Gonçalo Ramos

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Benfica's position never changes. "Will sell for a bucket load of cash."
 
Darlington Padgett said:
I think Andre Silva is better than this guy.
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Really? I'm not an expert on them but even in Portugal Andre Silva wasn't bursting the back of the net with the regularity you'd expect from a striker at one of Portugal's top sides. Apart from one particular period in his career he doesn't score enough, whatever his other strengths may be.

This guy's record of scoring is pretty good at least, and he's only 21. Seems like he might have more potential on the face of it.
 
RoyH1 said:
The way they fleeced Boehly for Enzo should be considered an abuse under the eyes of the law
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The fee is certainly high, but Enzo is a quality midfielder who can potentially be at the club for a decade, or they could sell him for a small profit in a few years. Thats on the assumption that fees will continue to increase.

Were United fleeced for Pogba?
 
Amadaeus said:
Don't think you have watched Enzo this season. He has been one of their standout player.

On Ramos, haven't really focuses on him beisde the world cup. I believe be will be a good option
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Still not worth the £100m+ they paid. And I'm a big fan of him.
 
Obviously depending on the price, but I still believe that the 'forward thinking' move would be to sign Ramos this summer alongside a CM and a GK (perhaps also a RB) - and then try to sign Kane on a free next summer. If we sign both Ramos and Kane (next summer) then Ramos could also be used as a second striker/AM as well as being the backup striker.
 
Bubz27 said:
Still not worth the £100m+ they paid. And I'm a big fan of him.
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Depends how we look at fees, I think.

He's not worth 100million+ in the sense that no footballer should be worth that IMO. It's ridiculous and I wish there was a way to pull back football finances. Unfortunately that horse has bolted.

But he could end up being justified at that fee within the crazy world that is football. If he gives 8 years of top class service and becomes one of the best midfielders in the world within the next few years what would we say then? It would take on a completely different complexion. It's a bit early to say, considering he's started quite well. You have to do a lot to make that look a good fee but it's possible.
 
Abraxas said:
Depends how we look at fees, I think.

He's not worth 100million+ in the sense that no footballer should be worth that IMO. It's ridiculous and I wish there was a way to pull back football finances. Unfortunately that horse has bolted.

But he could end up being justified at that fee within the crazy world that is football. If he gives 8 years of top class service and becomes one of the best midfielders in the world within the next few years what would we say then? It would take on a completely different complexion. It's a bit early to say, considering he's started quite well. You have to do a lot to make that look a good fee but it's possible.
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Personally I'm not even sure his ceiling is worth that fee.
 
Of the strikers we've been linked with not named Harry or Victor, Ramos would seem to be the one with the biggest potential for quick impact, simply because he's at least scoring a lot of goals in his current league this season.

Non-penalty goals per 90 this season:

Haaland - 0.94
Osimhen - 0.82
Ramos - 0.73
Kane - 0.62
Hojlund - 0.43
Muani - 0.43

Non-penalty expected goals per 90 this season:

Haaland - 0.75
Osimhen - 0.66
Ramos - 0.80
Kane - 0.43
Hojlund - 0.43
Muani - 0.37

Unlike Muani/Hojlund where you'd need to believe their output would improve when they move to the PL, with Ramos you just need to believe it won't significantly drop off.

Whether people do believe that is the question. But the numbers certainly make for an eye-catching option. Particularly given those returns represented him underperforming on his underlying stats.
 
Still associate him with the World Cup hattrick which is amazing achievement,however has he kicked on much since then
 
He seems like one of those strikers that when scores in a match - he will score doubles and trebles but I’m not sure if we fit to his style.

It’s why I’m interested in him - but feel like we might have to build our whole team to play him in on goal.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Think he will be worse than Nunez but he will cost more too.
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Exactly. Nunez is an example how massive of a jump it is. And I seem to recall his numbers in Liga Portugal were much higher than Ramos.
 
sullydnl said:
Of the strikers we've been linked with not named Harry or Victor, Ramos would seem to be the one with the biggest potential for quick impact, simply because he's at least scoring a lot of goals in his current league this season.

Non-penalty goals per 90 this season:

Haaland - 0.94
Osimhen - 0.82
Ramos - 0.73
Kane - 0.62
Hojlund - 0.43
Muani - 0.43

Non-penalty expected goals per 90 this season:

Haaland - 0.75
Osimhen - 0.66
Ramos - 0.80
Kane - 0.43
Hojlund - 0.43
Muani - 0.37

Unlike Muani/Hojlund where you'd need to believe their output would improve when they move to the PL, with Ramos you just need to believe it won't significantly drop off.

