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Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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You do know what virtually means right? Virtually on his own means he can't defend on his own.
No it doesn't. So in a pub you are arguing with your buddies you can willfully misrepresent their argument to support your own at the same time ridiculing this misrepresented argument so you can laugh at him?
Anyone who does that is a total twat deserving of the imminent ass beating they would probably get.
Why are you starting to ramble about sports websites?
I'm always going to trust my own perception, and the perceptions of others, over someone who thinks Kieran Richardson is as talented as Ryan Giggs
and I'm always going to trust the reliability of people who were watching the game, and who's opinions are in no way connected to this thread, over someone who's been proven to simply make up things, and whom occasionally logs in under a different account, in order to agree with himself.
You really are stupid. I'm not remotely obsessed. I just keep pointing out to ignorant people like you the facts on the ground. Because you love to tell us how Carrick is superior to Hargreaves and has no flaw. Plus how Hargreaves is shit. With nothing concrete to back you up. Thus, I always bring out the one litmus test they both took: Milan. Only when you stop being obssesed with spreading your heretic gospel that Hargreaves is shit and Carrick is way superior to him. Will I stop bringing it up.
This is getting silly
The only person who claims Carrick is flawless is you, when you pretend that I claim it, which I don't. If you were so sure of yourself, you wouldn't be resorting to repeatedly making things up.
You're obsessed with the Milan games, and thinking they prove something which they can't possibly do. Even so, no one seems to agree with your view as to what happened in those games anyway. Doesn't that tell you anything?
If you think Hargreaves is a good player, fine, but why use the worlds shittest argument ever to try and back it up?
The Guardian's match report: Bayern 0- 2 Milan
Michael Walker at the Allianz Arena
Thursday April 12, 2007
The Guardian
There will be another trip to Italy for Manchester United, doubtless another meeting with the carabinieri for their followers and another visit to the San Siro where, two years ago, United bowed out of Europe in the last 16. Milan went on to the final to meet Liverpool in Istanbul and that is a possible scenario for Athens, Milan having eased past a disappointing Bayern Munich last night. First-half goals from Clarence Seedorf and Filippo Inzaghi set up a semi-final against United that begins at Old Trafford on Tuesday week.
Sir Alex Ferguson departed Bayern's vast arena with much to ponder. Milan showed sufficient weakness in the first leg to draw 2-2 but here they were clinical in both attack and defence. Though it was a difficult game to read due to Bayern's mediocrity, what can be said with confidence is that no Italian side will fancy meeting United after the walloping inflicted on Roma on Tuesday night.
Bayern had not lost at home in Europe for 11 matches, stretching back three years, but they were pedestrian - or made to look that way - as Carlo Ancelotti's side soaked up pressure, hit them on the break, then soaked up some more pressure.
There will be chatter in the coming days about Milan's age but Paolo Maldini's 38- year-old legs will not have been aching after a game that was a bit too comfortable for a finely poised quarter-final second leg.
There were no heroics from Daniel van Buyten this time and the former Manchester City player will not have his derby. Van Buyten scored twice in the last 12 minutes in Milan to equalise twice and to give the Germans serious optimism about progress. But Van Buyten was also involved in two goals last night and while he was not solely to blame, he was as uninspired as anyone.
As for Owen Hargreaves, Bayern's president, Franz Beckenbauer, said on television before kick-off that he would contemplate selling the England midfielder "for £25m". Hargreaves was excellent in Milan but he laboured with his colleagues here and that valuation is exorbitant on this evidence.
Of course Hargreaves and Bayern can play much better - they knocked out Real Madrid to get this far. But aside from a couple of early chances Ottmar Hitzfeld's side never worked up the necessary head of steam that would invigorate the 66,000 present to intimidate Milan.
Had the first 12 minutes been different, then the game would have been. Mark van Bommel had missed the first leg due to suspension but made his returning presence felt with a smart eighth-minute cross that bypassed Maldini and Alessandro Nesta and picked out Lukas Podolski. Podolski was coming in at pace and could only stab the ball goalwards but it was beating Dida until Massimo Oddo cleared it a yard from the line.
Soon after that a lovely reverse pass from Roy Makaay found Podolski unmarked on the 18-yard line. Podolski edged one stride forward before spiking a shot that was fierce but too close to Dida.
Milan had dug in. Midfield sparring followed but that was terminated by Kaka. On 27 minutes the Brazilian cut inside from the right and ran smoothly until supplying Seedorf. (I thought Kaka was in Hargreave's pocket
)The experienced Dutchman jinked away from Lucio before shooting through the legs of Van Buyten and into the bottom corner. It was a poor goal defensively.Oliver Kahn was nowhere, a sensation he was to know again less than five minutes later. Neat passing from Marek Jankulowski and Kaka (Not him again
)was followed by a creator's backheel from Seedorf that exposed Van Buyten. Inzaghi was suddenly free and bearing down on the ageing Kahn. Inzaghi is no spring chicken either but his finish -high into the net - was sprightly.The rest of the game passed with too little incident to satisfy the paying customer, though Ancelotti felt compelled to run on to the pitch to break up a scuffle involving Massimo Ambrosini.
