Glory hunters
- Thread starter dicko
- Start date
People on here are banging on about not being glory boys, well if you are not glory boys how do you end up supporting one of the biggest teams in the world?
Namely it's because they do well, once you have Chosen to support a team 90%+ of people will stick with them, but why did you support them in the first place?
I was born in Manchester, in a red house and was wearing red from the day I born, I never chose to support a successful team, I was lucky in some ways. I have mates who support Bury, and they were born or raised in Bury, they were taken to matches at an early age, and followed them, they would consider themselves lucky in may ways.
So I feel it goes back to why and when you started supporting Manchester United, if it was because they were on the TV, and were the worlds biggest club, with the best marketing department on the planet, then are you a glory boy? Why did you not support your local team, be it in Ireland, London or Timbucktoo. Were you not happy with the standard of football, and decided to support one of the big boys.
Look at all the successful teams in England, they are now the ones with the biggest support, ie Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United, coincidence, I think not.
Namely it's because they do well, once you have Chosen to support a team 90%+ of people will stick with them, but why did you support them in the first place?
I was born in Manchester, in a red house and was wearing red from the day I born, I never chose to support a successful team, I was lucky in some ways. I have mates who support Bury, and they were born or raised in Bury, they were taken to matches at an early age, and followed them, they would consider themselves lucky in may ways.
So I feel it goes back to why and when you started supporting Manchester United, if it was because they were on the TV, and were the worlds biggest club, with the best marketing department on the planet, then are you a glory boy? Why did you not support your local team, be it in Ireland, London or Timbucktoo. Were you not happy with the standard of football, and decided to support one of the big boys.
Look at all the successful teams in England, they are now the ones with the biggest support, ie Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United, coincidence, I think not.
Originally posted by redinoz:
<strong>
You would be because you dont know the first thing about supporting your team. other than watching them on the box, believe me there is a huge difference.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But you currently watch your liverpool game on the box isn't it? So what's the difference between watching from your TV and us watching from our TV's? Do you mean that your TV can transport you to anfield?so do you work for SONY Aust? or Panasonic Aust?
Anyway, I did go to OT a decades ago with my great english uni friends. And I love the atmosphere there as compared to now, and would love to go back again.
Yep the bricks were red, and so were the team we supported. My arguement is the same for any top teams, people will always go for the big teams, because of the glory factor
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>
You were born in manchester but support the dippers.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Jesus inch, let it go for fecks sake...
It could just be that he's not a dipper..
Boring Malaysian Glory Fan
But I have to say that the gloryhunter term does seem fecking tedious to be labelled with after 26 years, call me a part timer then instead or whatever <hr></blockquote>
Instead or whatever, that makes you sound like a Jerry Springer participant??? Now you my friend have grabbed the wrong end of the stick, what I am trying to put across is that a glory hunter, chose his / her team because they were / are successful. It does not make you a part time supporter. Glory hunter = part timer, not in all cases, I'm never coming from that angle.
My definition is different, if you choose your team because of success then you follow the glory, and millions do. Even if you stick with them, you initial resaon was success & glory, thus making you a glory supporter. Well that's my opinion.
I see ICHK, is using his one trick pony again, are you Nigel Winterburn in disguise?
Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:
<strong>
My definition is different, if you choose your team because of success then you follow the glory, and millions do. Even if you stick with them, you initial resaon was success & glory, thus making you a glory supporter. Well that's my opinion.
Fair does, but what's the interesting part in your definition. That you need to support a successfull team in order to be a glory hunter seems quite evident. If the team has no glory how the hell can you be a glory hunter.
Don't know how old you are, but it seems a tad amusing that when you make your definition you go back 20 years in time and talk about the time when people were 4 - 10 year old kids and then go <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> , fecking glory hunter.
Have you ever talked to kids in this age, they are hardly capable of making a rational decision and they can get attached to a club because of the glory, because of the color of the shirt, beckhams hair etc. Now to label someone glory hunter because they initially choose to support the team for whatever reason 20 years later is theoretical in extreme and has no connection to reality.
