Greenwood (Out) - signs for Getafe on loan

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I see the usual twats are in here delighted he hasn't signed with anyone, all hoping the scumbag can now go back playing for us. Unbelievable the "fans" we have supporting our club.
 
BluesJr said:
Sorry but that’s nonsense.
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He has no value remaining and for as long as we hold on to him he continues to be a black hole of negativity around the club. Greenwood will never be worth very much after all that has happened and there are moral questions that would come up should we try to profit from him at this point. He is a sunk cost at this stage and having repeatedly fecked up our handling of this situation we are continuing to prolong the torture.
 
Lazio have probably been mulling this over for a week or two before eventually finding the bottle today to actually go for him but they’ve left it too late.
 
sepulturite said:
I see the usual twats are in here delighted he hasn't signed with anyone, all hoping the scumbag can now go back playing for us. Unbelievable the "fans" we have supporting our club.
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I’ve stumbled across this page and this comment.
Thank you, I shall refrain from going back to read previous pages to avoid reading such raff.
 
Gandalf said:
He has no value remaining and for as long as we hold on to him he continues to be a black hole of negativity around the club. Greenwood will never be worth very much after all that has happened and there are moral questions that would come up should we try to profit from him at this point. He is a sunk cost at this stage and having repeatedly fecked up our handling of this situation we are continuing to prolong the torture.
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If he goes to a club and scores 25 goals you better believe there will be a market for him. He is innocent in the eyes of the law and the controversy will fade. Don't be naive.
 
If a deal can be done would he not agree to terminate his United deal and join Lazio as a free agent.
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a mutual termination be essentially a contract buyout ? Since it is clear United has no standing to terminate it on any official fault ? I guess Greenwood could forfeit some of his guaranteed revenue but why would he really (and I say that without being a fan of his continued presence).

As a free agent I'm sure he'll get interest but probably on short term deal and reasonable wages, there's no guarantee he can turn his career around. I wouldn't leave any pound on the table from United I would be entitled to then.
 
Gandalf said:
.. there are moral questions that would come up should we try to profit from him at this point…
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no one can fault our altruism. We’ve clearly done the right thing at huge cost on and off the pitch. Not fair on our fans if we don’t recoup some of their money, should that be possible.
 
BluesJr said:
If he goes to a club and scores 25 goals you better believe there will be a market for him. He is innocent in the eyes of the law and the controversy will fade. Don't be naive.
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The audio and the video will not fade. He is very unlikely to get anywhere near to the top again but the proof of which of us is right will obviously be a few years in coming. I am not naive, I just don't think we should even be interested in making money from an abuser.
 
Plastic Evra said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a mutual termination be essentially a contract buyout ? Since it is clear United has no standing to terminate it on any official fault ? I guess Greenwood could forfeit some of his guaranteed revenue but why would he really (and I say that without being a fan of his continued presence).
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No, mutual termination is literally what it means. There would be a mutual agreement on the terms on which his contract is terminated. We've made it clear he won't play, here, so if he wants a career he'll have to leave. I doubt we'll offer him his full contract, so some payoff will be required, but I don't think he has much leverage if he actually wants to play football.
 
Gandalf said:
The audio and the video will not fade. He is very unlikely to get anywhere near to the top again but the proof of which of us is right will obviously be a few years in coming. I am not naive, I just don't think we should even be interested in making money from an abuser.
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I really cannot help but wonder about how people percieve the concept of rehabilitation, with views like this being this common.

Okay, he abused someone aged what, 20? Until when is this what defines him? 50? Until he dies?
 
BluesJr said:
If he goes to a club and scores 25 goals you better believe there will be a market for him. He is innocent in the eyes of the law and the controversy will fade. Don't be naive.
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May have been true in an age before the internet and social media, but his child will see those pictures and hear that audio at some point. Opposition fans will make sure it doesn't go away.
 
Roane said:
I think we can all agree, maybe?, that this hasn't been handled right.

The club have bowed to pressure from likes of Riley when it seemed they were willing to keep him.

My opinion they should have made an example of him as a young man who fecked up big time but the "United family" owed to him and women out there to not "make it someone else's problem" but use it to "do some good" for those involved in similar relationships and that as a last resort/second chance it was up to MG to take on board the help and support to become a better person and help raise the profile of DV.

I know this view maybe uncomfortable to some folk and fair enough. All I know is that having worked on regeneration and social exclusion etc some of the best "staff" we had in various projects came from backgrounds they were trying to now help in. An example would be ex gang members working with kids to stop becoming gang members.

Alternatively just get rid and not wait for pressure from likes of Rachel Riley who are not exactly bastions of moral virtue.
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I read this post earlier but did not have a chance to respond to it. I absolutely agree with everything you have said. I feel the club should gone down the route of acknowledgement but path of rehabilitation. But announced from mid June onwards.

Delaying and dithering has exemplified how inefficient this club is being run. You have owners who have delegated it to an inexperienced Ceo.

The reports of staff threatening "to leave or investigating how to go on strike" shows that you have an organisation that is not pulling the same direction. I am not saying people cant voice an opinion, but it can be debated and discussed but include people and gain trust.

It needs new ownership with a fresh set of ideas and is going to set a high standard in all forms of it's operations. In other wordlarespect all staff but there does have to authority. It the executives have made a decision stand by it.

And being influenced by a third rate TV presenter in the decsion making and running of what is supposed to be one of the "biggest clubs jn the world" is just the pits. And like many have mentioned she has history of trying to influence policy making and supporting dubious and aggressive regimes.

Some have said the haphazard decision making yesterday in regards to the left back position made them think "we are never challenging for the title". For me, last week confirmed what deep down I already knew, but worse.
 
When does the Turkish window close? Also would a club in South America take him?
 