Whether people do believe that is the question. But the numbers certainly make for an eye-catching option. Particularly given those returns represented him underperforming on his underlying stats.
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Just want to show some appreciation - I always enjoy reading your posts. It's great to get a simple breakdown of the numbers and what they imply. What does a forward underperforming their expected goals in a weaker league suggest? To a complete xg noob my immediate feeling is that expecting them to start putting away chances that they previously weren't and doing so in a more competitive and pressured environment is a significant risk. I like to think that we will evolve again next season into a team that creates more chances for its forwards, but that's dependent on getting other signings right too. But I guess that goes for pretty much all of the available options that aren't Kane and Osimhen (who you'd back to immediately start scoring).
 
I watched a vid and he looked deeply unexciting, apart from some very nice headers. Also the music was painful even for YT footballer comps. Do not want.
 
sullydnl said:
Of the strikers we've been linked with not named Harry or Victor, Ramos would seem to be the one with the biggest potential for quick impact, simply because he's at least scoring a lot of goals in his current league this season.

Non-penalty goals per 90 this season:

Haaland - 0.94
Osimhen - 0.82
Ramos - 0.73
Kane - 0.62
Hojlund - 0.43
Muani - 0.43

Non-penalty expected goals per 90 this season:

Haaland - 0.75
Osimhen - 0.66
Ramos - 0.80
Kane - 0.43
Hojlund - 0.43
Muani - 0.37

Unlike Muani/Hojlund where you'd need to believe their output would improve when they move to the PL, with Ramos you just need to believe it won't significantly drop off.

Whether people do believe that is the question. But the numbers certainly make for an eye-catching option. Particularly given those returns represented him underperforming on his underlying stats.
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Good post. Fair point. But he is also the least impressive physically. And that is a bit of a worry in my opinion.
 
Telsim said:
Exactly. Nunez is an example how massive of a jump it is. And I seem to recall his numbers in Liga Portugal were much higher than Ramos.
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His returns were higher (1.00 vs 0.73). But his xG was lower (0.69 vs 0.80).

And Nunez xG has remained pretty much unchanged since moving to the PL (0.69 to 0.62). All that happened is that he went from unsustainable finishing overperformance last season to an underperformance this season. Leaving his average across the last three season near par with his xG (a 0.03 goals per game underperformance).

In basic terms if Ramos arrived here and (like Nunez) posted anything close to the xG per game he has in Portugal, there's a near zero chance he doesn't score a lot of goals across multiple seasons.

Because to not do so at that point he would need to be an improbably bad finisher. As in even if he underperformed by Nunez' worst season every season, he'd still be returning roughly on par with Harry Kane. That's how good those expected returns are.

But of course just because Nunez' ability to get chances transferred across, that doesn't automatically mean Ramos' would too. That's the key thing. That and what he does in general play too, because goals aren't everything.

redcucumber said:
Just want to show some appreciation - I always enjoy reading your posts. It's great to get a simple breakdown of the numbers and what they imply. What does a forward underperforming their expected goals in a weaker league suggest? To a complete xg noob my immediate feeling is that expecting them to start putting away chances that they previously weren't and doing so in a more competitive and pressured environment is a significant risk. I like to think that we will evolve again next season into a team that creates more chances for its forwards, but that's dependent on getting other signings right too. But I guess that goes for pretty much all of the available options that aren't Kane and Osimhen (who you'd back to immediately start scoring).
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Aw thanks!

Regarding xG underperformance, it's hard to read too much into it based on one season. He could end up being someone like Gabriel Jesus, who has repeatedly underperformed across the last six years and been a statistically bad finisher. Or he could end up being like Lewandowski, who had one terrible season of underperformance in the last six but overperformed in all the others.

But most likely he will average out somewhere close to par. Even Nunez, who we think of as a poor finisher, is near par across his last 86 league games. And indeed if we look at Ramos himself across the last few season at Benfica, he's averaging near par too.

So basically it's less that you'd be expecting his finishing to improve on this season and more that you're just expecting it to continue averaging out over the longer run.
 
The concept of transferring xG between Benfica and us worries me a bit. It feels like they should be dominant compared to their league resulting in high chance creation. The numbers suggest they create a chunk more.

If they're also structured to play exactly to his strengths then it might be a bit different to here. We don't really have the domination City do where they can routinely put it on a plate for Haaland. Or indeed that Benfica probably do. If you're Benfica the whole league can know what you're doing to create for a poaching type striker that's fairly straightforward in his approach but do they have the quality to stop it? Maybe not.

I think that's what would define a striker like Ramos, how much do we create for him? Because he's probably not going on mazy runs or stuff like that. His finishing seems good enough. As long as he doesn't bottle it completely at United then there's a pretty good chance he'll convert chances if he gets them. It's just how easy he's going to be to play around I wonder about.
 
Dunno about him. Think he’ll flop here. I’d prefer Kane.
 
