Idiot but that reaction
Hannibal Mejbri | Joins Burnley
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At United he showed good energy but also looked on verge of being sent off many times. Totally unreliable.
To be fair to him that was his first sending off since August 2021. But when he gets a booking in the first half every coach must feel tempted to sub him. Today’s red card was obviously stupid and immature.
Looked so talented but what an actual piece of shit. Such a low life thing to do.
With hair like that you just knew he had a touch of the Sideshow Bob's about him
Well… YOU’RE onto something
I agree.
Still think there should be a law against guarding the ball at a corner-flag. It's the same as any variety of time-wasting.
I thought the same - extremely stupid rather than outright anger.
Heard he got a red for a "Stamp", whilst I don't like to see that he has deliberately planted his foot on the Stoke player and could have easily stepped over him. It is a lot less than I was expecting, I obviously have a different definition of a "Stamp". I was expecting a Keane on Southgate dynamic.
You often hear Commentators say that a player has "Stamped", when they have arrived late to a challenge and then simply caught or stood on a players little toe.
People seriously think he will get a harsher ban for that when Cunha got two matches and an £80k fine for cowardly elbowing a member of Ipswich staff in the back of the head.
You often hear Commentators say that a player has "Stamped", when they have arrived late to a challenge and then simply caught or stood on a players little toe.
People seriously think he will get a harsher ban for that when Cunha got two matches and an £80k fine for cowardly elbowing a member of Ipswich staff in the back of the head.
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That was the kind of 'stamp' you do as a kid playfighting with your friends where you don't put any weight on it.
Comments made it sound like a vicious assault. Still obviously had to be a red card though.
Comments made it sound like a vicious assault. Still obviously had to be a red card though.
Yeah it's not exactly full blooded that stamp is it. Still, what a numpty.
I feel daft for having such high hopes for him while he was coming through the youth setup. Kid used to get kicked seven shades out of him and would still run the show.
Shame.
I feel daft for having such high hopes for him while he was coming through the youth setup. Kid used to get kicked seven shades out of him and would still run the show.
Shame.
I think he meant that for fun.
Anyhow, shame that his career is on this trajectory now. As for the reaction, I remember Casemiro going through convulsions for a minute after clashing with Onana only to be fine almost immediately after.
I would think so
It is. It goes to show that talent is very hard to judge. That being said, playing professional football means you are much, much bettet than most ever get to be.
he's a funny guy
If he'd been 2 years younger by the time Amorim had come in, feel like he would be electric in that left 10 position.
Personally think he's shown nothing to say he'd be anything like electric anywhere in any big club.
Hard to know, he certainly had good technique on the ball and is a fantastic athlete but he didn't show much end product for us in his cameos here and he has nothing this season for Burnley. It could be argued he is being used as a DM currently and to add to that it appears Burnley play an incredibly negative brand of football at the moment with a lot of 1-0 or 0-0 scorelines so it could be a function of the way Parker is setting up the team. We do have a buyback option and with funds tight it could be something Amorim looks at in the summer.
I highly, highly doubt it.
If we're going to look at Championship midfielders, Hayden Hackney at Middlesbrough & Chris Rigg from Sunderland would probably be better options
I watched him in the youth teams when he was on fire, and my own views around players at that level are that there is an opportunity to strike while the iron is hot regarding their integration into the first team. The wait-and-see/loan-them-out attitude works very rarely.
This last part is definitely true. There are of course exceptions, but of the academy players that have successfully broken through as settled first team players during the last few decades, very few of them went out on multiple loans.
I watched him there too. Way too hot headed and never really obtained the required mental composure to risk integrating into the first team.
Would love to sign Rigg but I imagine there will be a ton of competition. I don't think we are likely to want Hannibal back but I was just speculating on the buy back clause and how low that might be. I don't really think we wanted Alvaro back either but the fact that we held that clause came into play when it looked like Dorgu might not happen.
Any examples?
Amad is a great - and very recent - example of a player who came good after going out on loan. Beckham is a more classic example.
You could argue that Rashford is a good example of why youth players need a spell out on loan. It builds character and teaches them the value of hard graft to earn their place in the team. Also makes them a bit more humble. Januzaj, Lingard and Greenwood could be added to the list of youngsters who were maybe spoiled by the glamour of being fast tracked.
Don't think Amad is considered an academy player. Yes, he was young when we signed him, but I believe he was always considered a first teamer.
