Guardian: Nani Eyes Italy Transfer | Nani: "Reports are false, I love United"
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So apparently we're selling Rooney and Nani.....the media are lame.
Nah, according to some in this thread this sort of thing began with Rooney. Despite the fact that both the Vidic and Evra camps were doing it the season before not to mention countless others before them.
Players' reps will always be in contact with the press and will brief them on these sorts of things as a negotiating tactic. Journos know the game as well as they do. It's why both Vidic and Evra were so equivocal on the rare occasions they talked about it, right up to the point where they got what they want.
I dont get the all the Daniel Taylor hatred. He usually writes quite well and he is generally well informed on all things United ( and city for this matter ), he seems to have good sorces as he broke the Bebe and Rooney stories as far as I can remember. Just because he doesnt always write article completely pro United doesnt make him an idiot.
Anyway, nothing to see here. Looks like Mendes wants a new contract for his man
Anyway, nothing to see here. Looks like Mendes wants a new contract for his man
Taylor on Bebe:
On Anderson after the League Cup knock-out by Coventry:
SAF on the same match:
Other recent speculative stories with no quotes:
Nani let down by Manchester United's silence over Jamie Carragher | Football | guardian.co.uk
On SAF "snubbing the press after the loss at Liverpool" (even though he'd snubbed them for several days prior to the match and would have continued to do so regardless of the result):
Manchester United's Sir Alex Ferguson snubs press after Anfield defeat | Football | The Guardian
Also on the Liverpool match:
No, course we didn't Dan...
Also on the Liverpool match:
Yeah, another barefaced lie there Dan: BBC Sport - Football - Aston Villa 2-2 Man Utd
Another moment of God-like insight:
Darron Gibson proves he is no Paul Scholes for Manchester United | Daniel Taylor | Football | The Guardian
Generally the guy talks out of his arse. Seems to have a history of completely fabricating stories.
Posting articles from Daniel Taylor should be banned on this forum. He actually admits to being ABU.
He does? Where? When?
This article is bollocks.
He backtracks in the middle of it and admits it could be a Vidic/Evra scenario, where their heads were turned by they ended up staying. Or maybe they were always staying?
He backtracks in the middle of it and admits it could be a Vidic/Evra scenario, where their heads were turned by they ended up staying. Or maybe they were always staying?
media witch-hunt against us they say the same things too about Evra and Vidic, now they are saying the same for Nani and Rooney, feck the hell off....
Yeah right
No quotes and cant even be specific about a team. We arent selling him to the Italian National team are we. I'll start to listen when he's being linked with Madrid...
Already has according to The Scum sorry The Sun...wankers!
Wants a pay rise.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
To be fair, when a story is in pretty much every paper there tends to be some sort of fire to go with the smoke. Mendes tried playing the same game with Ronaldo, we said no deal and the long-term "dream" move became an immediate desire.
I reckon he's up to his old tricks again(with Nani's form and Rooney's pay hike very much in mind)except maybe this time the player would, when push comes to shove, probably prefer to stay at the club. I recognise that the club can't/shouldn't hand out extensions willy-nilly, especially after the player in question signed one only a year ago, however I do think that sometimes an exception should be made in light of a player showing consistently superb form, who has become a mainstay of the side, and who's salary doesn't reflect that status at the time(as we're lead to believe Nani's doesn't compared to the likes of Rooney, Berbatov, Rio, etc). It's a dangerous game to alienate a key player and especially one who's agent is reknowned for whoring his client around and doing deals prior to any agreement between the club's.
Having said all that, I'm sure he could make ends meet on £60,000 a week. OK, he and Mendes probably feel he merits parity with player's he's outperforming comfortably and is more/just as important as but come on...how much money do footballer's actually need?
I reckon he's up to his old tricks again(with Nani's form and Rooney's pay hike very much in mind)except maybe this time the player would, when push comes to shove, probably prefer to stay at the club. I recognise that the club can't/shouldn't hand out extensions willy-nilly, especially after the player in question signed one only a year ago, however I do think that sometimes an exception should be made in light of a player showing consistently superb form, who has become a mainstay of the side, and who's salary doesn't reflect that status at the time(as we're lead to believe Nani's doesn't compared to the likes of Rooney, Berbatov, Rio, etc). It's a dangerous game to alienate a key player and especially one who's agent is reknowned for whoring his client around and doing deals prior to any agreement between the club's.
Having said all that, I'm sure he could make ends meet on £60,000 a week. OK, he and Mendes probably feel he merits parity with player's he's outperforming comfortably and is more/just as important as but come on...how much money do footballer's actually need?
