when Levy holds the cards. Bayern to get into the conversation needs to bid 100m I somehow think they wont.
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But this can’t be true. Spurs cannot let him leave on a free so either they will need to sell him if we offer £100m or they will need to accept whatever cheapskate offer Bayern come up with. It’s academic though because we don’t appear to be in a position to offer £100m.

If he stays until his contract runs out, we must be favourites to sign him. No way our prospects are 10% at that stage.
 
Doracle said:
But this can’t be true. Spurs cannot let him leave on a free so either they will need to sell him if we offer £100m or they will need to accept whatever cheapskate offer Bayern come up with. It’s academic though because we don’t appear to be in a position to offer £100m.

If he stays until his contract runs out, we must be favourites to sign him. No way our prospects are 10% at that stage.
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Yeah he is definitely more than 10% to play for Utd IF he let's his contract run down,otherwise I would say it's not even 1% due to not having over £100m kicking about
 
Rhyme Animal said:
If we can afford £60m for Hoijlund surely we can sell a few players and lay down 100m for Kane instead.

Kane at Utd is the obvious one, it should happen.
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No way Levy is selling to us even we offer something around £120m in total (£100m plus addons). I think we accepted that was the case back in June so moved to more of a prospect striker like Hojlund instead
 
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croadyman said:
No way Levy is selling to us unless we offer something around £120m in total
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I think this gets exaggerated tbh, yes, we’d need to pay more that Bayern, but if Utd bid, say, 105m and Bayern bid 80m and Kane himself says ‘I want Utd or will go for free’, Levy will obviously take it.

We should be bidding for Kane, there’s no reason not to.

He belongs at Utd, it’s meant to be. As the Gallaghers sang, ‘you got to make it happen’.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I think this gets exaggerated tbh, yes, we’d need to pay more that Bayern, but if Utd bid, say, 105m and Bayern bid 80m and Kane himself says ‘I want Utd or will go for free’, Levy will obviously take it.

We should be bidding for Kane, there’s no reason not to.

He belongs at Utd, it’s meant to be. As the Gallaghers sang, ‘you got to make it happen’.
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You make a valid point but it just feels like Utd don't see Kane having the balls to give Levy that ultimatum much as I want it to happen
 
Levy going to get what he wants I think - Kane is not headstrong enough to demand a move now.

Reckon he ends up staying and signing an extension with some kind of buyout clause this time around.

I think all ships will eventually depart for trophy-land without Kane…..
 
I don't think he will sign a new contract with Spurs, I actually think he's waiting for Utd, either this window or the next one, he probably sees us as a club back on an upward curve and with Pep finishing at City in the next 2 years its probably a very smart move to make.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I think this gets exaggerated tbh, yes, we’d need to pay more that Bayern, but if Utd bid, say, 105m and Bayern bid 80m and Kane himself says ‘I want Utd or will go for free’, Levy will obviously take it.

We should be bidding for Kane, there’s no reason not to.

He belongs at Utd, it’s meant to be. As the Gallaghers sang, ‘you got to make it happen’.
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I am not sure Levy would. He is extremely stubborn and will hope for believe he can get Kane to sign an extension. If there had been any indication we could get Kane for 105 I am certain we would have already done it.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I think this gets exaggerated tbh, yes, we’d need to pay more that Bayern, but if Utd bid, say, 105m and Bayern bid 80m and Kane himself says ‘I want Utd or will go for free’, Levy will obviously take it.

We should be bidding for Kane, there’s no reason not to.

He belongs at Utd, it’s meant to be. As the Gallaghers sang, ‘you got to make it happen’.
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If Bayern bid £80m, our offer would have to be around £130m at least for Levy to even consider it. £25m more won’t be sufficient. Personally I don’t think he’d let him go to us below £150m, he perceives United as huge rivals for some reason.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I think this gets exaggerated tbh, yes, we’d need to pay more that Bayern, but if Utd bid, say, 105m and Bayern bid 80m and Kane himself says ‘I want Utd or will go for free’, Levy will obviously take it.

We should be bidding for Kane, there’s no reason not to.

He belongs at Utd, it’s meant to be. As the Gallaghers sang, ‘you got to make it happen’.
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Or Kane could say: "Either you sell me to United, or risk seeing me go for free to a London rival next summer and face the supporters wrath"

Think that might do the trick :devil: :devil:
 
No one in their right mind is going to spend 100m on a 30 year old with 10 months left on his contract.