I started supporting United in 1981.My dad supported united so I guess it is natural that I'm a fan as well. I've been to OT once, almost never missed a match on tv. I was dancing in the streets when we won the treble ...and feel depressed anytime we lose. I dont hate scousers nor do I hate Liverpool but it would make my month if we trash them. I think Owen and Gerard are excellent players but I know Danny Murphy is no Platini !! I buy the latest kit every year - I've got all the video's and CDs of the team. My current fav player is Roy Keane and my all time fav is Bryan Robson.I am from Malaysia. Does this make me a fan,gloryhunter,part timer ? Just curious !
I buy the latest kit every year - I've got all the video's and CDs of the team. My current fav player is Roy Keane and my all time fav is Bryan Robson.I am from Malaysia. Does this make me a fan,gloryhunter,part timer ? Just curious ! I disagree
I am 17 years old and i started supporting United in 1992 for the pathetic reason that it was the time i was starting to take an interest in football and the first ever football match i saw was a United match.
My dad wasnt really into football and so there were no traditional family club for me to support and we move around the country a bit with my dads job so there really was no local team!
At school you had to support a team 2 fit in and after seeing the United match i had United as the team i supported. At the time of claiming United as MY club, i didnt know much about the league and cups etc, i just knew they were on telly a lot. (I was a very docile kid) As i got older, I looked back into their history
and grew to love them for what they really were.
Sorry to bore you all but I had to make my point
I am 17 years old and i started supporting United in 1992 for the pathetic reason that it was the time i was starting to take an interest in football and the first ever football match i saw was a United match.
My dad wasnt really into football and so there were no traditional family club for me to support and we move around the country a bit with my dads job so there really was no local team!
At school you had to support a team 2 fit in and after seeing the United match i had United as the team i supported. At the time of claiming United as MY club, i didnt know much about the league and cups etc, i just knew they were on telly a lot. (I was a very docile kid) As i got older, I looked back into their history
and grew to love them for what they really were.
Sorry to bore you all but I had to make my point
In the 70's (74-77 ish) there used to be a popular car sticker both for United and Liverpool fans, it red "UNITED SUPPORTERS THE WORLD OVER" or "LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS THE WORLD OVER". During these times both sets of supporter were proud of their following, no matter where they came from.
United's popular worldwide support came following Munich. Liverpools came following their European victories, to me these fans could be called Glory-Hunters not ours, but to me anyone who has followed their club through hard times is a supporter. Some of us remember United in Division two and what a great season that was, many of us found our loyalty and our passion for the club during this period. To average 57,000+ in the second division speaks volumes for United fans, it's just a pity many of those do not get to games now. These were the die-hard reds and many felt their time had come when we won the League again.
No doubt the Glory-Hunters label will still be there next year, but were loosers now and ain't they all having a good laugh...! Even those who won zilch as well...
United's popular worldwide support came following Munich. Liverpools came following their European victories, to me these fans could be called Glory-Hunters not ours, but to me anyone who has followed their club through hard times is a supporter. Some of us remember United in Division two and what a great season that was, many of us found our loyalty and our passion for the club during this period. To average 57,000+ in the second division speaks volumes for United fans, it's just a pity many of those do not get to games now. These were the die-hard reds and many felt their time had come when we won the League again.
No doubt the Glory-Hunters label will still be there next year, but were loosers now and ain't they all having a good laugh...! Even those who won zilch as well...
Don't listen to Manux. His opinion doesn't count since he now lives more than 100m from OT and doesn't go to every home game.
BTW I think he may be a scouser. I went to every home game when we were in the second divison and I don't remember him.
BTW I think he may be a scouser. I went to every home game when we were in the second divison and I don't remember him.
Originally posted by Wibble:
<strong>Don't listen to Manux. His opinion doesn't count since he now lives more than 100m from OT and doesn't go to every home game.
BTW I think he may be a scouser. I went to every home game when we were in the second divison and I don't remember him.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> You feckin Bluenose City glory hunter (who never goes to Maine road)...
The bit in brackets is true <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
Off to bed now. I'll be interested to see how these gloryhunter/real fan threads develop.
Manux - you get my email re. the fringe thingumy?
Manux - you get my email re. the fringe thingumy?
Originally posted by Wibble:
<strong>Off to bed now. I'll be interested to see how these gloryhunter/real fan threads develop.
Manux - you get my email re. the fringe thingumy?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, see you there. Oh someones spreading gossip about you on the World cup forum...
