Film Greta Gerwig's BARBIE (Margot Robbie/Ryan Gosling)

macheda14 said:
Because it has two excellent witters, a great director and a stacked cast.
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Yet it still looks absolutely shite.

Might be harsh to judge a film on a trailer but this is ostensibly a funny movie and every single gag in that trailer is a gold-plated turd. Plus the whole premise is fecking gash. Would be a miraculous turnaround if it’s anything other than wank. So the clever money is on it being wank.
 
Let’s all be honest nobody is excited about this for any other reason than the fact that we’re all deep down Barbie girls living in Barbie worlds.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You can predict basically every “funny” bit in the whole shit show. Oh how we will laugh when Ken is revealed to lack genitals…
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:lol:

My only hope for this is that Margot Robbie's genitalia receives the same spotlight.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Might be harsh to judge a film on a trailer
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Correct. Should have ended your post there.

Always puzzled me this internet thing where some people are desperate to convince others that they're fools for being excited about something.
 
Jev said:
Correct. Should have ended your post there.

Always puzzled me this internet thing where some people are desperate to convince others that they're fools for being excited about something.
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It’s easily explainable though. It’s all about opinions. People have opinions about something and about other people’s opinions on that thing. So if you hang out on a place where opinions are shared…
 
PROMTHEUS !! we all thought that would be great after the 1st trailer.
 
I’m surprised that Barbie is being played by someone white

Ryan Gosling is the worst actor I’ve ever seen
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Looks absolutely shite. Cannot for the life of me work out why any grown adult would pay money to watch this in the cinema. But ho hum, there’s obviously a market. Twitter is giddy as feck about it.
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My thoughts too. The clamour from grown caftards is a surprise to me
 
I love the lengths people are going to to justify watching this. Oh and apparently Kleenex stocks have risen in line with the release of this trailer.
 
I'm a film buff. I watch films. I will judge this when I've viewed it. Plus the people involved in this are creators I'm fond of and have in the past turned out some good enjoyable films.
 
The "I can't imagine grown adults wanting to see this" line is far more tedious than people being interested in the film. I don't know why people are pretending that there aren't any valid reasons why someone might be interested in it.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
The "I can't imagine grown adults wanting to see this" line is far more tedious than people being interested in the film. I don't know why people are pretending that there aren't any valid reasons why someone might be interested in it.
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:lol:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It’s easily explainable though. It’s all about opinions. People have opinions about something and about other people’s opinions on that thing. So if you hang out on a place where opinions are shared…
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But you've convinced yourself that a two hour movie will definitely be utter crap based on a 90 second trailer whereas others are just optimistic based on the filmmaker's previously impeccable taste. Hardly equivalent.
 
afrocentricity said:
My thoughts too. The clamour from grown caftards is a surprise to me
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The only clamour is coming from those for whom it's apparently very important to show how stupid other people are for wanting to watch a movie made by incredibly talented people.
 
Jev said:
But you've convinced yourself that a two hour movie will definitely be utter crap based on a 90 second trailer whereas others are just optimistic based on the filmmaker's previously impeccable taste. Hardly equivalent.
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I thought it would be utterly crap based on the premise from day one. Everything I’ve read about it since has done nothing to alter that. The trailer was just the nail in the coffin.

I’m not a massive fan of Greta Gerwig though. Which is a big reason why I don’t share your optimism. I thought Ladybird was decent but not amazing. And mainly because Saoirse Ronan was so good in it. The film itself didn’t grab me at all. The whole mumblecore stuff leaves me cold. Just feels pretentious and irritating. Can’t begin to imagine how it would translate to a good film about a toy doll.
 
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Ibi Dreams said:
The "I can't imagine grown adults wanting to see this" line is far more tedious than people being interested in the film. I don't know why people are pretending that there aren't any valid reasons why someone might be interested in it.
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As someone that isn't much into movies and saw the trailers, I genuinely can't find any valid reasons for anyone to be interested in it. Now I realize that I'm lacking in cinematography culture and that these trailers are maybe good but it's not what I feel.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I thought it would be utterly crap based on the premise from day one. Everything I’ve read about it since has done nothing to alter that. The trailer was just the nail in the coffin.

