it's not about capability.. it's called being smart. hargreaves can and probably should have played 2 games, but carrick, fletcher, and anderson should be good enough to have enough attack/creativity, and defensive capabilities against lyon at home. and yes most people think you should play more open and attacking at home.
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it's not about capability.. it's called being smart. hargreaves can and probably should have played 2 games, but carrick, fletcher, and anderson should be good enough to have enough attack/creativity, and defensive capabilities against lyon at home. and yes most people think you should play more open and attacking at home.
Fergie picked a team with one eye on the quarter finals. He wanted a professional performance, for the team to see out the leg nothing more. Given that Hargreaves was booked in Lyon, SAF might simply have been making sure that Hargreaves didn't pick up another booking which could see him closer to suspension.
I don't think SAF posts on here. He is just expressing an opinion, never have a poster ever claimed they know better than SAF.
Goaless draw would have sufficed. The rest of your comment contradicts your above statement. You're now saying it was clear Fergie needed to bring Hargreaves of the bench, implying SAF got it wrong.
Wise up!
They ran into each other out of panic, brought on by the fact Carrick had left Kaka to Fletcher alone to deal with.
No you are. You keep acting like I've said going away from home isn't a factor. Which I have not. Which I keep telling you. Yet you keep saying the same fecking thing
You are being childish. You are acting like it was the onyl reason we won. Yet it wasn't. Neither was being away from home the only reason we lost. Just tonight, a team with a player who was able to counteract the advantage Milan usually get from having Gattuso in center midfield, just kicked them out. With a key defender missing and key strikers. Proving my earlier points all the more.
Those are just excuses. Masking the real reason that tie was lost. Which was in midfield. Even if Rio , Neville and Vidic had all played. With the midfield we had at the San Siro we were still going to go out. Because our midfield at the San Siro had no answer to the questions Milan posed to it. Having a first choice defence and a fully fit Saha upfront would not have changed that one bit.
Arsenal won last night by playing their natural game. We did not set up to attack Milan in the san siro. Arsenal did. Have you ever thought that perhaps Gattusso had a bad game last night and an inspired one againt us last season.
Maybe the defenders panicked because of what our midfielders were doing and that's why they didn't close the shot down better.
Red, you're the one who keeps telling us that Hargreaves isn't a limited footballer. Why would playing him last night have been pointless?
The Arsenal midfield may not have the passing ability of ours but the one thing they do have is a lot more pace and movement to rip apart slow defensive Italian sides.
All our pace and movement came from Ronaldo/Rooney in the game last season while our midfield sat back and were closed down quickly by Gattuso/Ambrosini. Our midfield was static and shite at the San Siro whereas Fabregas ran the show last evening and then capped it off with a wonder goal.
Last time I looked the likes of Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky were pretty fecking good at passing, and Flamini's decent
that they are. and last night the team the arse played isn't close to the milan sides of the past. injuries have taken their toll. i watch them almost every week in serie a and they struggle in almost every match home or away. their last win was on pipo's first goal of the year and i think it was in injury time.
They are good while playing the quick short passes in triangles whereas Scholes/Carrick are more accurate for passing more than 5 yards.
Last evening when Carrick made a forward run playing quick one-two's with Ronaldo and Rooney, we ripped open Lyon. No matter how good the opposition midfield or defence is, they'll find it difficult to live with that kind of passing and movement. Except Anderson, our other midfielders rarely make such forward runs ahead of the ball, they leave the front 3 isolated against defenders/midfielders.
At the San siro, we needed more such movement ahead of the play from our midfield but they sat back and played into the hands of Gattusso/Pirlo/Ambrosini.
They have generally struggled against sides that have pace, both this season and last. Thats the reason why I posted on the Wenger thread a couple of days ago that Milan will struggle against Arsenal too.
You think Torres is stronger than Rooney and Tevez?
He's faster and more nimble, thats what he is. And I never said he couldnt lead the line, just that its not where he's best - although he's still better doing it than Rooney or Tevez.
So, if Hargreaves' injuries continue should we get rid of him on a free too? Saha on a free
So what's the verdict? Fletcher played the stifling the opposition midfield role and Carrick shielded in front of the back four.
Really, it was an embarassingly easy win for a Champions League knock out tie.
Really, it was an embarassingly easy win for a Champions League knock out tie.
