Most players are lauded for being one club men but not Kane - oh no he is a loser for staying.
Yeah because he shouldn't end his career without having won any major honours. Good luck in getting many people on your side with this one
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Yeah because he shouldn't end his career without having won any major honours. Good luck in getting many people on your side with this one
Not on this forum no. Everybody has been actively trying to sell him from Spurs for about 8 years and it is very very boring being on the other side of it.
What’s boring is being shit and not winning anything.
Most at least have something to their name, both Shearer and Totti won a league title. Le Tissier is constantly marked as unambitious and too comfortable at Soton.
It's not some grand conspiracy or double standard at play here, had Kane got over the line with Spurs for a league title or the CL under Poch then people would be much more sympathetic. Vardy for instance didnt get griefs for staying at Leicester instead of moving to Arsenal.
Quite the opposite to be honest, as a fan anyway. It's the journey isn't it. Only a few select clubs can win anything every season - if players and fans honestly thought like you do then nobody would bother turning up.
This is a team game though isn't it. He can't win a league on his own. Also this league is probably the hardest to win in the history of the game now we have City in full flight. Nobody can touch them in any competition really.
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The notion of a certain figure is a bit vague in any case. It could be more than £50m but you have to remember that if Levy turns down £50m after Kane has confirmed he won’t sign a new contract, then Levy is basically paying £50m plus Kane’s wages to have one more year of his services, during which time he could easily be injured. A business man doesn’t usually make decisions like that.
You would say that as a Spurs fan
Simmer, they're new.
I say this as a football fan. If you honestly believe that the game is just boring unless you win stuff then unfortunately for 99% of us fans the game is done since City are going to continue winning almost everything for the next 3-4 years
Agree.
Let the man live his Tottenham dream.
Loves playing for them, tries as hard as he can, gotta feel the pain when they were really close to both the PL and the CL....
Also really close with England. Closer then a lot of others came.
Does Stevie G has a prem title? No.
Did he get as much stick as Harry gets? No.
Besides, we need a legend of our own.
Well yeah he is a loser. He’s literally never won anything. Most other “one club players” of that caliber have
Gerrard won the fecking UCL and competed for titles! That’s a terrible comparison. And even then yes he gets laughed at daily for slipping and never winning the Prem
But you also have to figure:
a) Levy probably doesn't believe the chance of Kane eventually signing a new contract and staying is 0. He may be realistic enough to understand its highly unlikely, but he probably sees some chance.
b) Kane staying increases the perceived chance of getting back into Europe next year, maybe even CL (unlikely but Levy may not see it that way).
c) Spurs are negotiating some big commercial deals right now, including stadium naming rights, and Kane at the club is a massive part of its commercial appeal to sponsors.
d) Kane is likely a huge driver of other commercial revenues like shirt sales. How many 11-year-olds in the US or China want to buy a Kulusevski or Hojberg shirt?
I think its a very unusual situation in terms of the player's importance to the business of the club. You can't just look at the fee and wage costs.
You were competing with Leicester and Conte's Chelsea, and lost the UCL final to Liverpool, with a whimper.
He and the team blew your chance and now people will rightly question his standing in the game if/when he ends his career with no majour honour (or no honour at all). The one club men who are loved/respected got over the line.
Such a pain in the arse that Osimhen price is so high because means we have to drop down to next tier of strikers like Kolo-Muani/Ramos
Very simple decision for Kane. Not easy, but simple.
1. Stay at Tottenham. Sign a new deal and say publicly that you want to retire as the club and prem's all-time scorer. Never win a trophy but retire and get your statue outside the stadium.
2. Force the move. Do a Ronaldo-esque scorched earth interview and single out Levy for lack of ambition. Move to United and win trophies; possibly go down as a club icon who brought back the first title post-SAF.
Without #2, no chance he moves to United.
1. Stay at Tottenham. Sign a new deal and say publicly that you want to retire as the club and prem's all-time scorer. Never win a trophy but retire and get your statue outside the stadium.
2. Force the move. Do a Ronaldo-esque scorched earth interview and single out Levy for lack of ambition. Move to United and win trophies; possibly go down as a club icon who brought back the first title post-SAF.
Without #2, no chance he moves to United.
The ultimate goal is winning. Something you obviously have no idea about.
Yeah he definitely hasn't got it in him to do no 2 much as I would love to see it happen
You might as well tell that to every single football fan outside of about 2 or 3 teams who can win things with any regularity.That's harsh, Kane was 87 minutes and 2 goals away from the CL too
Do they not want to win?