It is hard to believe United v Milan will be quite so tame.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,2055101,00.html
yeah, but we all know the Guardian are just like all those muppets in that match-day thread in the caf last year
The Guardian's match report: Bayern 0- 2 Milan
Michael Walker at the Allianz Arena
Thursday April 12, 2007
The Guardian
There will be another trip to Italy for Manchester United, doubtless another meeting with the carabinieri for their followers and another visit to the San Siro where, two years ago, United bowed out of Europe in the last 16. Milan went on to the final to meet Liverpool in Istanbul and that is a possible scenario for Athens, Milan having eased past a disappointing Bayern Munich last night. First-half goals from Clarence Seedorf and Filippo Inzaghi set up a semi-final against United that begins at Old Trafford on Tuesday week.
Sir Alex Ferguson departed Bayern's vast arena with much to ponder. Milan showed sufficient weakness in the first leg to draw 2-2 but here they were clinical in both attack and defence. Though it was a difficult game to read due to Bayern's mediocrity, what can be said with confidence is that no Italian side will fancy meeting United after the walloping inflicted on Roma on Tuesday night.
Bayern had not lost at home in Europe for 11 matches, stretching back three years, but they were pedestrian - or made to look that way - as Carlo Ancelotti's side soaked up pressure, hit them on the break, then soaked up some more pressure.
There will be chatter in the coming days about Milan's age but Paolo Maldini's 38- year-old legs will not have been aching after a game that was a bit too comfortable for a finely poised quarter-final second leg.
There were no heroics from Daniel van Buyten this time and the former Manchester City player will not have his derby. Van Buyten scored twice in the last 12 minutes in Milan to equalise twice and to give the Germans serious optimism about progress. But Van Buyten was also involved in two goals last night and while he was not solely to blame, he was as uninspired as anyone.
As for Owen Hargreaves, Bayern's president, Franz Beckenbauer, said on television before kick-off that he would contemplate selling the England midfielder "for £25m". Hargreaves was excellent in Milan but he laboured with his colleagues here and that valuation is exorbitant on this evidence.
Of course Hargreaves and Bayern can play much better - they knocked out Real Madrid to get this far. But aside from a couple of early chances Ottmar Hitzfeld's side never worked up the necessary head of steam that would invigorate the 66,000 present to intimidate Milan.
Had the first 12 minutes been different, then the game would have been. Mark van Bommel had missed the first leg due to suspension but made his returning presence felt with a smart eighth-minute cross that bypassed Maldini and Alessandro Nesta and picked out Lukas Podolski. Podolski was coming in at pace and could only stab the ball goalwards but it was beating Dida until Massimo Oddo cleared it a yard from the line.
Soon after that a lovely reverse pass from Roy Makaay found Podolski unmarked on the 18-yard line. Podolski edged one stride forward before spiking a shot that was fierce but too close to Dida.
Milan had dug in. Midfield sparring followed but that was terminated by Kaka. On 27 minutes the Brazilian cut inside from the right and ran smoothly until supplying Seedorf. (I thought Kaka was in Hargreave's pocket
Oliver Kahn was nowhere, a sensation he was to know again less than five minutes later. Neat passing from Marek Jankulowski and Kaka (Not him again
The rest of the game passed with too little incident to satisfy the paying customer, though Ancelotti felt compelled to run on to the pitch to break up a scuffle involving Massimo Ambrosini.
It is hard to believe United v Milan will be quite so tame.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,2055101,00.html
yeah, but we all know the Guardian are just like all those muppets in that match-day thread in the caf last year
Did you actually read the article or just wait for the colorful descriptives?
They said IMPLICITLY Bayern had the run of play but was toothless. Shall I quote it for you?
Bayern had not lost at home in Europe for 11 matches, stretching back three years, but they were pedestrian - or made to look that way - as Carlo Ancelotti's side soaked up pressure, hit them on the break, then soaked up some more pressure.
Ok let's break this down. Bayern had the ball. Bayern had the ball for most of the game. Bayern was unable to break down Milan in no small part due to the fact they were missing half their players and had others playing woefully out of position.
Milan had a couple of moments of brilliance. hit them on the break this would seem to indicate that Milan had very little of the ball because hitting on the break refers to a counter attack.
Much of the remainder of the article goes on to describe the Milan goals and their clinical finishing.
I don't see anything here that would refute what the Chief said. Bayern dominated possession and couldn't score. Milan got a couple chances and scored on them. The fact that the article is calling Bayern poor is fine. Any team that is that toothless in front of goal should be knocked down a bit. The article also did not mention how undermanned Bayern was.
The Chief didn't say that Hargreaves kept Kaka silent the entire game. Brilliant players are impossible to shut down 100% of the time. The problem wasn't that Kaka got loose a couple of times. The problem was that both chances were converted. That is a pretty high rate of return. If Rooney and Tevez were scoring 100% of the time we'd be winning games 18-0 ;p
yep, clearly you and the rubberman know what happened that match contrary to all the evidence
you even claimed that Hargreaves kept kaka quiet in that game ffs!
....
Have you ever been in a pub?
Well as far as I can see, none of the Hargreaves supporters have actually seen him play live. Wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't been in a pub either.
And that match report is pretty damning on both Bayern and Hargreaves. Milan strolled through the Bayern midfield and defence as easily as they did in the second leg against United. And I doubt Bayern were either as knackered or as decimated with injury (Heinze at centre-back ffs).
