Gun shots outside Parliament: Police shoot assailant following car attack on Westminster Bridge

Ah, that's how it happened. Never really considered the etymology. Saying that, isn't Oriental the east, as opposed to Occidental, the wes?

There's an insurance company call the Occidental, which complicated matters further.
 
Ah, that's how it happened. Never really considered the etymology. Saying that, isn't Oriental the east, as opposed to Occidental, the wes?

Also the famous book by Edward Said called Orientalism had the effect of helping to turn any derivative of Orient into a pejorative.
 
As it seems as if this is indeed the guy, how long before we get Farage and the Kippers demanding a travel ban within the Commonwealth?
Is this guy not English?

Travel ban would not have stopped him if he was
 
Also the famous book by Edward Said called Orientalism had the effect of helping to turn any derivative of Orient into a pejorative.
Shame. I always saw the word positively- Oriental sounds exotic and cool. If you ignore Leyton Orient.
 
Apparently the guy being blamed is still in prison?
 
If it is confirmed Trevor Brooks aka "Abu Izzadeen" was the person it's a shame the authorities did not listen to ordinary Muslims for years. We have been complaining about Anjum Choudhry and his associates for years.

In fact, you will find threads on this forum of me and other Muslims being highly critical of Al-Muhajirun group.
 
If it is confirmed Trevor Brooks aka "Abu Izzadeen" was the person it's a shame the authorities did not listen to ordinary Muslims for years. We have been complaining about Anjum Choudhry and his associates for years.

In fact, you will find threads on this forum of me and other Muslims being highly critical of Al-Muhajirun group.
They might listen to you now, should have done it ages ago.
 
Apparently the guy being blamed is still in prison?
Well apparently both ITV and C4 are saying it's him, but a BBC Newsnight reporter says a source has told him he's still in jail. At the moment I'd wait until the BBC itself confirms.
 
As it seems as if this is indeed the guy, how long before we get Farage and the Kippers demanding a travel ban within the Commonwealth?

Probably what Farage was talking about when he said "You'll find out soon" regarding his talks with Assange.
 
There's a time and place for political point scoring. The immediate aftermath of a deadly attack, is not it.

Oh stop it, I'll react how I want thank you very much. Not that it's any of your business, but there's nothing even remotely political about my post.
 
Whether he's the perp or not, and probably not on the face of it. I would much rather the Abu Izzadeens of this world were out in the public square than hidden away in the back rooms of mosques.

I'd also leave them to fend for themselves if any other group came along to kick their heads in.
Just wondering, though I could probably guess the answer, are you against Sharia law?
 
Oh stop it, I'll react how I want thank you very much. Not that it's any of your business, but there's nothing even remotely political about my post.

If you're going to make statements on a forum it's everybody's business and right to respond. That's how things work around here.

Maybe wait another hour or two before lamenting the conduct and culpability of the west in relation to these types of events and people won't call you out on it.
 
So the attacker (if indeed the story is true) is a convert. Probably the most dangerous group, followed by those from a Muslim background who largely ignored their mainstream religious upbringing before suddenly "reconnecting" under the malign influence of a radical preacher.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever stamp this out as, looking beyond this particular religion, it's basically a question of misfits suddenly finding something that explains their inadequacies and puts them at the centre of the drama. Even in Europe, we had the appeal of quasi-religions such as fascism and communism giving various inadequates a sense of power over others, and there might be other such poisons to come.

Until then, gather intelligence, intelligence and more intelligence and try to ignore the siren voices of the likes of Farage and Le Pen.
 
Shariah law dictates Muslims follow the laws and rules of the country of residence.

Do you really believe a few Millon Muslims are so powerful as to overthrow UK's constitution and democracy?

Apologies for being off topic.
 
The law changing in what sense? Allowing Islamic extremists to freely air their vileness in public rather than keeping them underground?

What laws there are to prevent the dissemination of terrorist propaganda in the UK are barely implemented and totally insufficient in any case.
Well you seemed to suggest you wouldn't see assault as assault if it was aimed at them.
 
So the attacker (if indeed the story is true) is a convert. Probably the most dangerous group, followed by those from a Muslim background who largely ignored their mainstream religious upbringing before suddenly "reconnecting" under the malign influence of a radical preacher.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever stamp this out as, looking beyond this particular religion, it's basically a question of misfits suddenly finding something that explains their inadequacies and puts them at the centre of the drama. Even in Europe, we had the appeal of quasi-religions such as fascism and communism giving various inadequates a sense of power over others, and there might be other such poisons to come.

Until then, gather intelligence, intelligence and more intelligence and try to ignore the siren voices of the likes of Farage and Le Pen.
Absolutely, this
 
I dont agree at all, nor have I ever seen any major organisation classify Arabian countries as Asian.
Geographically, yes the middle east is part of Asia. But I agree, if you think of an Asian person you will think of either someone from Japan/China/Korea i.e. the far east or else someone from India/ Pakistan.

Technically, something like 21% of Russia is in the continent of Europe and the rest is in Asia.
 
Whether he's the perp or not, and probably not on the face of it. I would much rather the Abu Izzadeens of this world were out in the public square than hidden away in the back rooms of mosques.

I'd also leave them to fend for themselves if any other group came along to kick their heads in.
should that also include Farage et al? Hate speech comes in all guises.

Im interested where and how you define the line?
 
I have no idea. If sentenced in January 2016 for two years, he should still be in jail unless there are reasons which allowed him to be released earlier. Given his record though, I'd be surprised if that had happened.

I'm by no means though an expert in the field, perhaps somebody with more knowledge can chime in.
If you get sentenced to two years in prison, you will probably be out in one or just over with good behaviour, meaning it is possible that that man is out. Whether or not he committed the attacks today is another matter.
 
So the attacker (if indeed the story is true) is a convert. Probably the most dangerous group, followed by those from a Muslim background who largely ignored their mainstream religious upbringing before suddenly "reconnecting" under the malign influence of a radical preacher.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever stamp this out as, looking beyond this particular religion, it's basically a question of misfits suddenly finding something that explains their inadequacies and puts them at the centre of the drama. Even in Europe, we had the appeal of quasi-religions such as fascism and communism giving various inadequates a sense of power over others, and there might be other such poisons to come.

Until then, gather intelligence, intelligence and more intelligence and try to ignore the siren voices of the likes of Farage and Le Pen.

Very comprehensive and empathic post. The key is the reactions of the 99.9% law abiding British muslim population: somebody in this demographic will have prior knowledge of these attacks.

Islamaphobia and indiscriminate suspicion is the worst way to encourage law abiding Muslims to report close ones to the authorities for punishment. I think UK does quite a good job in making the distinction, French and US politicians have made irreversible mistakes in this regard.
 
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Oh stop it, I'll react how I want thank you very much. Not that it's any of your business, but there's nothing even remotely political about my post.

You're posting on a public forum. What you say is everyone's business. Otherwise have the conversation in private. I wasn't the only one who thought this was inappropriate. But I've said all I have to say about it. Jog on.