Abraxas said:
The concept of transferring xG between Benfica and us worries me a bit. It feels like they should be dominant compared to their league resulting in high chance creation. The numbers suggest they create a chunk more.

If they're also structured to play exactly to his strengths then it might be a bit different to here. We don't really have the domination City do where they can routinely put it on a plate for Haaland. Or indeed that Benfica probably do. If you're Benfica the whole league can know what you're doing to create for a poaching type striker that's fairly straightforward in his approach but do they have the quality to stop it? Maybe not.

I think that's what would define a striker like Ramos, how much do we create for him? Because he's probably not going on mazy runs or stuff like that. His finishing seems good enough. As long as he doesn't bottle it completely at United then there's a pretty good chance he'll convert chances if he gets them. It's just how easy he's going to be to play around I wonder about.
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Aye, you can't assume it would transfer across. There's a good reason clubs employ scouts and professional analytics departments and not just random idiots with access to Fbref. You'd need to really break down his strengths/weaknesses and how he fits into the team and even then, you could easily get it wrong.

But the reality is that there's quite a good chance the two obvious options on the market (Kane and Osimhen) will be beyond our reach either due to the finances involved or willingness of their clubs to sell. So the question is who do we turn to then? And all else being equal, you'd sure as hell prefer to see the alternative option we opt for posting these sort of number than not. It would be reason to be hopeful if nothing else.
 
Such an underwhelming signing if true. He looks nothing special to be honest.
 
Telsim said:
Exactly. Nunez is an example how massive of a jump it is. And I seem to recall his numbers in Liga Portugal were much higher than Ramos.
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I think so. Nunez has 34 goals in 41 games (26 goals in 28 league games) for Benfica, before moving to Liverpool for €75m+ €25m add ons.

Ramos has 26 goals in 46 games (18 goals in 29 league games) for Benfica this season, and he is currently value at up to £100m (including add ons).

Besides, Nunez has more distinctive style of player, being faster, stronger, better movement, better athleticism, and more skillful than Ramos, who doesn't have any distinctive style of play. His strength is more based upon his versitality and awareness of surroundings, which I don't think would work better in PL.
 
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Amadaeus said:
Don't think you have watched Enzo this season. He has been one of their standout player.

On Ramos, haven't really focuses on him beisde the world cup. I believe be will be a good option
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I have. That’s mad money for someone who’s not a striker and is not top 3 at his position
 
He'd be lower priced if he hadn't scored that hat trick at the world cup which made his value sky rocket. Would be a good buy but they'd want 100m for him.
 
sullydnl said:
Of the strikers we've been linked with not named Harry or Victor, Ramos would seem to be the one with the biggest potential for quick impact, simply because he's at least scoring a lot of goals in his current league this season.

Non-penalty goals per 90 this season:

Haaland - 0.94
Osimhen - 0.82
Ramos - 0.73
Kane - 0.62
Hojlund - 0.43
Muani - 0.43

Non-penalty expected goals per 90 this season:

Haaland - 0.75
Osimhen - 0.66
Ramos - 0.80
Kane - 0.43
Hojlund - 0.43
Muani - 0.37

Unlike Muani/Hojlund where you'd need to believe their output would improve when they move to the PL, with Ramos you just need to believe it won't significantly drop off.

Whether people do believe that is the question. But the numbers certainly make for an eye-catching option. Particularly given those returns represented him underperforming on his underlying stats.
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That npxG is very impressive for Ramos.

BTW that's a lot of overachieving by Kane Haaland and even Osimhen.
 
croadyman said:
Still associate him with the World Cup hattrick which is amazing achievement,however has he kicked on much since then
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Well he recorded himself having a wank in a hotel room and someone posted it on Twitter, and now it gets reposted whenever he scores so there's always that?
 
croadyman said:
Still associate him with the World Cup hattrick which is amazing achievement,however has he kicked on much since then
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The 21-year-old is one of the best young strikers in European football. He has had a fantastic season with 27 goals and 12 assists from just 47 appearances.
 
bosskeano said:
The 21-year-old is one of the best young strikers in European football. He has had a fantastic season with 27 goals and 12 assists from just 47 appearances.
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Yeah I like him stylistically and he’s had a good campaign. My only issue is the price. If he had a €70m release clause instead of €100m then he’d be close to a no brainier if Kane and Osimhen are out of reach.
 
Benfica supporter at work said this morning there are a lot of rumours doing the rounds in Lisbon that United are moving for Ramos and ready to pay the £100m release. This is amongst fans and local ITKs, so take it however you want.
 
whitbyviking said:
Benfica supporter at work said this morning there are a lot of rumours doing the rounds in Lisbon that United are moving for Ramos and ready to pay the £100m release. This is amongst fans and local ITKs, so take it however you want.
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That’s too much. 70-75m would make sense though.
 
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