Trust a Neanderthal like you to call it rambling. I'm just stating the bleeding obvious. My views on Hargreaves' performance and how Bayern faired at home vs Milan are backed up by match reports. Your's by rubbish from the cafe math day threads. Nuff said.
Yep. Such a good perception it is too. The one that made you tell the whole world how we were sure to be hammered by Fulham with the line up we we're starting with. Abusing Fergie for another "spastic episode" according to you, the great football guru. A game we won 3-0 with some comfort. Proving you such a fool.
Petty cheap shots wont deflect from the
fact you often talk rubbish and try to pawn it off as fact. Like you trying to claim I have said Hargreaves is better than Carrick.
You claim it often. Telling us how he is glorious at defending and at passing the ball. Plus how people don't see
"how good he is because he doesn't run around like a head less chicken'
That's a very weak attempt at denying the truth, Noodle. Your Carrick view are well known and almost as biased as Mozza's. So is your penchant for putting words in other posters mouths.
I've never been obsessed with them, neither will I ever be. You just hate them being mentioned because they prove what a fool you really are. So to deflect attention from that you want to claim those who bring them up are obsessed. The only thing I'm actually obsessed with is the pursuit of exposing poster like you for the ignorant know nothings they really are. More make belief from you. You need to really grow up. The only person with shit arguments is you. Yet you seem to think others are afflicted with your disease.
What evidence? The crap you posted in the match thread? Don't make me giggle. There's not even a single match report that can back you and you pals views. So quit embarrassing yourself while you still can.yep, clearly you and the rubberman know what happened that match contrary to all the evidence
Har! Is this true?
Are you suggesting that he's actually posted more than 500 posts in this thread? Surely that's impossible. Wouldn't his fingers/keypad wear out?
Lets also look at UEFA's unbiased match report. Unlike the guardian, they don't need to sell any papers by building up the Milan-United clash.
Lell chance
The game had begun very differently as Bayern bossed the early stages. With Owen Hargreaves the ever-dependable defensive foil, Mark van Bommel was given freedom to roam and almost fashioned the breakthrough after seven minutes when his cross was turned goalwards at the far post by Christian Lell. With Dida beaten, Milan were grateful for Massimo Oddo's goalline clearance though it sparked a brief spell of frenetic pressure by the home team.
Bayern confidence
Roy Makaay scuffed a weak effort past the post before Lukas Podolski tested Dida with a powerful low strike, and the Bayern fans' pre-match confidence seemed well founded. They had kicked off by unfurling a giant banner proclaiming "Glänzende Aussichten" (Bright prospects) beneath a likeness of the Acropolis, a reference to May's final in Athens, and Milan were offering little to counter the argument as too often passes went astray.
Double blow
By contrast, Bayern's midfield gleefully stroked the ball around as they made light of the absence of the injured Bastian Schweinsteiger. Yet all it took was for the German side to momentarily let their guard down and Milan were in. A mix-up between Lell and Podolski in the centre allowed the visitors to swiftly turn the ball to Seedorf, who wrong-footed Van Buyten and fired low past Oliver Kahn. Four minutes later Seedorf was the provider, adroitly flicking a pass through the middle into the path of Inzaghi who made it 2-0 with aplomb.
Holding firm
Bayern were reeling. They managed to steady the ship before half-time, however, and coach Ottmar Hitzfeld gave a glimpse of his intentions for the second period by bringing on attack-minded Roque Santa Cruz for Andreas Ottl. Yet when Gennaro Gattuso nipped the ball from Hasan Salihamidžić with a majestic challenge inside the penalty box two minutes after the restart, the suspicion that it was just not Bayern's night merely grew. Right-back Salihamidžić switched places with left midfielder Lell, and Claudio Pizarro soon entered the fray but Milan held firm.
Manchester date
Marshalled by the industrious Gattuso, Milan's midfield dropped deeper. At the other end, Kahn stood up well to deny Kaká in a rare excursion from their own half by the Italian outfit, though it mattered not as the Rossoneri booked a date in Manchester on 24 April for the first leg of their semi-final.
Lell chance
The game had begun very differently as Bayern bossed the early stages. With Owen Hargreaves the ever-dependable defensive foil, Mark van Bommel was given freedom to roam and almost fashioned the breakthrough after seven minutes when his cross was turned goalwards at the far post by Christian Lell. With Dida beaten, Milan were grateful for Massimo Oddo's goalline clearance though it sparked a brief spell of frenetic pressure by the home team.
Bayern confidence
Roy Makaay scuffed a weak effort past the post before Lukas Podolski tested Dida with a powerful low strike, and the Bayern fans' pre-match confidence seemed well founded. They had kicked off by unfurling a giant banner proclaiming "Glänzende Aussichten" (Bright prospects) beneath a likeness of the Acropolis, a reference to May's final in Athens, and Milan were offering little to counter the argument as too often passes went astray.
Double blow
By contrast, Bayern's midfield gleefully stroked the ball around as they made light of the absence of the injured Bastian Schweinsteiger. Yet all it took was for the German side to momentarily let their guard down and Milan were in. A mix-up between Lell and Podolski in the centre allowed the visitors to swiftly turn the ball to Seedorf, who wrong-footed Van Buyten and fired low past Oliver Kahn. Four minutes later Seedorf was the provider, adroitly flicking a pass through the middle into the path of Inzaghi who made it 2-0 with aplomb.