Lash said:
No, mutual termination is literally what it means. There would be a mutual agreement on the terms on which his contract is terminated. We've made it clear he won't play, here, so if he wants a career he'll have to leave. I doubt we'll offer him his full contract, so some payoff will be required, but I don't think he has much leverage if he actually wants to play football.
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OK so mutual termination could entail any amount, so long they agree on terms. Thanks.

I don't want to concern troll because I think United disassociating from him is the correct decision, but with how the club statements played up their duty to care and accompanying him at least to some extent... I'd find it a little outrageous (if not surprising) if they're penny pinching his termination.
 
Hound Dog said:
I really cannot help but wonder about how people percieve the concept of rehabilitation, with views like this being this common.

Okay, he abused someone aged what, 20? Until when is this what defines him? 50? Until he dies?
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It is absolutely insane. We still have no real idea of what actually went on but doesn't stop people.
 
Plastic Evra said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a mutual termination be essentially a contract buyout ? Since it is clear United has no standing to terminate it on any official fault ? I guess Greenwood could forfeit some of his guaranteed revenue but why would he really (and I say that without being a fan of his continued presence).

As a free agent I'm sure he'll get interest but probably on short term deal and reasonable wages, there's no guarantee he can turn his career around. I wouldn't leave any pound on the table from United I would be entitled to then.
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He has a decision to make I think. Does he seat until January, no training nothing at all. Or does he take a risk and leave to go rebuild his career. If I was him I would take the risk and leave. I think by January he would back up to speed if he starts playing and training now. He is still young, I think by 23/24 years he could be earning more than the 75k he is on now.
 
Plastic Evra said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a mutual termination be essentially a contract buyout ? Since it is clear United has no standing to terminate it on any official fault ? I guess Greenwood could forfeit some of his guaranteed revenue but why would he really (and I say that without being a fan of his continued presence).

As a free agent I'm sure he'll get interest but probably on short term deal and reasonable wages, there's no guarantee he can turn his career around. I wouldn't leave any pound on the table from United I would be entitled to then.
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You obviously value money over respect then.
 
sepulturite said:
I see the usual twats are in here delighted he hasn't signed with anyone, all hoping the scumbag can now go back playing for us. Unbelievable the "fans" we have supporting our club.
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Each of the he fans we have supporting our club is perfectly entitled to have their own views. And just because they may happen to be different to yours doesn't make them a twat to use your description.
 
Hound Dog said:
I really cannot help but wonder about how people percieve the concept of rehabilitation, with views like this being this common.

Okay, he abused someone aged what, 20? Until when is this what defines him? 50? Until he dies?
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As far as him being a footballer it defines him forever.

For a less glamorous profession like a plumber, 25

For being on the dole, until 21
 
Plastic Evra said:
OK so mutual termination could entail any amount, so long they agree on terms. Thanks.

I don't want to concern troll because I think United disassociating from him is the correct decision, but with how the club statements played up their duty to care and accompanying him at least to some extent... I'd find it a little outrageous (if not surprising) if they're penny pinching his termination.
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Its all been handled horrifically from a United stand point. I agree, they probably deserve to pay his contract up for stringing him along and then dropping him when they fecked up the process. If they did it to begin with he'd be gone and everyone would have had a chance to move on. Alas.
 
Hound Dog said:
I really cannot help but wonder about how people percieve the concept of rehabilitation, with views like this being this common.

Okay, he abused someone aged what, 20? Until when is this what defines him? 50? Until he dies?
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Rehabilitation is fine but being in the public eye brings an additional layer of scrutiny and when it is a big business with corporate sponsors you need to be clean of any kind of scandal. In his case, as a public figure, millions have seen the images and heard the audio recording and that will define him in their eyes. He can go ahead and lead a normal life in anonymity but if he chooses to pursue a high profile career in what is an entertainment industry he is going to have to deal with the inevitable negative reactions. The vast majority of clubs will not have any appetite to take on the headaches he will bring.
 
Buster15 said:
Each of the he fans we have supporting our club is perfectly entitled to have their own views. And just because they may happen to be different to yours doesn't make them a twat to use your description.
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Yes it does when these posters clearly don't care about what he's done and would welcome him back with open arms, and judging by the two threads there are to many in our fan base with that view and it's dispicable.
 
adexkola said:
You obviously value money over respect then.
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Speaking on hypotheticals. Personally, at my very modest level, I did choose "respect" or self respect at some financial cost at least once.

But I have to be consistent and I can see the other side of that too : No guarantees he'll get his career back on track (though it's possible), if he's under contract he can still train (alone) -I'm sure that's where the precedent lies- & United did make promises they would work to part ways in the more helpful manner if quickly (thus also helping his partner, no need to belabor the point I think). If he fails to turn it around he's a 26 years old with I imagine few qualifications except football and a controversial public image. Maybe he was very wise and cautious with his earnings till now, I dunno... But I can understand not wanting to let go of 6-8m£ that could be the last big payday of your life.
 
sepulturite said:
Yes it does when these posters clearly don't care about what he's done and would welcome him back with open arms, and judging by the two threads there are to many in our fan base with that view and it's dispicable.
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Maybe other posters aren’t members of the social media torch and pitchfork brigade you’re front and centre of. Who needs courts when we’ve got you, eh?
 
Rednotdead said:
Maybe other posters aren’t members of the social media torch and pitchfork brigade you’re front and centre of. Who needs courts when we’ve got you, eh?
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So your one of the ones who listened to the audio and saw the pictures and thought what exactly? That it was a bit of fun that got out of hand? That they're just in to some real kinky shit? What exactly? He, at the very least, is a domestic abuser, and I don't want anyone like that associated with the club, and I'm shocked at anyone that would feel any different.
 
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