Easy? 1-0 and them getting a hit on the post. ffs
That was the one itchy bum moment - and even then, I would have been surprised if VDS had let it in, had it not hit the post.
The fact is, they barely tested our goal, thanks to a good defensive showing. I was never nervous in that game at all.
FFS.
The yellow card is another good point.
This Hargreaves thread is the longest EVER thread in the Manchester united forum.
Arsenal won by having the right equipment, which allowed them to play their natural game.
Which was never the case for us.
No. Because it's a fecking lame excuse. Flamini just got the better of him. So did Fabregas. Pure and simple.
what a lame reason. We we're dominating the match, our defenders we're also on top of Benzema. He just pulled a rabbit out of the hatDumb question. We have more attack minded players who can contribute more to he attacking football we must play as a home side. That's shouldn't be a question worth asking about. Cause it's freaking obvious
I think he is equally as strong. Which he has proven already in the premiership.
As strong as them too. A thing you got so obviously wrong.
I hardly see the difference. Anyone who watches Torres, sees he leads the line best. He is built for the role
So, if Hargreaves' injuries continue should we get rid of him on a free too? Saha on a free
You're such a moronI'm sorry - but I fail to understand any sane point that you are attempting to make with your drivel.
You misrepresented what the chief said - and you treated what others have said he was saying as if those remarks were accurate when they were just caricatures.
My comments on your remarks were based on the actual words you used, not their misrepresentation by others.
My analysis of what the chief actually meant was confirmed by his later posts.
To what 'logic' do you think my post 'falls victim'?
Perhaps the 'logic' that:
1: My arguments concern the difference between addressing what someone actually posts themselves, and taking advantage by discussing a caricatured, weak variant set up by yourself or someone else.
2: I do the former and criticise the latter.
You do the latter and then post unintelligible, unargued twaddle.
At least it's interesting to read though.
And usually right.
And usually right.
Context?
Well, if it's as I suspect...
Why should we treat remarks that misrepresent another poster's views (that's maintaining that they said something different to what they actually did btw.) as if they were 'right'? More usual descriptions would be 'lying' or 'dishonesty'.
Here's an example:
...and the context here is that the chief never said any such thing - something Noods only admitted when challenged.
LASTLY: apparently pointing this out as an example of 'misrepresentation' is itself 'the victim of its own logic' (unintelligible drivel copyright Noodlehair 2008).
ah, the melodrama that is the Hargreaves sub-forum.
He's a good footballer, is Hargreaves
He's a good footballer, is Hargreaves
of that we have no doubt. The question is that does he seem to fit into our system? Is he worth 18 million quid? Is he a better defensive midfielder than Carrick or Fletcher? Let's discuss
Oh wait...
I'd like to take the following opportunity to introduce a little comic strip from my other thread in the football forum. I think it sums up a few United fans unjust feelings towards Hargreaves.
the originality is greatI'd like to take the following opportunity to introduce a little comic strip from my other thread in the football forum. I think it sums up a few United fans unjust feelings towards Hargreaves.
Pure comedy gold Hats off...I have
Don't play Rooney out of position all the time
Don't play one up front at home
Don't pick a whole team of squad players even against lower league sides
Don't spend eighteen million quid on Owen Hargreaves
Don't sell your best defender over some petty incident and replace him with an old man
Don't get overexcited about some horse and take your eye off the ball for two years
There, if you're online Fergie, read and learn
bingo
I'd like to take the following opportunity to introduce a little comic strip from my other thread in the football forum. I think it sums up a few United fans unjust feelings towards Hargreaves.
Masterpiece!
Great strip.
6 mistakes in 21 years. I'm sure the 9 league trophies and European Cup makes up for it.
Everyone makes mistakes, but as far as SAF goes, he is pretty much beyond reproach in my opinion. Someone who has done so much for the club deserves more respect than he gets from certain United fans.
Yes...although some of the mistakes are repeat mistakes, like Rooney and playing an entire team of squad players....
But it's certainly true that I could also learn a lot from him... like how to manage a football club, how to keep your appetite for success, how not to be a bit of a spastic. It's a mutual learning experience.
I've another one.
"Don't slag off your own fans, especially those that pay your fecking wages."
Amazing riposte, well done
Which particular rant are you referring to?
Well, there wasn't a heck of a lot left to say.
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