Holding firm
Bayern were reeling. They managed to steady the ship before half-time, however, and coach Ottmar Hitzfeld gave a glimpse of his intentions for the second period by bringing on attack-minded Roque Santa Cruz for Andreas Ottl. Yet when Gennaro Gattuso nipped the ball from Hasan Salihamidžić with a majestic challenge inside the penalty box two minutes after the restart, the suspicion that it was just not Bayern's night merely grew. Right-back Salihamidžić switched places with left midfielder Lell, and Claudio Pizarro soon entered the fray but Milan held firm.
Manchester date
Marshalled by the industrious Gattuso, Milan's midfield dropped deeper. At the other end, Kahn stood up well to deny Kaká in a rare excursion from their own half by the Italian outfit, though it mattered not as the Rossoneri booked a date in Manchester on 24 April for the first leg of their semi-final.
Yeah, cos the Guardian really had it in for Hargreaves didn't they
Bayern lost 2-0 at home to Milan. Hargreaves was the 'holding midfielder' charged with stopping that from happening. Those are facts.
Now the question is - are you also the Chief? The Noodly bloke who appears to be some sort of moderator on here seems to think the Chief has a habit of logging in under different usernames to agree with himself in debates such as this.
Fact. I already told everyone here
, Bayern was badly weakened in that game. And were a far inferior side to anythingwe had that faced Milan over two legs in the semi's
Which I've pointed out time and again. They had all the ball. Wasting possession and chances a like. Classic signs of mediocrity. Especially when the keeper is hardly getting to make saves, yet you keep having the chance to shoot at him.
Robing what I've said for ages. Bayern dominated Milan. Getting twice on the counteras Carlo Ancelotti's side soaked up pressure, hit them on the break, then soaked up some more pressure.
Talked of stating the obvious. They didn't win. Yet they had all the ball , What else would it be called.
So one moment of Brilliance form Kaka amounts to him having had a riot of a game eh?Milan had dug in. Midfield sparring followed but that was terminated by Kaka. On 27 minutes the Brazilian cut inside from the right and ran smoothly until supplying Seedorf. (I thought Kaka was in Hargreave's pocket
Being involved in one good passing movement, setting up a goal. Then doing nothing else amounst to Kaka having an outstanding match. Well done, Einstein. You've convinced the match day thread was full of bollocks.Neat passing from Marek Jankulowski and Kaka (Not him again
Excellent post
Yeah, cos the Guardian really had it in for Hargreaves didn't they
Bayern lost 2-0 at home to Milan. Hargreaves was the 'holding midfielder' charged with stopping that from happening. Those are facts.
And the English media is never biased against a German team
SAF was at the match watching the game and decided Hargreaves was worth the money. Maybe he has no clue about football too.
Why dont you or noodle come back and comment after you have won some premiership titles as a manager?
Are you a moron ?
That's because your a fool too. Birds of a feather always stick together.Tee hee, I'm beginning to think Noodlyman might be right.
Does anyone think this thread will reach 100 pages?
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber, I have one question, you think that Bayern and Hargreaves played well, do you think the Bayern fans think the same ?
yep, clearly you and the rubberman know what happened that match contrary to all the evidence
It's unbelievable isn't it.
I feel sorry for Owen Hargreaves now. With people like this on his side, there's no hope.
HARGO'S PLEA: "NOT IN MY NAME"
Owen Hargreaves has finally broken his silence and issued a plea for the interminable
Owen Hargreaves thread to end. Hargreaves, appalled at the way the eponymous
online bickerthon has spiraled out of control, gave an emotional press conference
at Old Trafford's Carrington training ground earlier today.
“Please make it stop now,” begged the German-haired enforcer, “Please. Stop the posts.”
The internet monstrosity, now sixty-five pages long and still growing at an alarming rate,
began when the Rubberman said something spastic - or possibly didn’t, no-one knows.
Since then, it has mushroomed into an entity of frightening size and scope, swamping
all other attempted discussion and causing electrical storms in Lesotho (at least, according
to notorious liar noodlehair).
Hargo: “It’s surfaced porpoise”.
And now Hargreaves himself has been drawn into the row. Friends last night described the
bustling Canadian anchorman as “tired”, “concerned” and “fecking average”. Meanwhile,
Chelsea sharpshooter Frank Lampard has offered support to his fellow England midfielder,
saying “It’s a tough situation, definitely. Obviously you don’t want noodle telling all these
lies about you, definitely - especially when you’re already comfort-eating marine mammals
to a certain extent...” adding, “Su’agoaws.”
But it’s not just the amazing/rubbish demi-Welsh water-carrier that’s feeling the pressure.
Serious questions are being asked of much-loved Caf personality The Rubberman -
questions like, “What?” and “Do you genuinely believe that?” Some have even suggested
that his entire life might be one enormous, elaborate internet hoax. However, last night
a close friend of the Chief's, who declined to be named, angrily denied the allegation,
commenting, “That’s a heinous lie, a blatant hypocrisy and a libelous infamy.”