It's a game of chicken, but I think Levy blinks and accepts a reasonable fee towards the end of the window.
 
Powderfinger said:
People come up with all sorts of reasons to believe that a certain player will age better but its all just guesswork. The only thing solid you can really point to is that age 32+ players in general - and forwards inn particular - have a terrible track record over the last two decades in the PL.

The seasons you cite are really pretty far below elite level. Defoe scored 14 and 10 non-penalty goals two seasons running for a terrible side that got relegated. Ibra and Ronaldo each scored 15 non penalty goals but also demanded to have entire attacks built around feeding them the ball and offered next to nothing out of possession. If you signed Harry Kane for 100m and 400k per week and then he played like that from age 32 onward its not really a good thing.
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On the bold part.
Atleast for the first time I agree with a Arsenal fan.

The easiest way to predict the future is by checking if there are past patterns regarding the same issue. I also don't understand how Cafe usually comes up with reasons to believe something magically good is going to happen on to something when all previous pattern point to it being worse.

1. All this 100m signings generally never work. Even the mighty Ronaldo from Real to Juventus didn't work out, as the final push for CL title for Juve.

2. As you've said, above 31+ years as a striker in EPL is not easy. Even Aguero, Van Persie some elite footballers started to show their age when they reached 31 years. It's more to do with the demand of the league ( fatigue, recovery time, injuries, in game demands) etc.

Harry Kane is a sailed ship to Man Utd. We should be striving in getting a striker who will offer 6 years tops before getting to 30 years
 
foolsgold said:
No one in their right mind is going to spend 100m on a 30 year old with 10 months left on his contract.

It's a game of chicken, but I think Levy blinks and accepts a reasonable fee towards the end of the window.
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I actually wouldn't be surprised if Levy doesn't accept anything and takes his chances on persuading Kane to sign a shorter term contract at much higher wages i.e. Mbappe.
 
I would tend to agree that Kane might be a sailed opportunity and perhaps too old. It's only an option at the quoted fee if the goal is to "win now" (this season or the next one) and I don't quite think MU is really there yet.

Casemiro, Eriksen and maybe Varane might need to be cycled out in the not distant future. Adding Kane to that list means the club basically would revert back to needing a CD, D/CM and CF and all for a pretty penny.

On a free next year ? I'd imagine that would be much more interesting, but obviously on top of a CF player added this summer.

I don't know Hojlund is the right choice but I think it's closer to the right profile for the club's future.
 
DevilRed said:
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Levy doesn't accept anything and takes his chances on persuading Kane to sign a shorter term contract at much higher wages i.e. Mbappe.
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Kane does not have the luxury of time, his next contract will be his last meaningful one.

Levy is probably considering the lack of viable alternatives, same as us. Losing Kane and no alt is pretty much a death sentence to their season.
 
pcaming said:
Kane does not have the luxury of time, his next contract will be his last meaningful one.

Levy is probably considering the lack of viable alternatives, same as us. Losing Kane and no alt is pretty much a death sentence to their season.
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Kane or not no chance they'd win anything or get into the top 4 next season. And it's not like they'd get relegated without Kane.
 
I really hope BM negotiation broke down. Then we have a massive chance if Kane refused to renew. We need to go all out for him. The final piece of jigsaw in our rebuild.
 
Remember the geese said:
"Almost all of Kane's professional playing career" is not the same thing as "at this moment in time". Sure, Bayern can gobble up as many league titles as they please. However, "at this moment in time", we are just as likely to win the Champions League as they are. So no, they are not a fairly large jump up from us. Unless of course you really value Bundesliga titles, which I do not.
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I don't think your odds are actually equal though. They have a CL winning manager and CL winning players. Experience means a lot in that competition and there's heavily outweighs that of Man Utd's.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs' current squad has more CL experience than Man Utd's does.
 
December_16 said:
My wishful thinking is that he stays but won’t renew, and we can pick him up for like £20M-£30M in the winter window.
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Why in the world would Tottenham do that though?

Also don't hit me with getting something is better than nothing. Kane for even half a season of goals is worth more than 20-30 million which in today's market basically buys you maybe a player for the future from the Championship.
 
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