Ten Hag is probably a great coach but terrible recruiter
Going against the grain
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Hea played in a position he clearly isn't comfortable in.
We’re a decent striker away from a top 4 squad
If we resigned Dan James he would be perfect as the RWB in this system and unstoppable paired with Amad.
I think he's a good coach who got found out at the top level. A great coach I don't think would have persevered with a system that clearly wsn't working for 18 months.
We should re-sign:
- Anthony Elanga
- Aaron Wan Bissaka
- Scott Mctominay
- Angel Gomes
- Mason Greenwood
- Facundo Pellestri
- Will Fish
- Alvaro Fernandez
- David de Gea
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We should have kept LvG for at least another season
Scotty McHotty should have stayed
Scotty McHotty should have stayed
I thought that as I wrote it, but it still stands for me.
We've got a young core to the side...
Hojlund
Garnacho Zirkzee
Dorgu Mainoo
Yoro
Then add in the youth team prospects closest to the first team in Kone, Heaven and Obi and my second statement stands even allowing for Mainoo as not fitting.
The one thing that bugs me about forums (every forum), there's always a big topic, whether it's a football forum, a club forum (United, Chelsea etc), wrestling forum, boxing forum, MMA forum etc.... There is almost always a large opinion on a certain topic that 90% of posters agree with.
A few months back I went against the grain by defending Ten Hag. Admittedly , I went about it in the wrong way and people thought I was trying to stir things. It really wasn't my intention. For that reason, I've tried to keep out of the Anorim thread.
Taking a forum out of it, I find when talking to people in general, because their opinions can be so strong (I am the same), I feel once a decision is made or a persons mind is made up, they are not open to any other opinion. Again, I'm likely the same!
A few months back I went against the grain by defending Ten Hag. Admittedly , I went about it in the wrong way and people thought I was trying to stir things. It really wasn't my intention. For that reason, I've tried to keep out of the Anorim thread.
Taking a forum out of it, I find when talking to people in general, because their opinions can be so strong (I am the same), I feel once a decision is made or a persons mind is made up, they are not open to any other opinion. Again, I'm likely the same!
Pipe dream = dream about his pipe, apparently
Sell Maguire now while we still can.
Elanga would have been the first name on Rubens team sheet this season.
1. Garnacho is vastly overrated due to a lack of quality in the squad and his huge amount of minutes he's gotten to occasionally impact games/rack up decent counting stats. Also he gets a huge boost due to being from Carrington, so people are dying to see him succeed and give him huge amounts of time when in reality he's been a regular in the team for almost 3 seasons and a starter for almost 2.
2. Bruno is a good player, but ultimately has always had flaws that's meant he'll never be a central piece of a top team. You can't have a player that's as inefficient as he is for good swaths of a season especially with the limitations he has on the ball in his position. We'd have been smart to sell him a few years ago with his reputation/value at it's peak.
2. Bruno is a good player, but ultimately has always had flaws that's meant he'll never be a central piece of a top team. You can't have a player that's as inefficient as he is for good swaths of a season especially with the limitations he has on the ball in his position. We'd have been smart to sell him a few years ago with his reputation/value at it's peak.
This should definitely be considered. Heaton was a great keeper in his day and hopefully can still do a job to the Summer at least.
Bruno is way more important than a lot of the cafe believe, if he has a good game we normally win or at least play well, if he’s off the boil we struggle big time, I can normally tell the outcome of a game by how he’s playing.
Unfortunately he is hot and cold, much like our form , funny that…
Unfortunately he is hot and cold, much like our form , funny that…
Midfield is by far the weakest area in our squad and must be addressed before splurging on more attackers. A settled midfield will make us into a top six-ish side.
We need a proper regista to partner Ugarte and even then because Ugarte is somewhat limited going forward, the player we sign should basically be world class. A Matic / Rodri type that can mop up, provide some steel, dictate tempo, receive the ball back to goal, play on the half turn and find line breaking passes.
These are like unicorns and it won't be easy to find such a player. It's easier to find a Jorginho or a Ruben Neves than a Rodri, so I'd settle for someone like that. Obviously that means the midfield will lack pace / physicality and will continue to be an issue so it's still not ideal.
We need a proper regista to partner Ugarte and even then because Ugarte is somewhat limited going forward, the player we sign should basically be world class. A Matic / Rodri type that can mop up, provide some steel, dictate tempo, receive the ball back to goal, play on the half turn and find line breaking passes.
These are like unicorns and it won't be easy to find such a player. It's easier to find a Jorginho or a Ruben Neves than a Rodri, so I'd settle for someone like that. Obviously that means the midfield will lack pace / physicality and will continue to be an issue so it's still not ideal.
Not much at the moment. Think I had doubts over Amorim before anyone was really daring to voice them on here which some are now beginning to do. I kept it to myself, not wanting to get into it all with people.
Reddit is the worst for this with the upvote/downvote thing.