He helpfully supplied dictionary definitions of these terms, before adding, “How dare you:
1) wave that self-evidently phallic, nay phallogocentric microphone in my visage?
2) Willfully, flagrantly and with callousness aforethought disagree with me on the internet?
3) Tell pseudologous falsehoods about chickens crossing roads when it is established fact
that chickens live in coops and do not traverse public thoroughfares. .” He then went
purple and threatened to call the police, before mercifully running away.
But evil bastard noodlehair responded fiercely to the aspersions of the Chief's mysterious ally:
"He's literally the biggest penis I've ever come across," said the mouse-attracting oddball, "And
given my love-life, that's up against some pretty stiff competition...literally".
Owen Hargreaves is twenty-seven, slightly pointless and cost seventeen million pounds.
Owen Hargreaves has finally broken his silence and issued a plea for the interminable
Owen Hargreaves thread to end. Hargreaves, appalled at the way the eponymous
online bickerthon has spiraled out of control, gave an emotional press conference
at Old Trafford's Carrington training ground earlier today.
“Please make it stop now,” begged the German-haired enforcer, “Please. Stop the posts.”
Thread
The internet monstrosity, now sixty-five pages long and still growing at an alarming rate,
began when the Rubberman said something spastic - or possibly didn’t, no-one knows.
Since then, it has mushroomed into an entity of frightening size and scope, swamping
all other attempted discussion and causing electrical storms in Lesotho (at least, according
to notorious liar noodlehair).
Hargo: “It’s surfaced porpoise”.
Ointment factory
And now Hargreaves himself has been drawn into the row. Friends last night described the
bustling Canadian anchorman as “tired”, “concerned” and “fecking average”. Meanwhile,
Chelsea sharpshooter Frank Lampard has offered support to his fellow England midfielder,
saying “It’s a tough situation, definitely. Obviously you don’t want noodle telling all these
lies about you, definitely - especially when you’re already comfort-eating marine mammals
to a certain extent...” adding, “Su’agoaws.”
Brambles
But it’s not just the amazing/rubbish demi-Welsh water-carrier that’s feeling the pressure.
Serious questions are being asked of much-loved Caf personality The Rubberman -
questions like, “What?” and “Do you genuinely believe that?” Some have even suggested
that his entire life might be one enormous, elaborate internet hoax. However, last night
a close friend of the Chief's, who declined to be named, angrily denied the allegation,
commenting, “That’s a heinous lie, a blatant hypocrisy and a libelous infamy.”
He helpfully supplied dictionary definitions of these terms, before adding, “How dare you:
1) wave that self-evidently phallic, nay phallogocentric microphone in my visage?
2) Willfully, flagrantly and with callousness aforethought disagree with me on the internet?
3) Tell pseudologous falsehoods about chickens crossing roads when it is established fact
that chickens live in coops and do not traverse public thoroughfares. .” He then went
purple and threatened to call the police, before mercifully running away.
Owen Hargreaves
But evil bastard noodlehair responded fiercely to the aspersions of the Chief's mysterious ally:
"He's literally the biggest penis I've ever come across," said the mouse-attracting oddball, "And
given my love-life, that's up against some pretty stiff competition...literally".
Owen Hargreaves is twenty-seven, slightly pointless and cost seventeen million pounds.
HARGO'S PLEA: "NOT IN MY NAME"
Owen Hargreaves has finally broken his silence and issued a plea for the interminable
Owen Hargreaves thread to end. Hargreaves, appalled at the way the eponymous
online bickerthon has spiraled out of control, gave an emotional press conference
at Old Trafford's Carrington training ground earlier today.
“Please make it stop now,” begged the German-haired enforcer, “Please. Stop the posts.”
Thread
The internet monstrosity, now sixty-five pages long and still growing at an alarming rate,
began when the Rubberman said something spastic - or possibly didn’t, no-one knows.
Since then, it has mushroomed into an entity of frightening size and scope, swamping
all other attempted discussion and causing electrical storms in Lesotho (at least, according
to notorious liar noodlehair).
Hargo: “It’s surfaced porpoise”.
Ointment factory
And now Hargreaves himself has been drawn into the row. Friends last night described the
bustling Canadian anchorman as “tired”, “concerned” and “fecking average”. Meanwhile,
Chelsea sharpshooter Frank Lampard has offered support to his fellow England midfielder,
saying “It’s a tough situation, definitely. Obviously you don’t want noodle telling all these
lies about you, definitely - especially when you’re already comfort-eating marine mammals
to a certain extent...” adding, “Su’agoaws.”
Brambles
But it’s not just the amazing/rubbish demi-Welsh water-carrier that’s feeling the pressure.
Serious questions are being asked of much-loved Caf personality The Rubberman -
questions like, “What?” and “Do you genuinely believe that?” Some have even suggested
that his entire life might be one enormous, elaborate internet hoax. However, last night
a close friend of the Chief's, who declined to be named, angrily denied the allegation,
commenting, “That’s a heinous lie, a blatant hypocrisy and a libelous infamy.”
He helpfully supplied dictionary definitions of these terms, before adding, “How dare you:
1) wave that self-evidently phallic, nay phallogocentric microphone
in my direction?
2) Willfully, flagrantly and with callousness aforethought disagree with me on the internet?