I’m not a massive fan of Greta Gerwig though. Which is a big reason why I don’t share your optimism. I thought Ladybird was decent but not amazing. And mainly because Saoirse Ronan was so good in it. The film itself didn’t grab me at all. The whole mumblecore stuff leaves me cold. Just feels pretentious and irritating. Can’t begin to imagine how it would translate to a good film about a toy doll.
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Watched Little Women? None of the mumblecore roots (which there clearly isn't in Barbie either so not sure why that'd be relevant), just a pitch-perfect, subversive adaptation of soapy, sugar-coated source material. Which would seem like a pretty good omen. (I agree that Lady Bird, for all its undoubted qualities, was slightly annoying in parts).
 
Jev said:
The only clamour is coming from those for whom it's apparently very important to show how stupid other people are for wanting to watch a movie made by incredibly talented people.
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It's weird for me being on the other side with Mockney et all...

It's a Barbie movie and most of us have no reason to believe a Barbie movie would be good. Don't ignore the fact that, the directors/writers are not household names, and without that, what's compelling?
 
afrocentricity said:
It's weird for me being on the other side with Mockney et all...

It's a Barbie movie and most of us have no reason to believe a Barbie movie would be good. Don't ignore the fact that, the directors/writers are not household names, and without that, what's compelling?
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Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach are absolutely household names among people interested in movies, both respected for making clever, witty, well-written movies, with Gerwig in particular one of the most interesting young filmmakers at the moment. Besides, there's a bit of a "how dare they make a movie with women as the primary audience" vibe to this thread.
 
Jev said:
Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach are absolutely household names among people interested in movies, both respected for making clever, witty, well-written movies, with Gerwig in particular one of the most interesting young filmmakers at the moment. Besides, there's a bit of a "how dare they make a movie with women as the primary audience" vibe to this thread.
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I watch more movies than most and I've never heard of them. I watch mainly mainstream movies though tbf (had to look up what mumblecore was and was half expecting a type of porn), and that's the point I'm making. As for the rest of your post, are you really that shocked that a Barbie movie isn't being universally lapped up on a football forum?
 
Gerwig's had two films nominated for best picture at the Oscars in the last 10 years. She's absolutely a mainstream filmmaker
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Gerwig's had two films nominated for best picture at the Oscars in the last 10 years. She's absolutely a mainstream filmmaker
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Give me another word for your average person (that makes up the majority) that's never heard of them? Couldn't tell you what the last few years Oscar nominations/wins were I stopped watching years ago.... I'm not claiming to be a film expert.

I can only speak for myself and it can't be that hard to imagine there are others like me tbh.
 
Today I will remind everyone that Noah Baumbach's latest film was a god awful adaptation of White Noise. I paid £7 to watch that trash.

This though looks fairly harmless? I mean what could you possibly expect from a Barbie movie except for lots of bright colours and a shallow as hell plot.
 
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afrocentricity said:
I watch more movies than most and I've never heard of them. I watch mainly mainstream movies though tbf (had to look up what mumblecore was and was half expecting a type of porn), and that's the point I'm making. As for the rest of your post, are you really that shocked that a Barbie movie isn't being universally lapped up on a football forum?
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If you've never heard of them, then I struggle to believe you watch more movies than most. Little Women by Gerwig was nominated for six Oscars, including best picture, leading actress, screenplay. Same with Marriage Story by Baumbach. These are not some obscure indie filmmakers (anymore).
 
afrocentricity said:
I watch more movies than most and I've never heard of them. I watch mainly mainstream movies though tbf (had to look up what mumblecore was and was half expecting a type of porn), and that's the point I'm making. As for the rest of your post, are you really that shocked that a Barbie movie isn't being universally lapped up on a football forum?
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To be fair the only reason I looked at the thread was because it was a Barbie movie. The reason it's not lapped up is because the trailers are genuinely terrible which could be unfortunate if the movie happens to be good.
 
It’s basically a 2 hour advert. It’s actually amazing that they got such accomplished people involved in something so daft.
 
I don't think it will be terrible. I suspect that it will be an extremely bland and derivative exercise in corporate content creation, in keeping with the expectations of a consumer product with $100 million behind it.

It will be hugely successful, it will satisfy a broad range of content consumers with its thought to be risque double entendre, its thought to be smart postmodernisms, its thought to be subversive self-deprications. If you loved Barbie there will be the nostalgia tugging moment, if you didn't you can enjoy all the "oh no they didn't" take down memes.