The idea behind it was that downvotes were to be used for replies that were irrelevant, unhelpful, spam, downright offensive or even illegal and you wanted to spare people from seeing it. Instead it turned into a "I disagree" button a lot of the time, which wouldn't be so bad but it pushes all such responses to the bottom and actually hides them so that if people wanted to see them they have to scroll all the way down and click to reveal whatever that particular reply actually said.
A lot of subreddits become echo chambers as a result. If you disagree with the consenus on anything you're not going to get much of an audience for your opinion compared to if you do so why bother? Non consensus opinions will be downvoted into oblivion without people even saying why they disagree much of the time. That's why the caf/traditional forums are better to me. If someone thinks you're wrong they have to tell you why and there's a chance you may change your mind or you may change someone else's however small that is. You can have better discussions here.
Reddit is the worst for this with the upvote/downvote thing.
The idea behind it was that downvotes were to be used for replies that were irrelevant, unhelpful, spam, downright offensive or even illegal and you wanted to spare people from seeing it. Instead it turned into a "I disagree" button a lot of the time, which wouldn't be so bad but it pushes all such responses to the bottom and actually hides them so that if people wanted to see them they have to scroll all the way down and click to reveal whatever that particular reply actually said.
A lot of subreddits become echo chambers as a result. If you disagree with the consenus on anything you're not going to get much of an audience for your opinion compared to if you do so why bother? Non consensus opinions will be downvoted into oblivion without people even saying why they disagree much of the time. That's why the caf/traditional forums are better to me. If someone thinks you're wrong they have to tell you why and there's a chance you may change your mind or you may change someone else's however small that is. You can have better discussions here.
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Also agreed. It was a masterstroke to play him there and hopefully we will return to it on a regular basis once we have two 10s who Amorim is happy with.
1) Im not his biggest fan, and it’s a BIG if, but if Luke Shaw ever regains and maintains fitness, he would become a world class LCB in this system.
2) Bruno might age into the regista we need
3) INEOS will go all in on the recruiting young talents and it might backfire
2) Bruno might age into the regista we need
3) INEOS will go all in on the recruiting young talents and it might backfire
I think Onana and Maguire are very poor. While at least one of these is playing we won't win matches consistently. The standards are so low with these 2, when they do OK, people say they're great. They both seem like nice guys but they're not good enough for me.
Garnacho has a lot of talent, I'd stick with him if he gets his head right, he has personality issues. There is a player in Hojlund but he needs to do something quick.
Garnacho has a lot of talent, I'd stick with him if he gets his head right, he has personality issues. There is a player in Hojlund but he needs to do something quick.
Dalot is crap.
There are dozens of us, dozens! Seriously I had to put his performance thread on ignore. Up till the recent obsession with Hojlund, it had the most unhinged takes. I can only imagine if the Dorgu-Onana episode was a Dalot-Onana one. This place would’ve exploded
Nah hard disagree. If he was a great coach, the donut formation wouldn't be a thing. Drilling a side out of possession the great leveler - it doesn't matter how much talent you have, it's all about how well the coach can drill his ideas into the squad.
We were absolute crap on preventing transitions.
The Glazers aren't all that bad. In the past 10 years we've spent millions on players - have to up there with the biggest spenders.
The first thing posted in this thread where I am in strong disagreement.
They spent but spent badly. Their debt, dividends, bad recruitment has put us in this position.
Back to the thread, I generally agree with a lot that had been posted in this thread.
But the one where I am probably most strongly against the grain is Hojlund. I am seeing someone with class potential struggle due to lack of confidence - not because he doesn't have skill.
But the one where I am probably most strongly against the grain is Hojlund. I am seeing someone with class potential struggle due to lack of confidence - not because he doesn't have skill.
Half of these are not particularly controversial
But they still spent right? Thats what i mean, they didn't just say 'no', they were willing to spend money and a lot.
Yes, I don't disagree with that.
No they were often reluctant and sometimes forced. They didn’t spend / want or intend to spend whenever we got top four. They had to spend to try to get there. We’d have spent far less had we kept getting top four. They are absolute cancer.
We need to sell de Ligt if the price is right. I don't think he suit highline, and his heading, passing and defending aren't that good either.
Fecking hell
1. For all his mistakes, Onana, everything considered, is still a top 10 keeper in the world. We surely can’t find someone better than him in the next two years at least, so replacing him shouldn’t even be a discussion.
2. Bruno is a bad influence on the team. His personality and antics do not fit a club aspiring for greatness. He has always been a problem for any structured playing style, thriving only in the occassional chaos football. It will be eye-opening once we remove him from the team and see how much smoother things run without his constant complaining and reckless decision-making.
3. Rashford would have contributed far more this season if he had stayed and played regularly than either Højlund or Zirkzee. However, in the grand scheme of things, letting him go to Villa was the right decision.