O'Shea, Evans, Welbeck, and Cleverley are the only ones I can remember who went out on multiple loans and then came back and nailed down a first team spot. Might be others I'm forgetting though.
Amad wasn’t an academy product but definitely an example of a young player who successfully broke into the first team after multiple loans.
The examples I was looking for were academy products who were a definite success without ever going out on loan. I just think a loan or two is character building. Same with youth products of other clubs. Harry Kane, for example.
They're also overlooking:
- Welbeck - Sunderland
- Evans - Antwerp and Sunderland
- O'Shea - Bournemouth and Antwerp
On the question of loans I really think it comes down to what is the purpose of the loan as opposed to sending them out just because it is seen as the normal next step. The character building is definitely a good shout, roughing it at a lower league club where not everything is done for you can teach a little humility but there has to be a footballing objective too, most would agree the Birmingham loan for Hannibal was a lousy fit and probably derailed him rather than helped him. Amad was set back by a terrible loan to Rangers that made no sense but on the flip side I think the Sunderland loan for him was a great example of getting it right, we just need to be much smarter in agreeing loans and much clearer on what the objectives of the loan are.
Not overlooking those at all, I actually called out those exact examples
Ah, fair enough. The ones that immediately come to mind since 2000 are Fletcher, Januzaj, Rashford, Greenwood, and Mainoo. So yeah, maybe not a huge sample size either way.
I can buy the argument about character building, but I do think the club in that case needs to be more intentional about exactly where and when players go on loan.
Yeah, exactly what I was getting at.
Equally there is:
Fletcher
Mainoo
Rashford
Greenwood
Januzaj
The latter three talents were never in question, they are all victims of the worst period of stability in the clubs modern history (and obvious abhorrent individual discretions which aren't worth discussing here)
At other clubs there has been Curtis Jones who is a centurion for Liverpool. Nwaneri and Lewis-Skelley look like they are going to stay in the Arsenal line-up.
I hink loans CAN work, particularly when it is down to a player who plays in a position that is well covered in terms of quality/depth (Evans behind Ferdinand, Vidic, Brown, Silvestre, Pique for example, Lingard and Welbeck in similar situations at the time of their loans) just for me I think it isn't a good solution in most cases.
Lingard had 4 separate loans in the championship over two or three years from 2012-15, and only broke into our first team around the age of 22/23. So I definitely wouldn't class him as being fasttacked the same as teenagers like Rashford, Greenwood, Mainoo, Garnacho...
Ok, good point. I got that wrong. Although I also think his issue was more about talent than attitude.
Agree - for all his clownish antics, he was actually a pretty hard worker IIRC. Just not the best footballer.
As for Hannibal, regardless of all this loan discourse, I personally don't think he would have made it here either way.
Yeah plus he had a hell of a lot of shit to deal with away from the pitch. So has a solid excuse if his head wasn’t in the game at times.
Always felt that his temperament would always hold him back
Personally I think he was more talented than given credit for. Remember his “Messi Lingard” moments versus Leicester (must have dribbled half the team to score), Watford, his volley on the turn versus Chelsea(?) and his cup final strike versus Palace.
Unfortunately his head went, mixture of huge issues at home, depression and toxic feedback from United fans. By that stage his head was gone and all United fans could see was annoying dance memes
A young Lingard would probably do well in this formation, pace, stamina, workrate. Remember LVG started playing him as a WB until he broke his leg(?) then he went to Birmingham scored 3 or 4 on his debut I think
Anyways, probably deserves it’s on thread
That does seem to be the big issue, yeah.
Though he also used to display plenty of ability on the ball as a passer and with driving runs forward. So if he was still that kind of player - mixed with his committed attitude - you could have more patience while he dealt with his temperament issue.
The main problem is that he's just become too much of a madcap, energetic, scrappy type midfielder and his on the ball ability seems to have dropped off considerably. So you can find those kinds of players easily, and without the temperament issues.
I'm really not sure how or why his development veered off course. I don't think we helped him at all - he was used in all kinds of midfield positions, while getting no protection from the refs for the opposition fouling him all game. And then the rare first team minutes he got was often as a false striker, or just as a madcap midfielder to offer energy. Neither gave him much of a chance to showcase his technical ability.
We seemed to help in removing the classy ball playing midfielder that he started off as. And I think he'd be a much classier player now had he remained in France. Not least because he'd have got more protection from refs at youth levels so wouldn't have become such a scrappy battler - and probably wouldn't have needed it as much anyway as he wouldn't have stuck out so much as he did here and wouldn't have been such a targeted player.