Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)

red thru&thru said:
Has anything come out from the Glazers yet about noy wanting to sell or dismissing rumours of people bidding for the club?
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No. Mitten said their people leaked the Bloomberg article around wanting investment and for the first time the message isn’t “the club is not for sale” - no doubt something is happening behind the scenes.
 
The protests are not about politics.
Its about the debt and the parasites bleeding the club until there is nothing left for future generations.
I know mates my age who have followed United from the 60s who have just given up saying 'we have seen the best of the club'.
And I was one of them.
But I want our club to be here for many generations to come.
The new owners whoever they are need to invest in the squad, stadium and training facilities.
With what the club is worth on the Balance Sheet, we cannot expect those who will invest to be people we will all love.

But the club must be run as a football club.

Until the Glazers leave, the protests must continue.
Only us supporters can save our club.
 
Red Dreams said:
The protests are not about politics.
Its about the debt and the parasites bleeding the club until there is nothing left for future generations.
I know mates my age who have followed United from the 60s who have just given up saying 'we have seen the best of the club'.
And I was one of them.
But I want our club to be here for many generations to come.
The new owners whoever they are need to invest in the squad, stadium and training facilities.
With what the club is worth on the Balance Sheet, we cannot expect those who will invest to be people we will all love.

But the club must be run as a football club.

Until the Glazers leave, the protests must continue.
Only us supporters can save our club.
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Agree 100%. We need to keep pushing (non-violently), both inside and outside the ground, both in-person and online.
 
Red Dreams said:
The protests are not about politics.
Its about the debt and the parasites bleeding the club until there is nothing left for future generations.
I know mates my age who have followed United from the 60s who have just given up saying 'we have seen the best of the club'.
And I was one of them.
But I want our club to be here for many generations to come.
The new owners whoever they are need to invest in the squad, stadium and training facilities.
With what the club is worth on the Balance Sheet, we cannot expect those who will invest to be people we will all love.

But the club must be run as a football club.

Until the Glazers leave, the protests must continue.
Only us supporters can save our club.
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Well said
 
They've been as popular as a nonce at a picnic for the best part of 2 decades. There really isn't going to be a desire to sell after a sudden realisation the fans hate them. I get the protests. What I struggle with is this optimism that it's suddenly going to be effective and successful.
 
stw2022 said:
They've been as popular as a nonce at a picnic for the best part of 2 decades. There really isn't going to be a desire to sell after a sudden realisation the fans hate them.
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How about a sudden realisation they need funds for a major infrastructure project they can’t afford?
 
Cassidy said:
How about a sudden realisation they need funds for a major infrastructure project they can’t afford?
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Nobody can "afford" it. Look at all the major infrastructure investments going on in world football over the last and coming up over next few years. Regardless of the net worth of the owners nobody are paying these sums outright.

We know the club are already looking at getting investment and raising money to do this. Again it seems to be on the same lines of the protest back in the day where the expectation suddenly was that the Glazer family who bought the club knowing that they would be plunging us into debt would suddenly wish to sell the club shocked that it was in debt .

They also have a history of sports team ownership I do not think it's anything other than extremely naive to think that they wouldn't have been aware of situations like this. The need to invest infrastructure happens periodically for all sports teams. You don't get to own a major Premier league and NFL sports teams if these things come as a surprise

Whatever you can say about them I find it strange that the base assumption appears to be that they are f****** morons. They are really not. Parasites maybe.

A seasoned sports team owner who would be aware of periodic massive infrastructure investment requirements who is actually actively planning the next infrastructure project is not going to suddenly sell up in response to having to invest in an upcoming predictable infrastructure project.
 
stw2022 said:
Nobody can "afford" it. Look at all the major infrastructure investments going on in world football over the last and coming up over next few years. Regardless of the net worth of the owners nobody are paying these sums outright.

We know the club are already looking at getting investment and raising money to do this. Again it seems to be on the same lines of the protest back in the day where the expectation suddenly was that the Glazer family who bought the club knowing that they would be plunging us into debt would suddenly wish to sell the club shocked that it was in debt .