Originally posted by manux399:
<strong>United's popular worldwide support came following Munich. Liverpools came following their European victories, to me these fans could be called Glory-Hunters not ours, but to me anyone who has followed their club through hard times is a supporter. Some of us remember United in Division two...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let's get one thing clear. Glory-hunting is a very common thing in any sport and I guess it is quite off-putting for those who have supported the team through the years to see a surge in United support over the past few years IN THE UK.
However, if you are a foreigner, is there much hope for supporting yet not being a glory hunter? I grew up in South America, knowing pretty much feck all about European, let alone English football. You could only ever start SUPPORTING a team once you have watched it play and actively followed it. We only got that chance in the 90s with cable, ESPN, etc (and largely for CL games, I've never seen a Sunderland game, for instance, just seen them in PL goals/scores reviews). In other regions football was not as popular (e.g. Oz).
So, having no local element involved and only being able to watch a handful of teams the choices are few. It just happens to be that United have done very well in the 90s, so what?
Personally, the teams I most knew about were, for obvious historical reasons, Man Utd and Liverpool. Therefore I first checked out those. In fact, I was not attracted to United because I tend to prefer the underdog. However, a few Pool games put me off the idea of supporting them, they were shit boring to watch in fairness.
I stayed clear for a while, mainly because the concept of supporting a team whose icon was a guy dating a spice girl really didn't appeal to me (probably rubbish criteria, I know). Then came the CL that changed everything, not because they won it but because I discovered that fantastic player that Roy Keane was. Despite still being put off by the Spice factor I started following the campaign just to see Keano in action. And even without him playing I HAD to watch the final as the bug had started growing in me (I really had no choice after previous games, and then you can't seriously support a team with Oliver Kahn in it, he is too fecking ugly, rubbish criteria again I guess but the same rule applies to Arsenal and Keown).
And then come those last minutes and that's all it takes. Supporting a team is about memories, it's about magic moments. It's about a gobsmacked SAF summarising your thoughts in one statement "Football, bloody hell!".
Until the last minute against Leverkusen I waited for that to happen again, I guess it was asking too much. However, if in 10 years time United are in the Nationwide League (highly unlikely, I know) I will still support them for that one magic moment.
Am I a hard core fan, certainly not. Do I have any knowledge of scousers/dippers to have a go at them? No. I guess I miss out on a lot of the rivalry factor there (although I do enjoy the banter on the forum). Do I have the right to say Heskey is an oversized cry-baby who keeps tripping on his own feet? Certainly.
Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>I've never seen a Sunderland game, for instance, </strong><hr></blockquote>
Count yourself lucky, mate.
Originally posted by geordie1:
<strong>
Count yourself lucky, mate.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by manux399:
<strong>
Yes, see you there. Oh someones spreading gossip about you on the World cup forum...
Where? Never been in there. Maybe I should start.
Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>
Let's get one thing clear. Glory-hunting is a very common thing in any sport and I guess it is quite off-putting for those who have supported the team through the years to see a surge in United support over the past few years IN THE UK.
Lets get one thing clear, there has been no surge in United support over the last few years, we've had the best support for the last forty years. That's not my claim it's fact check Rothmans folks. When we were in Division two we had a better average home gate than Liverpool, Leeds and Derby (The big boys back then)...! Take a look at Arsenals gates in the mid 70's... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> (don't mention Newcastles)
Personally I don't care where the support comes from, I have more respect for a Red from Toquay who's been to every game for the past ten years than one who comes from Salford who's attended 4 games this year...!
What pisses me off is that the club we built is now making more money than ever but not putting back into the club but shareholders pockets. If we made average profits of 50+ million over the last three years token gestures such as RVN and Veron amount to around 35% (I've not worked it out) pretty crap really and not a bad dividend..!
Of course if the PLC spent more money on players the Championship manager brigade would be even worse
Originally posted by Wibble:
<strong>Of course if the PLC spent more money on players the Championship manager brigade would be even worse
Well your mate would be...
Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
<strong>
Hmmm, they've been sharing their profit lately to the shareholders?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good point I've not seen any cheques recently, mind you I probably forgot to tell of my change of address. The dividend would probably cover the postage...
Originally posted by manux399:
<strong>
Good point I've not seen any cheques recently, mind you I probably forgot to tell of my change of address. The dividend would probably cover the postage...
2.0 pence per share or something