Maybe but perhaps they really were willing to listen to offers from other clubs?
It's not that big a deal, to be honest. Stands to reason that every footballer will at least want to hear about the options available to them before they enter into negotiations over a new contract. This doesn't make them disloyal or unhappy at United, it just means they're being pragmatic and want to make sure the club pays them what they're worth.
I'm sure Nani will be rewarded soon enough for his dramatic improvement over the last 12-18 months. The club has always been quick to ensure our best performers get a contract that reflects their contribution.
I agree with this. I would be surprised if we didn't offer some improved contract next summer if he carries on his progression.
Yeah, that's the one bit of blatant bollox in the article. The statement that the club won't even consider offering improved terms because there's 3 years left on his contract. Didn't Hernandez just get a hefty pay-rise barely 6 months into his?
Did he? I presume they were trying to head off the situation where one of our best/most in form players was one of the lowest paid in the whole squad which might bring with it a dissatisfaction as to his lot at the club.
Totally agree. It's something that we all do in our own working lives. As you say, you find out what others are willing to pay and it potentially strengthens your hand in negotiations.
For me, the big flaw in this article is the premise that he's interested in Italy. He'd be going to Spain, if anywhere. The notion that he feels he's achieved it all at United is also absurd - he's produced only just over a year of world class form. He needs to produce this level of performance for at least two more full seasons before we can talk about him having achieved everything.
Yep, Pogue is spot on there.
That's news to me, he's still on the one he signed when he joined as far as I know.
The 1st team extensions we've handed out this season are Vidic, Rooney, Anderson, Evra, Carrick, and Fletcher in that order IIRC.
The Rooney one is without doubt the bone of contention here though. Nani can rightly feel that he's outperformed Rooney at every turn this season and the back end of 2009-10, that's 18 months of being consistently better than the guy who's just creamed 200k per week off the club with bully-boy negotiation tactics. It's a natural reaction to think "I should be a lot closer to him" when it comes to the pay stakes. And the methods Rooney and his agent used to get that contract will only open a can of worms for other player's and their agents(especially Mendes)to play the same game.
My own impression remains though that Nani is happy here and less inclined to move on than someone like Ronaldo whom we all knew was Madrid-bound at some point.
Hernandez was, I guess, on peanuts when he arrived but could easily finish the season having scored 20 goals so it makes sense to upgrade his contract. I'm not sure the same argument could be made for Nani though... If anything, I'd say Nani still owes the club a fair bit before he can start calling shots in contract negotiations but that's not how agents work. You can see why SAF is getting heartily sick of this side of the game - constantly striving to help players improve only for their agents to immediately try and screw the club for all they can in return. He can't win really...
Here are details of Hernandez pay rise for those that missed it.
Football | Barclays Premier League | Hernandez to enjoy Man United reward | ESPNSTAR.com
Or if you like your headlines on the punnier side.
Javier Hernandez set for pay rise at Manchester United | The Sun |Sport|Football
'What a nice little Hern-er'
Football | Barclays Premier League | Hernandez to enjoy Man United reward | ESPNSTAR.com
Or if you like your headlines on the punnier side.
Javier Hernandez set for pay rise at Manchester United | The Sun |Sport|Football
'What a nice little Hern-er'
That's bollox, for a start. Nani turned the corner just after Christmas last season, at a time when Rooney was also in scintillating form. He only out-performed Rooney for a month or two at the end of last season when Rooney was either injured, or rushed back from injury. So far this season, Nani has out-performed him in the opening months and they've been about on a par since Christmas. Hardly "18 months" out-performing him.
As for Rooney's contract, it was a reward for consistently being one of our two or three most important and influential players going back several years. When the same can be said about Nani, he can expect a similar level of reward.
Except it hasn't been signed and is another tabloid tale, just like this Nani story actually. Interesting how the potential good news without any quotes or club confirmation is treated as gospel and potential bad news is treated as "bollocks", "ABU drivel" and the like
Not really. All you need is for one paper to report something and the rest will copy it. One journalist tweets a dozen or so words in an evening and the next day reports in hundreds of papers and blogs will have grown that seed into a full page report. They can then keep on going over the subject in the following weeks, using the fact there has been no further news rather unconventionally to imply that means it is bad news. The way the media works nowadays is a big joke.
That's not to say Nani might not want to leave or might be angling for a payrise - which he deserves.
Fair enough, the 18 month comment was a rough, and give or take a few months, fairly accurate timeline. I'm not going to get further into that because it's very much a minute detail in the bigger picture, ie. the general point.
