Going against the grain

[The Mitcher]

I'll also add that writing off whole seasons is rank cowardice and terrible management of the club. The club must sack the underperforming manager and replace them with a manager that will improve results and get us to finish as high as possible.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

I'll also add that writing off whole seasons is rank cowardice and terrible management of the club. The club must sack the underperforming manager and replace them with a manager that will improve results and get us to finish as high as possible.

I agree, that's the mentality we should be after.
I wonder if the board is cowardly hiding behind Amorim's so called rebuild, because they do not have any ambition, nor they know what to do at this point. Or we are as poor as a church mouse and they are afraid that a new manager might demand new players.

 

[The Mitcher]

I agree, that's the mentality we should be after.
I wonder if the board is cowardly hiding behind Amorim's so called rebuild, because they do not have any ambition, nor they know what to do at this point. Or we are as poor as a church mouse and they are afraid that a new manager might demand new players.

Just like how we could have sacked ETH despite the takeover process, when Murtough etc were still there. And later when we had the initial staff from INEOS. Just what were they thinking? Even when it was mathematically impossible to get champions league, ETH still got to the FA Cup final.

 

[DJ Jeff]

I agree, that's the mentality we should be after.
I wonder if the board is cowardly hiding behind Amorim's so called rebuild, because they do not have any ambition, nor they know what to do at this point. Or we are as poor as a church mouse and they are afraid that a new manager might demand new players.

INEOS are terrified of getting hammered for their disastrous start as owners and think it'll get even worse if they make the decision to sack Amorim this summer rather than doing what they did with Ten Hag and letting him limp into next season as a dead man walking until they sack him in October when the pressure and criticism is all aimed at him. Then we'll be writing off the season for the 3rd year running so that they can protect their reputation.

 

[UpWithRivers]

This idea that we can do things on a budget both on and off the pitch and buy a bunch of kids on the cheap or budget players and try to be a better version of Brighton or resurrect the Busby Babes/Class of 92 is stupid and will never work. This has never been done in the history of football. The only way we get out if this is by money. Lots of it. And by get out of this I mean challenging for the Prem/Champions League and not 5th-15th with a FA cup every now and again and tugging on our wieners because we beat Man City but are still sht.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

INEOS are terrified of getting hammered for their disastrous start as owners and think it'll get even worse if they make the decision to sack Amorim this summer rather than doing what they did with Ten Hag and letting him limp into next season as a dead man walking until they sack him in October when the pressure and criticism is all aimed at him. Then we'll be writing off the season for the 3rd year running so that they can protect their reputation.

Protect their reputation? I think their are worse than the Glazers.
I consider them at fault for not sacking ETH in the summer and I believe it to be a disaster letting Amorim break all negative records possible this season and the next.
We are going from bad to a complete mess under them, debt or no debt, budget cutting or not.

 

[The Mitcher]

Protect their reputation? I think their are worse than the Glazers.
I consider them at fault for not sacking ETH in the summer and I believe it to be a disaster letting Amorim break all negative records possible this season and the next.
We are going from bad to a complete mess under them, debt or no debt, budget cutting or not.

Both the glazers and INEOS are at fault for not sacking ETH. He should have been sacked long before the takeover was in process in early 2024. He should have been sacked before christmas when we still had Arnold and Murtough in charge. Instead they just sat there and let him ruin the entire season. INEOS coming in and then keeping him was just as bad, if not worse, because they got carried away with the FA Cup fever when they should have been cooler heads.

 

[DJ Jeff]

Protect their reputation? I think their are worse than the Glazers.
I consider them at fault for not sacking ETH in the summer and I believe it to be a disaster letting Amorim break all negative records possible this season and the next.
We are going from bad to a complete mess under them, debt or no debt, budget cutting or not.

Their reputation is shit now for the way they handled ETH and the Ashworth debacle, it gets even worse if they now sack the guy they basically booted Ashworth to get. Instead they'll take the cowardly option of keeping him into next season and letting him hang himself with bad results by October, so the story is as much about Amorim failing after being backed as it is about them being a shambles.