Competed the same way Kane does.
Kane played in the CL final and had the same chance of winning the PL as Stevie G did.
Yes, he's a meme for slipping but he still didn't get the same shit transfer saga Kane faces every year.
Leave the man be.
If he wants to leave all he has to do is say.
Yes of course, we all do. Not winning though is not boring and not worthwhile. You can enjoy the game, support your team, hope to win things but still not be bored if you don't win. You think I don't want Spurs to win something? You couldn't be more wrong.
Yeah which he won't by the looks of it
No I’m saying you’re resigned to the fact that you won’t which is boring.
Which is fine.
Wants to win something with Spurs.
Fair play.
A club that gave him everything.
I applaud him for that.
Can't deny it's a serious lack of ambition though
Where did I say that? We are miles off it at the moment that is true but if we get the right manager we have some very good players in the squad we just need successful investment in key areas. I still have hope we can win things - why else would you be a fan if you just gave up?
Why is that?
Why isn't his quest for success with Spurs described as ambition?
Certainly one way of looking at it.
Yeah all bets are off if Kane leaves the door open to signing a new contract.
And yes all that other stuff factors into the calculation of the magic number. £50m plus his wages is a lot for Spurs but some of that would be offset by commercial revenues; I don’t know how much but it could push the magic number up above £50m. It’s academic because at £50m there would be multiple takers, fewer at £60m and by £70m you’re probably down to two or three. Somebody might pay £80m (hint hint) but above that I think the prospect of getting him free next year comes into it. I don’t think we’d wait; we’d buy someone else instead.
He is a Spurs fan though - nothing would mean more to him than winning a trophy with Spurs. He could leave and win trophies somewhere else in a City or a PSG or a Madrid but what would that actually prove? They always win things every year with or without Kane in the side.
Because they haven't given him enough since he broke through nearly 10 years ago
Most players are lauded for being one club men because there is usually SOMETHING to show for it. For Kane it's seen as wrong because there is nothing to show for it. Save for some golden boots, if he career were to end today, he would not have a single medal. Surely you can see how big of a waste that is for someone of his talent.
So are we talking about Spurs ambition or Kane's ambition?
IF Harry Kane really wants a move, and say United are willing to stump up the £100 million, then I believe Levy would be on dangerous ground to stand in his way. If I remember rightly it took a while for him to get over the City move falling through - he looked a broken man for England that summer and seemed to be operating at half pace. If he makes it clear he wants to leave and Levy refuses he could have a disconsolate and demotivated £100 million asset just watching the months tick down till the end of his contract. That's surely not a healthy scenario to be in. He's an exemplary pro and I'm not suggesting he'll deliberately down tools, (he's chasing records for a start) but having seen what he was like in the immediate aftermath of the City debacle I don't think it's a guarantee that he'll mentally be in the right place to automatically carry his form on into next season. Best cash in now you bald fecker!
Sure, but you could say that a businessman (or more to the point a top decision maker for a football club, because that's what is more relevant than his general business acumen) doesn't make a lot of the decisions Levy has done of late. He's not in the greatest form. I also think there's probably a bit more nuance to Levy than this detached, emotionless accountant that only cares about the bottom line as the media present him. That Levy probably does grasp at 50 million. I think he'll be a little more personally invested in this decision and won't just fold to whatever fee is on the table.
I also disagree with the way you view the finances. The wages are not hugely relevant, it's an ongoing cost for services rendered. They'll be paying anyone they sign up to do that job. And as for 50 million, it's expensive for a season but probably isn't an incredible premium on his value as a world class striker. There are other benefits involved. Attracting a manager here and now. Finishing better next season. Retaining a 1% hope he can persuade Harry to be very dumb and sign again.
When it's 80 million those benefits of hanging on are probably less and less easy to entertain for Levy. No doubt about it, we'll have to grasp Harry Kane and be determined about it if we want him this summer, it's not going to be easy or cheap.
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Yeah I have zero faith that he has the guts to stand up to Levy and say you can't force me to stay. I want a new challenge and willing to force it if that's what it takes to make that happen.
Yeah I said it could be more than £50m - I picked that as a figure where it’s probably hard to make a financial case for turning it down. There are lots of other variables which, taken together, probably raise that bar. Among these is the perceived impact of strengthening a rival which is hard to quantify but may be worth a lot to Levy.
In any case, the figure would certainly be bid up from a nominal threshold of £50m because there would be a few interested parties. £70m, £80m, not many clubs will pay that when there’s a chance of a free transfer in a year.