Absolutely, but footballer's and especially agents don't think or work that way, no matter how rational it is. From their POV, it's a short career and when they feel rightly or wrongly(rightly this time IMO)that they are outperforming some, if not all their top earning team-mates, they aren't going to hang around and politely continue earning vastly less despite becoming just as important to the team and showing consistently more impressive form over a long period of time(a year, 18 months or whatever figure you feel is more accurate).
I'd disagree with this, Nani has been far, far more influential over the course of the last 15 months. Rooney was in form the first 3 months on 2010 (arguably more in form than Nani), but over the last 12 months Nani has been in a different league (bar the odd game).
I'd say it is perfectly reasonable to say that on a whole Nani has been better over the last 18 months.
I also think Rooney's pay-rise didn't really have much to do with him playing for us for a few years. It was more to do with him having 18 months left on his contract and therefore being in an incredibly strong negotiating position (coupled with his reputation worldwide, which I guess you could argue is down to his performances over the last x years). The £200+k a week would have been more to protect his capital value than what his performances warrented.
Well because they broke a story in 2007 announcing his signing, this must be true!
What utter bollocks.
Very good points. Saved me a job of stomping over that particular ground once again.
The Rooney saga was concluded to his satisfaction simply because he was in the driving seat and we needed to protect his market value. Right now, we have the power over Nani and Mendes, but in 18 months time, they will hold the cards and that's where our attitude to renewals is flawed IMO. OK, you can leave the likes of Carrick, Fletcher, and the older player's contracts until 1-2 years prior to expiry but with the likes of Nani, Rooney, and Vidic it's a dangerous game to play. They aren't loyal to the club like the above mentioned player's, nor do they see United as the pinnicle of their careers because from their POV, they can go to equally prestigious club's and earn what they deem themselves worth there.
I'm not saying we should hand out new contracts on the whim of every player and his agent but we need to be more flexible when it comes to exceptional player's who we could really do without alienating and creating long-term doubts over. We made an exception with Vidic and need to do so with Nani before his head gets turned IMO. We left Rooney and Evra's old contracts run far too close for comfort when taking into consideration the modern day agents, their influence over clients, and the vultures like Madrid that continue to sniff around. Those player's futures were eventually sorted in our favour but one of these days we'll not be so lucky.
18 months ago was September 2009. A date that was followed by Rooney playing almost 6 months of his most effective football in a United shirt..
You could maybe argue Nani's been better for the last 12 months but that would include an entire off-season when neither of them kicked a ball for United and assume that Nani's been the better player throughout 2011 (which I would disagree with)
So all in all, no, it's not really reasonable to claim Nani's been the better player for 18 months.
You guess? Of course it's down to his performance over the last few years. Which is my point.
Nani's very quickly approaching a similar level of importance to the team but he's not there yet. If he keeps up his current level of performance it won't be long before he's one of our highest earners.
Anyone on twitter should check out the argument between David McDonnell (@discomirror) of the mirror and Neil custis (@ncustisthesun), hilarious.
Again, on my opinion of each's performances for the club I disagree. Rooney was great and much better Oct-Nov-Dec '10, I believe they were similar Jan-Feb-March '11 and April-May-Sept-Oct-Nov-Dec-Jan-Feb (so far) I think Nani has been ranging from far superier to superier. For what it's worth Rooney has been the better player this month so far, but lets be fair in that time we've lost 2, won 1.
So yes, it is reasonable to say Nani has been superior over the last 18 months, on the basis of 3-3-8 (discounting Summer breaks).
I'm of the belief that his reputation isn't just down to his performances, it's down to the fact that he burst onto the scene for Everton at such a young age and was English had a huge part to play. The media portrayed him to be England's savior and his marketing value shot up accordingly. Compare his reputation worldwide to Scholes/Giggs at 24 and you'll see that it isn't just performances that give you the rep.
That isn't to say that he isn't an incredibly important part of the team, but his name and contract situation got him the £200+k.
You've just been hung by your own maths. Read your own post again. It doesn't come close to justifying Nani as the better player for 18 months. You've basically agreed he was the better player for a period of 8 months, at most.
Rooney for 3, equal for 3 and Nani for 8?
Exactly. Not Nani for 18.
Over the 18 months if you are worse for 3, the same for 3 and better for 8 that almost certainly makes you the better performer over said period...
I think they both meant that over the course of the last 18 months, overall, Nani's been more influential. Not that he's been better in 18 seperate months.