 

[dazjoe]

This idea that we can do things on a budget both on and off the pitch and buy a bunch of kids on the cheap or budget players and try to be a better version of Brighton or resurrect the Busby Babes/Class of 92 is stupid and will never work. This has never been done in the history of football. The only way we get out if this is by money. Lots of it. And by get out of this I mean challenging for the Prem/Champions League and not 5th-15th with a FA cup every now and again and tugging on our wieners because we beat Man City but are still sht.

Yeah we should spend big money on players instead. I reckon we should buy Pogba, Maguire, Lukaku, Di Maria, Sancho, Antony, AWB, Hojlund, and Mount. We be guaranteed to win the league then. None of this "trying to buy smart" nonsense.

 

[UpWithRivers]

Yeah we should spend big money on players instead. I reckon we should buy Pogba, Maguire, Lukaku, Di Maria, Sancho, Antony, AWB, Hojlund, and Mount. We be guaranteed to win the league then. None of this "trying to buy smart" nonsense.

Yeah we should buy Van Der Beek, Dan James, Bailly, Rojo, Weghorst, Pellistri, Malacia, Zirkzee, Mjebri, Blind, Darmian, Ighalo instead. None of this 'Buying the league' nonsense like literally every club has done. We'll do it for a bag of crisps and show those high spenders

 

[Kayla40TS]

Ruben Amorim's tactics are very much NOT rigid and micromanaged. The formation stays essentially the same, in and out of possession, the tactics within that set up fluctuate greatly depending on opponents and team sheet and anyone that can't see that is as thick as a mattress croissant.

 

[Red in STL]

This one might get me virtually lynched but f**k it.

Sir Alex Ferguson is the greatest manager Manchester United ever had, and arguably of all time in football (that's not the controversial bit) .....

BUT ......

His legal pursuit of breeding rights over a f*cking racehorse is the main reason why we've been lumbered with the Glazers for 20 years now, and consequently why the club is in the financial position it's in today.

There's a bit more to it than that, the Glazers were already buying shares in United before this even happened, all this did was accelerate the timeframe of them gaining control, ultimately the real reason the club is in this position was the decision to become a public company

 

[buchansleftleg]

I know the results have been terrible and we are still succumbing to brain fart moments at the back and desperately poor finishing upfront. However - I can see the team beginning to develop a better way of playing in sequences and some players seem to be getting better / more consistent in how they are playing.

We are by no means all the way there yet, and Ineos keeping the cupboard bare doesn't help us deal with injuries and suspensions that again add to the chaos at times.

Looking past all that I can see green shoots of recovery but they are very fragile. INEOS can still grasp failure from the jaws of progress and if we start to get briefs about "developing academy players" rather than investing in better players that Amorim needs then I can see those green shoots getting trampled in the mud.

 

[KingEric04]

I am not sure I would count all of them as "serial winners". Zidane is a very very risky move, he dominated when he had no competition.

My point was that we stopped hiring world class managers after Mourinho. We had Ole, Ten Hag and Amorim. Out of 6 main managers we had only Van Gaal and Mourinho who were serial winners. I like Amorim and hope he has success but he's definitely not proven at the top level.

That was very similar to Ten Hag as well. I see a lot of people commenting about us "recycling" managers but we have taken a lot of risk with not hiring proven managers.

 

[tomaldinho1]

My point was that we stopped hiring world class managers after Mourinho. We had Ole, Ten Hag and Amorim. Out of 6 main managers we had only Van Gaal and Mourinho who were serial winners. I like Amorim and hope he has success but he's definitely not proven at the top level.

That was very similar to Ten Hag as well. I see a lot of people commenting about us "recycling" managers but we have taken a lot of risk with not hiring proven managers.

I'm not sure we've ever hired anyone people saw as currently amongst the best in the game. What I do think is telling/no coincidence is the managers who came with trophy winning pedigree and decent CL experience all won trophies. Amorim will win the EL and we'll continue this trend.