3) Tell pseudologous falsehoods about chickens crossing roads when it is established fact
that chickens live in coops and do not traverse public thoroughfares. .” He then went
purple and threatened to call the police, before mercifully running away.
Owen Hargreaves
But evil bastard has noodlehair responded fiercely to the aspersions of the Chief's mysterious ally:
"He's literally the biggest penis I've ever come across," said the mouse-attracting oddball, "And
given my love-life, that's up against some pretty stiff competition...literally".
Owen Hargreaves is twenty-seven, slightly pointless and cost seventeen million pounds.
I agree, sign the YAAKKKK
Wiki
HARGO'S PLEA: "NOT IN MY NAME"
Owen Hargreaves has finally broken his silence and issued a plea for the interminable
Owen Hargreaves thread to end. Hargreaves, appalled at the way the eponymous
online bickerthon has spiraled out of control, gave an emotional press conference
at Old Trafford's Carrington training ground earlier today.
“Please make it stop now,” begged the German-haired enforcer, “Please. Stop the posts.”
Thread
The internet monstrosity, now sixty-five pages long and still growing at an alarming rate,
began when the Rubberman said something spastic - or possibly didn’t, no-one knows.
Since then, it has mushroomed into an entity of frightening size and scope, swamping
all other attempted discussion and causing electrical storms in Lesotho (at least, according
to notorious liar noodlehair).
Hargo: “It’s surfaced porpoise”.
Ointment factory
And now Hargreaves himself has been drawn into the row. Friends last night described the
bustling Canadian anchorman as “tired”, “concerned” and “fecking average”. Meanwhile,
Chelsea sharpshooter Frank Lampard has offered support to his fellow England midfielder,
saying “It’s a tough situation, definitely. Obviously you don’t want noodle telling all these
lies about you, definitely - especially when you’re already comfort-eating marine mammals
to a certain extent...” adding, “Su’agoaws.”
Brambles
But it’s not just the amazing/rubbish demi-Welsh water-carrier that’s feeling the pressure.
Serious questions are being asked of much-loved Caf personality The Rubberman -
questions like, “What?” and “Do you genuinely believe that?” Some have even suggested
that his entire life might be one enormous, elaborate internet hoax. However, last night
a close friend of the Chief's, who declined to be named, angrily denied the allegation,
commenting, “That’s a heinous lie, a blatant hypocrisy and a libelous infamy.”
He helpfully supplied dictionary definitions of these terms, before adding, “How dare you:
1) wave that self-evidently phallic, nay phallogocentric microphone in my visage?
2) Willfully, flagrantly and with callousness aforethought disagree with me on the internet?
3) Tell pseudologous falsehoods about chickens crossing roads when it is established fact
that chickens live in coops and do not traverse public thoroughfares. .” He then went
purple and threatened to call the police, before mercifully running away.
Owen Hargreaves
But evil bastard noodlehair responded fiercely to the aspersions of the Chief's mysterious ally:
"He's literally the biggest penis I've ever come across," said the mouse-attracting oddball, "And
given my love-life, that's up against some pretty stiff competition...literally".
Owen Hargreaves is twenty-seven, slightly pointless and cost seventeen million pounds.
Brilliant Pletch.
just want to throw another log into the fire.
Rubberman's main argument is not really kaka
it's gattuso.
I will let him say that OH would stop Kaka. fair enough, that's his job. But if the whole concept of OH is to prevent someone liek gattuso from dominating the game, I would say he wouldn't
Gattuso and OH perform similar roles. They would not be marking up against eachother (on a regular basis) just as you won't see makalele take on mascherano.
having OH in the midfield (who is not as adept offensively) would mean that Gattuso has less threats to worry about.
Instead of Carrick and scholes (or whoever it might be) he only has ONE to deal with, making his job much easier.
the best way to counter a defensive midfielder is to give him too many options for him to cover them all
that would be my thoughts anyway
Rubberman's main argument is not really kaka
it's gattuso.
I will let him say that OH would stop Kaka. fair enough, that's his job. But if the whole concept of OH is to prevent someone liek gattuso from dominating the game, I would say he wouldn't
Gattuso and OH perform similar roles. They would not be marking up against eachother (on a regular basis) just as you won't see makalele take on mascherano.
having OH in the midfield (who is not as adept offensively) would mean that Gattuso has less threats to worry about.
Instead of Carrick and scholes (or whoever it might be) he only has ONE to deal with, making his job much easier.
the best way to counter a defensive midfielder is to give him too many options for him to cover them all
that would be my thoughts anyway
I'm on a payroll - but probably not the one of which you're thinking.
hmm, i dubiously concur, though i dislike the possessive undercurrent. Don't you agree, my fine fellow?
I had totally forgotten about that!
Neither you, nor anyone else, have been able to produce any example where the chief does contradict any of his central points – because they don’t exist do they?
Firstly, you should perhaps decide what your posts about the chief’s arguments actually are. Sometimes you claim they are just ‘tongue in cheek remarks’ which presumably playfully exaggerate his points – and sometimes you want to claim that the chief really did say that, at sometime, somewhere. Something of a contradiction there I’d reckon.
