Come on Klopp, it’s the right thing.
Hansi Flick (sack) watch
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Don't get why everybody rates France so highly. I think they were pretty lucky in 2018 and 2022. Didn't play much different to 2021, just didn't get away with it.
Very defensive style of play which is good in knock out football when you also have a stacked team. Even when they lost to Argentina it took a very soft penalty for Di Maria and then Otamendi weirdly getting no red card for a last man professional foul on the striker (he didn’t even get a yellow!). Basically it’s low risk football with probably the best all round squad.
They've got loads of talent. In terms of quality/attractiveness of football, I can't say many international sides impress me.
They were lucky to reach both the 2018 and 2022 final. I don't think their playstyle increases their chances.
Yeah, in terms of quantity x quality, they are the best side. But they underperform, IMO.
They could definitely play ‘better’ football but then how many teams win a WC without some luck? 2018 I don’t think they were that lucky, which games did they not deserve to win?
2022 England probably should have at least forced extra time being generally better and also missing a peno but otherwise again I don’t remember them being that lucky. Very pragmatic, very basic football but not that lucky.
I agree. Deschamps is very pragmatic. I think someone else would have gotten more out of them, certainly in terms of style. There's no reason why France can't be both attractive and successful.
Remembered the hype about him.
More proof that most managers are beneficial of club's structure and often get exposed later.
More proof that most managers are beneficial of club's structure and often get exposed later.
Every manager who starts Havertz up front eventually pays the price.
Germans quibbling on high efficiency, results oriented football ? Oh the humanity.
1 Euro final and 2 WC ones (+1 won) since 2016 (Let's not forget one Nations League
) speaks for itself.
Deschamps never was a showy manager but he's obviously good at balancing egos and locker rooms which probably explains his longevity besides results (plus not being labeled as a FFF stooge, considering the federation was rocked by a scandal and the historic president being sacked). There's not really anyone that could be seen as an immediate upgrade, and Zidane is the only glamourous prospect.
1 Euro final and 2 WC ones (+1 won) since 2016 (Let's not forget one Nations League
) speaks for itself.Deschamps never was a showy manager but he's obviously good at balancing egos and locker rooms which probably explains his longevity besides results (plus not being labeled as a FFF stooge, considering the federation was rocked by a scandal and the historic president being sacked). There's not really anyone that could be seen as an immediate upgrade, and Zidane is the only glamourous prospect.
They could have been easily 1-3/1-4 down against Barca and 0-2 down against Lyon.....in the end they have won and that is what matters....but this CL tournament wasn't a real CL title for various reasons.
Flick is one of the most overrated coaches ever.
Unfortunate surname but I say give him a go. The Germans have been too nice and politically correct recently.
I would also go for Kuntz. Nagelsmann i am not sure should go to national team football right now, and so soon to a big tournament. He will get big club offers soon during the season/next summer.
I thought Flick would do much better, but it just got worse once he took over from Löw.
I thought Flick would do much better, but it just got worse once he took over from Löw.
Sell Salah, Klopp quits, Van Dyck suspended. Burn baby, burn!
Euro 2000 was Erich Ribbeck.
Should have appointed his son Casey Ryback.
There probably is a consensus by some as well that the standard of the international manager pool is quite low and Flick was seen to be top tier. Luis Enrique another.
May have been lucky in club football, you need multiple examples to see if they're really good or just happen to stumble on an experienced side with minimal guidance needed or club football may suit them and they do very well again with more time.
An age old question is club vs international football. We see players/managers perform well for a club but don't impress internationally and visa versa. Ultimately it's just different, can you perform and make a difference in a limited set of games with players you don't play with often and a coach you don't spend much time with. International football can be looked down upon but it's also a skill and art to consistently do well each tournament.
Imagine getting sacked after friendly match.
German can do a new Joachim löw
German can do a new Joachim löw
Germany has no quality striker right now. Muller hasn't done anything in a cup since 2014, Werner stinks. it's not that good of a roster right now.
Just give it to Voller full-time. He reached the 2002 WC final didn't he? He has unfinished business.
It's weird to think that he started with 7 consecutive wins, was unbeaten for the first 13, and then got sacked by 24 games.
