fair point, but he's still expected to do more than just OK in Europe, if he's considered to be in the same class as gattuso, etc, especially since that's what he was mainly bought for and all the hargo-fans banging on about his CL experience and what not
Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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fair point, but he's still expected to do more than just OK in Europe, if he's considered to be in the same class as gattuso, etc, especially since that's what he was mainly bought for and all the hargo-fans banging on about his CL experience and what not
Oh...maybe Juninho decided to go missing on his own or was he tracking the brilliant runs that Scholes/Anderson was making ? He was taken out of the game by Hargreaves and would have humiliated us if Carrick had started.
It has been proved often enough and thats the reason why Hargreaves starts ahead of him and will start ahead of him.
Precisely
Right because Carrick has been stellar ALL season. Oh wait he hasn't. He was a dog until recently and frankly I don't see why people are wanking over him now.
He loses us possession more than any other player on the pitch with the exception of perhaps Ronaldo.
If Hargreaves started launching a hail mary every time he touched the ball I bet once or twice a month he would setup a goal too.
Carricks second touch today he gave the ball away. It took all of what 30 seconds for him to force a pass that was cut out and could have launched a counter attack for Lyon had they not botched it.
When?How ?Where?
You seem to be forgetting that many players wouldn't have even thought about controlling it in the manner he did. It's surprising he even got the chance to be one on one with the keeper.
Absolute lies and bullshit.You clearly didn't watch tonights game at all or you simply lack a fully funtioning brain
Chief!
Calm down, or you'll have to get your Siamese twin to post.
Anyone who thinks we had a single player who passed the ball badly tonight or thinsk we played ppor football tonigh before the substitutes came on is an absolute fool. Thus declares the chief. Whether you agree or not
Although he needs to improve his finishing ,agreed.
He's crap
It was a fantastic touch but it doesnt take away from the poor finishing. This is not the first time that he has missed great chances.
We know that you hate him.
You get people to stop posting BS then. We didn't play badly tonight. Neither was any single player in our team poor.
Rooneys ability to create chances has never been questioned.
His finishing of late however has been totally dire. Shocking.
Rooney is probably my favorite player on the planet and you'd have to be stevie fecking wonder to not see how poor his finishing has been.
Anyone who thinks we had a single player who passed the ball badly tonight or thinsk we played ppor football tonigh before the substitutes came on is an absolute fool. Thus declares the chief. Whether you agree or not
Football. It's all about opinions. There's not need to start calling people "fools".
Also, you look at the debate too simplistically. No one is saying Hargreaves cannot pass the ball. The general consensus is that he takes to long to make the pass and he is not incisive enough. Carrick is better at it.
Hargreaves had a decent game.
We always play the same stupid fecking system in Europe, and it never works.
The argument has been that Hargreaves would somehow change that.
He's not going to
England fans disliked him prior to the Portugal game, due to his mostly very poor performances.
Bayern Munich arn't very good
No we wouldn't
Christ
Ignore that Noodle fellow. Speaking to him about Hargreaves is like speaking to a wall. He wont listen or grasp a thing
Exactly. Finishing is his major weakness
It's called opinions Chief.
I think your opinion on Hargreaves is BS - do I insult you?
An off par Carrick still suits us much better than Hargreaves
Great post....Carrick came on and his first 4 passes were all Hollywood balls that werent even close to any of our players. One great pass to Nani against Arsenal in about a million attempts this season and he is the dogs bollocks. Is that the only goal scoring chance he has created all season ?
Bayerns werent that poor and i see that you have ignored my point about him being voted best player of the tournament for England.
and he's not. Why would Fergie spend £17M on a rubbish footballer?Why would someone hate a United player?
He just think his rubbish at football.
I thought he was awful today , he offers nothing like Carrick, Scholes or Anderson going forward and I think Carrick offers the defence as much protection, in a much economical manner. 4-4-2 for me with Carrick partnered by either Scholes or Anderson depending on the game.
I disagree. I think our offensive problems are far deeper than any one player. I'll keep them to myself because I'd be called a blasphemer ;p
Absolute lies and bullshit.
Please, please, please don't you ever talk to me again. It sickens me.
It's pretty simple really - Carrick-Scholes = Premier League champions. For one reason and another, that pairing has been disrupted this season and it has cost us a little bit.
I thought he was OK, look what happened in the 26 minutes, Benzema got the ball on the break, we had two players against him, Hargreaves chased Benzema and took the ball. Thats what he is all about.
Seconded.
No one is denying his quality in those aspects.
But to me there is a deep underlying problem with United's team when we play 4-5-1. Rooney is isolated up front. He needs support up front and the natural move is to take Hargreaves out of the side as his attacking contribution is minimal.
I think the expectations are too high for hargreaves. He isn't in the same class as DMs or holding midfielders like Cambiasso or De Rossi, he isn't even as good as Gattuso (watch the Bayern-Milan quarterfinal in Germany last season). He isn't shit either though, that's for sure.
agree. those who post otherwise just denonstrate their ignorance. Total muppets
Scholes should not be playing either, he hasn't the pace to keep up anymore, Anderson and Carrick have the best balance of abilities for the team.
If defence is what he is all about (which i personally think is abominable in a player outside of the actual defence) then his sloppiness in the tackle in our third while playing against such a reknowned dead ball expert in inexcusable
The Real president felt Guti had a great passing range and offered defence as much protection as Makelele but in a more economical manner. We all know how that worked out.
I thought Hargreaves did alright tonight. The problem, or rather, the reason we didn't pass it as well as usual, was the one man up front thing.
It doesn't work. We could get the same effect simply by hitting Wayne Rooney over the head with a tray of drinks for ninety minutes.
It doesn't work. We could get the same effect simply by hitting Wayne Rooney over the head with a tray of drinks for ninety minutes.
yes, I thought exactly the same thing when we played the same formation vs Arsenal at the weekend. way too defensive
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