Now let’s look at your remarks about me: I haven’t said they’re 'brutal' but you’ve certainly launched personal attacks – hypocrisy, dishonesty, guilty of everything of which you accuse others etc. – I reasonably suggest you should either retract those allegations give some evidence, which you signally fail to do . (Well you do make a few statements – but none are relevant to the charges laid.) Are you simply being ‘tongue in cheek’ when you post (wrongly) that there is evidence to support your point?
My initial points were clear:
Noods - if you are going to comment on an argument and call it 'thin' then you should really state the argument your opponent actually advanced rather than the 'straw man' version you and others habitually peddle. You are just being intellectually dishonest - summaries have been made by posters other than the chief if you can't bear to accurately read what he posts.
I haven't noticed the chief really liken OH to Keano either. His criticism of Carrick is surely that he is deficient defensively (not that he's shit overall) and that his weaknesses, mistakes and poor performances are ignored or denied by people who will pick at any possible negative aspects to OH's play.
Then after your attempted 'explanation' and an additional misrepresentation of his views:
The way I read the chief's posts made his points reasonably coherent - it's only your way of presenting them here that makes them seem like an inherent contradiction.
Adding my gloss to make his case clearer, he suggested:
1 That for most of the game (say 70-75 mins) OH marked Kaka out of the game (and neutralised the impact of Gattuso if I remember).
2 After that, since Kaka had been so ineffective and was probably a bit 'down' and Bayern needed to attack more OH was able to stop marking him and free himself to aid the attack more freely.
It's only your portrayal of OH simultaneously marking Kaka out of the game and not bothering marking him (which is not anything the chief actually advanced) that makes it seem a major inconsistency. That inconsistency is something entirely manufactured by yourself rather than your opponent yet you use it as an excuse not to address what he actually says.
Actually, your judgement of the chief going so 'OTT' in his praise for Hargreaves is based on as little actual evidence as the previous remark -what you are reacting to here is what the chief's opponents are suggesting he has said, not what he actually said. You're then treating these misrepresentations as typical of his remarks and reacting accordingly - and you are contributing to those misrepresentations yourself.
That’s not really ‘having a problem with’ you is it? It’s having a problem with what you post – specifically its inaccuracy – especially since this isn’t a ‘tongue in cheek’ remark, this is being presented by you specifically as an argument relating to what the chief actually said:
Noods said:
It’s only once you decided to make entirely false accusations against myself that I started to have a problem with you yourself - as I stated (from memory) ‘I used to have some respect for you’ until that point.
Firstly, your quote of Sincher’s ‘poor evidence’ referred to evidence given by the chief not me.
I’m only ‘pretty sure’ I’ve read all the chief’s posts in this thread because I’m human – I might have scrolled past one by mistake when catching up sometime – it’s highly unlikely but it’s vaguely possible.When I comment on a particular post I certainly am ‘selecting’ that post for attention so the evidence I provide will be selected: it will be that post and those to which it refers. You either don’t provide any evidence or give ‘evidence’ that doesn’t show what you claim – that’s both ‘selective’ and ‘deficient’.
Now it so happens that I'm getting bored with your complete inability to argu a point accuaretly combined with gratuitous insults that constitute libellous allegations...
...so why don't you just stay in the personal dreamworld you inhabit and not bother those of us who are awake?
Neither you, nor anyone else, have been able to produce any example where the chief does contradict any of his central points – because they don’t exist do they?
Firstly, you should perhaps decide what your posts about the chief’s arguments actually are. Sometimes you claim they are just ‘tongue in cheek remarks’ which presumably playfully exaggerate his points – and sometimes you want to claim that the chief really did say that, at sometime, somewhere. Something of a contradiction there I’d reckon.
Now let’s look at your remarks about me: I haven’t said they’re brutal but you’ve certainly launched personal attacks – hypocrisy, dishonesty, guilty of everything of which you accuse others etc. – I reasonably suggest you should either retract those allegations give some evidence, which you signally fail to do . (Well you do make a few statements – but none are relevant to the charges laid.) Are you simply being ‘tongue in cheek’ when you post (wrongly) that there is evidence to support your point?
My initial points were clear:
Noods - if you are going to comment on an argument and call it 'thin' then you should really state the argument your opponent actually advanced rather than the 'straw man' version you and others habitually peddle. You are just being intellectually dishonest - summaries have been made by posters other than the chief if you can't bear to accurately read what he posts.
I haven't noticed the chief really liken OH to Keano either. His criticism of Carrick is surely that he is deficient defensively (not that he's shit overall) and that his weaknesses, mistakes and poor performances are ignored or denied by people who will pick at any possible negative aspects to OH's play.
Then after your attempted 'explanation' and an additional misrepresentation of his views:
The way I read the chief's posts made his points reasonably coherent - it's only your way of presenting them here that makes them seem like an inherent contradiction.
Adding my gloss to make his case clearer, he suggested:
1 That for most of the game (say 70-75 mins) OH marked Kaka out of the game (and neutralised the impact of Gattuso if I remember).
2 After that, since Kaka had been so ineffective and was probably a bit 'down' and Bayern needed to attack more OH was able to stop marking him and free himself to aid the attack more freely.