The record recently was pretty horrible to be honest, but they've all come under friendlies. How's competitive matches record was 2 losses out of 16 so essentially it was the friendlies record that killed him.
Harsh sacking obviously but Flick didn't help himself with so much rotation and experimentation during these friendlies.
The record recently was pretty horrible to be honest, but they've all come under friendlies. How's competitive matches record was 2 losses out of 16 so essentially it was the friendlies record that killed him.
Harsh sacking obviously but Flick didn't help himself with so much rotation and experimentation during these friendlies.
Yeah that's why i have doubts about any manager coming to Utd because this club sets them up for failure.
There's van Gaal and Glasner in the budget German department. Would be quite the symbolic act to appoint a foreign coach for the home EC though.
But he's just a cook.
That's what International friendlies are for?
I think they should go all in for Klopp. He's already turned Liverpool into the best team in the world, possibly the best team ever. No reason why he can't do the same with Germany.
There's a former baseball player and coach who shares a surname with him and has the all American first name of Rusty. Just imagine someone managing in England with that name
The issue is Germany doesn't have any competitive matches because they are hosting the Euro next year so there's no qualifying. Therefore while these are technically friendlies, which should allow for rotation etc, there aren't any competitive matches before the Euro you can use to judge him properly.
Could double as the nutritionist and under siege mentality specialist.
It's interesting he got sacked for friendlies. There's no fooling around in today's football. Coming to a big competition though I can understand why people got a little anxious.
I'd love to see Kuntz in charge of Germany
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You weren’t around for Euro 96?
From golden boy to unemployed boy. Life comes at you fast .
Will need to rebuild his reputation again.
Does he have a footballing philosophy? Or he is a pragmatist like Tuchal?
Aye, I suppose there is that. I had totally forgotten about it.
The thing I find weird about Flick is at 58, he hasn't really been around that long as a no.1 coach. Seems he just doesn't have the experience and know how behind him of being able to build and mould a team as the main man.
He worked some years as DoF in Hoffenheim, so he should have more experience in that then most coaches.
But I think he truly doesn't have the necessary qualities in the long run. His Bayern run was unreal and probably everything did match perfectly there - squad, mentality, tactics. He struck gold, but already then it became obvious that he truly is clueless about who to recruit and how to evolve that squad.
Aye, he's almost 60 and his two biggest mangerial/head coach roles were Bayern and Germany national team and he ultimately fecked up both.
I'd say he has. He plays a very high line with aggressive pressing. When everything goes according to plan, this also leads to lots of possession but rather through winning the ball back quickly than retaining it under pressure. I'd say he's similar to Nagelsmann in that sense. They dominated for instance PSG completely doing this but for Germany, it has lead to some really weird stuff. I remember that against Belgium, Lukebakio won the ball a few meters before their own box and only had the goal keeper in front of him. I've never seen something like this in professional football really. Probably 60-70 meters of open space in front of him. In general, it is crazy how exposed the defensive line looks at times. It wasn't like this in the last tournament, though, when our results were a bit unlucky, IMO.
Van Gaal, Nagelsmann, Völler, Sammer seem to be realistic options (not necessarily long term, but for the Euro 2024).
Klopp or Roger Schmidt are also rumuored as candidates, but simply impossible due to their contract situation. Which also seems to be an obstacle for Nagelsmann.
Two years in charge and winning two Bundesliga titles, one UCL, one DFB pokal and the CWC is considered fecking up these days? Flick left Bayern with a win rate of 81,40%. He was in charge for 86 games and had a record of 70W-9D-7L with a +170 GD.
It can be argued his Bayern squad were just ridiculously good but those numbers are impressive as feck.
He could have done more but he walked away to take up the job he just got sacked from.
I'd call that fecking up both.
It is impressive, but if you look closer at how this all evolved you see an absolutely unreal start and after his first CL winning season it slowly degraded and he more or less fell out with the board.
So it is safe to say that the squad he inherited was excellent for the style he wanted to play, but it also becomes obvious that he wasn't great at evolving and selecting the squad to move on.
So in the end he fecked up and saw the NT job as a safe exit from a situation that quickly started to become problematic at the time.
And he never impressed as head coach of the NT.