4. Højlund is a decent striker, but he can’t and never will operate well as a lone striker. He lacks the ability to hold up play on his own and thrives when he has someone to play off. Pair him with someone like Rooney or Zlatan, and he’d easily score 25+ goals a season.
5. We would have been in a better position now if we never sacked Ole but instead brought in Rangnick as a sporting director rather than a coach. The team had a solid foundation back then and was beginning to take shape, but it suffered a major setback when Ronaldo signed. That move disrupted everything. Also whatever remained of Sir Alex’s United spirit vanished completely when Ole left, to never return ever again. Its not the same club anymore
6. Murtough’s reign was far more damaging to the club than Woodward’s. He wreaked havoc on the club’s finances, overpaid for average players, and every major decision he made turned out to be a failure—which we are still suffering from today. His mismanagement more than Woodward's has left us in a worse position than ever, and undoing the damage will take years.
2. Bruno is a bad influence on the team. His personality and antics do not fit a club aspiring for greatness. He has always been a problem for any structured playing style, thriving only in the occassional chaos football. It will be eye-opening once we remove him from the team and see how much smoother things run without his constant complaining and reckless decision-making.
3. Rashford would have contributed far more this season if he had stayed and played regularly than either Højlund or Zirkzee. However, in the grand scheme of things, letting him go to Villa was the right decision.
4. Højlund is a decent striker, but he can’t and never will operate well as a lone striker. He lacks the ability to hold up play on his own and thrives when he has someone to play off. Pair him with someone like Rooney or Zlatan, and he’d easily score 25+ goals a season.
5. We would have been in a better position now if we never sacked Ole but instead brought in Rangnick as a sporting director rather than a coach. The team had a solid foundation back then and was beginning to take shape, but it suffered a major setback when Ronaldo signed. That move disrupted everything. Also whatever remained of Sir Alex’s United spirit vanished completely when Ole left, to never return ever again. Its not the same club anymore
6. Murtough’s reign was far more damaging to the club than Woodward’s. He wreaked havoc on the club’s finances, overpaid for average players, and every major decision he made turned out to be a failure—which we are still suffering from today. His mismanagement more than Woodward's has left us in a worse position than ever, and undoing the damage will take years.
Eh
You think we should sell mainoo but our young core will win the league if we keep them? haha
Martial was a one-in-million talent and it’s mostly the changing managers who are to blame for it not working out, as he was time and time again treated poorly or mismanaged.
It’s absolutely insanity that we’ve got someone on loan at a club in the prem after being frozen out at OT who has got more goal involvements in around 270 minutes of football than Garnacho, Holjund and Zhirkzee have got in a combined total of around 36 games domestically since he went.
Absolutely agree. I think LVG had the necessary gumption and confidence to deal with player power if given support at board level and he certainly was affected by the fact that United fans expected that the team play the exciting attacking football that won trophies and titles with style.
Yes our team`s style under him was boring by comparison but some patience and stability I believe would have turned that around. He was after all having to rebuild a significant part of the team as the last title/European Cup winning one was older etc. Didn`t get the time and here we are some years later on yet another manager who has to rebuild the team.
I`m glad that Scott`s doing well and enjoying his football - a decent lad and player, bring him back.
Some sensible opinions on here imo, so maybe not so against the grain. My top 3:
- No manager could vastly improve our play this season with the players available. We could have gone back to hoofball, but what's the point?
- Maguire is a great lad, a decent footballer and the root of about half our problems because of what his playing means to the system
- Bruno is a superb footballer, a great human being and a terrible captain that costs us points because of how annoying he is towards referees
- Rashford's sale was imposed on Amorim for financial reasons
- Some of the higest earners who aren't playing (Eriksen, Case etc) should have setup a fund to support the fired employees as a giant f*ck you to INEOS
- No manager could vastly improve our play this season with the players available. We could have gone back to hoofball, but what's the point?
- Maguire is a great lad, a decent footballer and the root of about half our problems because of what his playing means to the system
- Bruno is a superb footballer, a great human being and a terrible captain that costs us points because of how annoying he is towards referees
- Rashford's sale was imposed on Amorim for financial reasons
- Some of the higest earners who aren't playing (Eriksen, Case etc) should have setup a fund to support the fired employees as a giant f*ck you to INEOS
Ugarte is the Lindelof of midfielders.
Van Dijk is one of the best centre backs this century and second best CB in the PL ever, once you remove the United bias.
Haaland and Mbappé are still the two best of this generation (not counting Yamal) and don’t deserve a lot of the criticism they get here, it’s not their fault they came after Messi and Ronaldo and can’t be as good as two top 5 all time, but can still be all-time greats.
Ferdinand is overrated here, especially in comparison to Vidic.
Haaland and Mbappé are still the two best of this generation (not counting Yamal) and don’t deserve a lot of the criticism they get here, it’s not their fault they came after Messi and Ronaldo and can’t be as good as two top 5 all time, but can still be all-time greats.
Ferdinand is overrated here, especially in comparison to Vidic.