It's only your portrayal of OH simultaneously marking Kaka out of the game and not bothering marking him (which is not anything the chief actually advanced) that makes it seem a major inconsistency. That inconsistency is something entirely manufactured by yourself rather than your opponent yet you use it as an excuse not to address what he actually says.
Actually, your judgement of the chief going so 'OTT' in his praise for Hargreaves is based on as little actual evidence as the previous remark -what you are reacting to here is what the chief's opponents are suggesting he has said, not what he actually said. You're then treating these misrepresentations as typical of his remarks and reacting accordingly - and you are contributing to those misrepresentations yourself.
That’s not really ‘having a problem with’ you is it? It’s having a problem with what you post – specifically its inaccuracy – especially since this isn’t a ‘tongue in cheek’ remark, this is being presented by you specifically as an argument relating to what the chief actually said:
It’s only once you decided to make entirely false accusations against myself that I started to have a problem with you yourself - as I stated (from memory) ‘I used to have some respect for you’ until that point.
Firstly, your quote of Sincher’s ‘poor evidence’ referred to evidence given by the chief not me.
When I comment on a particular post I certainly am ‘selecting’ that post for attention so the evidence I provide will be selected: it will be that post and those to which it refers. You either don’t provide any evidence or give ‘evidence’ that doesn’t show what you claim – that’s both ‘selective’ and ‘deficient’.
Now it so happens that I'm getting bored with your complete inability to argu a point accuaretly combined with gratuitous insults that constitute libellous allegations...
...so why don't you just stay in the personal dreamworld you inhabit and not bother those of us who are awake?
if i use this quote does it get to page 66?
HARGO'S PLEA: "NOT IN MY NAME"
Owen Hargreaves has finally broken his silence and issued a plea for the interminable
Owen Hargreaves thread to end. Hargreaves, appalled at the way the eponymous
online bickerthon has spiraled out of control, gave an emotional press conference
at Old Trafford's Carrington training ground earlier today.
“Please make it stop now,” begged the German-haired enforcer, “Please. Stop the posts.”
Thread
The internet monstrosity, now sixty-five pages long and still growing at an alarming rate,
began when the Rubberman said something spastic - or possibly didn’t, no-one knows.
Since then, it has mushroomed into an entity of frightening size and scope, swamping
all other attempted discussion and causing electrical storms in Lesotho (at least, according
to notorious liar noodlehair).
Hargo: “It’s surfaced porpoise”.
Ointment factory
And now Hargreaves himself has been drawn into the row. Friends last night described the
bustling Canadian anchorman as “tired”, “concerned” and “fecking average”. Meanwhile,
Chelsea sharpshooter Frank Lampard has offered support to his fellow England midfielder,
saying “It’s a tough situation, definitely. Obviously you don’t want noodle telling all these
lies about you, definitely - especially when you’re already comfort-eating marine mammals
to a certain extent...” adding, “Su’agoaws.”
Brambles
But it’s not just the amazing/rubbish demi-Welsh water-carrier that’s feeling the pressure.
Serious questions are being asked of much-loved Caf personality The Rubberman -
questions like, “What?” and “Do you genuinely believe that?” Some have even suggested
that his entire life might be one enormous, elaborate internet hoax. However, last night
a close friend of the Chief's, who declined to be named, angrily denied the allegation,
commenting, “That’s a heinous lie, a blatant hypocrisy and a libelous infamy.”
He helpfully supplied dictionary definitions of these terms, before adding, “How dare you:
1) wave that self-evidently phallic, nay phallogocentric microphone in my visage?
2) Willfully, flagrantly and with callousness aforethought disagree with me on the internet?
3) Tell pseudologous falsehoods about chickens crossing roads when it is established fact
that chickens live in coops and do not traverse public thoroughfares. .” He then went
purple and threatened to call the police, before mercifully running away.
Owen Hargreaves
But evil bastard noodlehair responded fiercely to the aspersions of the Chief's mysterious ally:
"He's literally the biggest penis I've ever come across," said the mouse-attracting oddball, "And
given my love-life, that's up against some pretty stiff competition...literally".
Owen Hargreaves is twenty-seven, slightly pointless and cost seventeen million pounds.
how about with this one
Trust a Neanderthal like you to call it rambling. I'm just stating the bleeding obvious. My views on Hargreaves' performance and how Bayern faired at home vs Milan are backed up by match reports. Your's by rubbish from the cafe math day threads. Nuff said.
Yep. Such a good perception it is too. The one that made you tell the whole world how we were sure to be hammered by Fulham with the line up we we're starting with. Abusing Fergie for another "spastic episode" according to you, the great football guru. A game we won 3-0 with some comfort. Proving you such a fool.
Petty cheap shots wont deflect from the
fact you often talk rubbish and try to pawn it off as fact. Like you trying to claim I have said Hargreaves is better than Carrick.
You claim it often. Telling us how he is glorious at defending and at passing the ball. Plus how people don't see
"how good he is because he doesn't run around like a head less chicken'
That's a very weak attempt at denying the truth, Noodle. Your Carrick view are well known and almost as biased as Mozza's. So is your penchant for putting words in other posters mouths.
The only person with shit arguments is you. Yet you seem to think others are afflicted with your disease.
surely with this one
Sorry to tell you fella - but the length of each post doesn't affect when 'page throws' come around...
...but I suspect you knew this.
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