What I don't think it will be is in any way interesting, smart, insightful or original. The Brady movie came out 30 years ago and since then there have been a constant stream of films that have ribbed, skewed, and romanticised childhood nostalgia, often with a focus towards the consumer toys market. Adam and Joe, The Karen Carpenter Story, Toy Story, Lego are just a few examples of it done with a degree of wit. It is now its own genre, and one that has become increasingly formulaic and pro-corporation. When Disney goes on a 15 minute excoriation of its own princess legacy in Wreck it Ralph 2 for a series of the lamest gags, you can see that the satire has been defanged, brought in house and controlled to within an inch of its life. Everything in the trailer is indicative of this lack of bite and imagination.

As a product it will be a hit but as a piece of filmmaking it'll be junk and just another example of corporate stodge for people to fill up on.

I don't even think that Barbie is a terrible idea for a film. Give it to a transgressive visualist with a bold vision, add an insightful script and remove it from the grip of it's owners and you could actually say something. Guffawing at the Drive guy in pastels is the other type of thing.
 
Jev said:
If you've never heard of them, then I struggle to believe you watch more movies than most. Little Women by Gerwig was nominated for six Oscars, including best picture, leading actress, screenplay. Same with Marriage Story by Baumbach. These are not some obscure indie filmmakers (anymore).
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I watch tonnes of films, never heard of em either. Think it depends on the type of films you watch.
 
Jev said:
If you've never heard of them, then I struggle to believe you watch more movies than most. Little Women by Gerwig was nominated for six Oscars, including best picture, leading actress, screenplay. Same with Marriage Story by Baumbach. These are not some obscure indie filmmakers (anymore).
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This is crazy, only on the internet would I be getting push back on this. If I asked the question on all my socials and stipulated do not Google.... A handful of people out of hundreds would probably know who they were. People really struggle with picturing something outside of their own reality...


A month from now I'll probably have forgotten who they are again.
 
Jev said:
If you've never heard of them, then I struggle to believe you watch more movies than most. Little Women by Gerwig was nominated for six Oscars, including best picture, leading actress, screenplay. Same with Marriage Story by Baumbach. These are not some obscure indie filmmakers (anymore).
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KirkDuyt said:
I watch tonnes of films, never heard of em either. Think it depends on the type of films you watch.
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afrocentricity said:
This is crazy, only on the internet would I be getting push back on this. If I asked the question on all my socials and stipulated do not Google.... A handful of people out of hundreds would probably know who they were. People really struggle with picturing something outside of their own reality...

A month from now I'll probably have forgotten who they are again.
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It's more accurate to say people who read about movies are more likely to know who they are.

Both have become more mainstream in recent years - for lack of a better word - but they're still best known for working on the fringe of the studio system. Darlings of Little White Lies readers etc.
 
afrocentricity said:
This is crazy, only on the internet would I be getting push back on this. If I asked the question on all my socials and stipulated do not Google.... A handful of people out of hundreds would probably know who they were. People really struggle with picturing something outside of their own reality...


A month from now I'll probably have forgotten who they are again.
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In the sense that most people don't know ANY directors outside of Spielberg, Tarantino and Scorsese, you are right. But when you mention the filmmakers not being well-known, then surely you are moving into the terrain of "by people who would know filmmakers". And these two are.
 
One thing I am pleased about is that I'll finally be able to get my hands on my very own Ryan Gosling doll.
 
Jev said:
In the sense that most people don't know ANY directors outside of Spielberg, Tarantino and Scorsese, you are right. But when you mention the filmmakers not being well-known, then surely you are moving into the terrain of "by people who would know filmmakers". And these two are.
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Nope

Vidyoyo said:
It's more accurate to say people who read about movies are more likely to know who they are.
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Yep, the bad v gets it in one!
 
Jev said:
In the sense that most people don't know ANY directors outside of Spielberg, Tarantino and Scorsese, you are right. But when you mention the filmmakers not being well-known, then surely you are moving into the terrain of "by people who would know filmmakers". And these two are.
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I think well known is always about the average person and not about a minority of people that have a strong interest in something. Otherwise everything is well-known and the term becomes pointless.
 
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