They also have a history of sports team ownership I do not think it's anything other than extremely naive to think that they wouldn't have been aware of situations like this. The need to invest infrastructure happens periodically for all sports teams. You don't get to own a major Premier league and NFL sports teams if these things come as a surprise

Whatever you can say about them I find it strange that the base assumption appears to be that they are f****** morons. They are really not. Parasites maybe.

A seasoned sports team owner who would be aware of periodic massive infrastructure investment requirements who is actually actively planning the next infrastructure project is not going to suddenly sell up in response to having to invest in an upcoming predictable infrastructure project.
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Yeah but when they wanted to invest in the Tampa bay buccaneers stadium Didn’t they just threaten to move the club out of Tampa so the city council funded a new stadium to get them to stay. That ain’t ever happening here.
 
stw2022 said:
Nobody can "afford" it. Look at all the major infrastructure investments going on in world football over the last and coming up over next few years. Regardless of the net worth of the owners nobody are paying these sums outright.

We know the club are already looking at getting investment and raising money to do this. Again it seems to be on the same lines of the protest back in the day where the expectation suddenly was that the Glazer family who bought the club knowing that they would be plunging us into debt would suddenly wish to sell the club shocked that it was in debt .

They also have a history of sports team ownership I do not think it's anything other than extremely naive to think that they wouldn't have been aware of situations like this. The need to invest infrastructure happens periodically for all sports teams. You don't get to own a major Premier league and NFL sports teams if these things come as a surprise

Whatever you can say about them I find it strange that the base assumption appears to be that they are f****** morons. They are really not. Parasites maybe.

A seasoned sports team owner who would be aware of periodic massive infrastructure investment requirements who is actually actively planning the next infrastructure project is not going to suddenly sell up in response to having to invest in an upcoming predictable infrastructure project.
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So you are not aware of the state of the facilities now which devalues their asset?

So how comes they couldn't fund the Buccaneers new stadium then, and were looking to move the team out of Tampa as a result?

So hows come they are now looking to sell a percentage of their stake in United to fund infrastructure investment?

They have depleted the cash reserves of United to the extent at which significant investments are needed for infrastructure improvements that cannot be fulfilled with the club's own finances. They have NEVER invested their own money into their sports teams; it's not going to happen now is it?

And you think they are some savvy business people? Granted their father was, but these lot no, most of the companies they inherited are doing worse now than when they took over.
 
Red Dreams said:
The protests are not about politics.
Its about the debt and the parasites bleeding the club until there is nothing left for future generations.
I know mates my age who have followed United from the 60s who have just given up saying 'we have seen the best of the club'.
And I was one of them.
But I want our club to be here for many generations to come.
The new owners whoever they are need to invest in the squad, stadium and training facilities.
With what the club is worth on the Balance Sheet, we cannot expect those who will invest to be people we will all love.

But the club must be run as a football club.

Until the Glazers leave, the protests must continue.
Only us supporters can save our club.
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Spot on.
 
stw2022 said:
They've been as popular as a nonce at a picnic for the best part of 2 decades. There really isn't going to be a desire to sell after a sudden realisation the fans hate them. I get the protests. What I struggle with is this optimism that it's suddenly going to be effective and successful.
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Well there are a few things

Glazers aren’t denying it for the first time

Leaks that they’re open to selling at least a minority stake (which according to some
was a Glazer leak)

There’s supposedly a conflict of interest among the Glazers with some definitely wanting to sell

An actual billionaire with enough money to buy the club has expressed a public interest, which I’m certain he wouldn’t have done without some encouragement

The club have publicly announced they’re looking into options for a stadium and training ground redevelopment - meaning the glazers will either have to dip into their own pockets for the first time ever, or load more debt on the club and risk a ma-husive backlash.

Personally I feel things are finally coming to a head. It may take a couple of years for anything to be finalised but it really feels like something is finally happening in the background
 
Mike Keegans article this week literally just named group who might be able to afford the club in theory. I find it strange how the response to this was so uncritical everyone just took it as read our new Dubai overlords were packing their bags to tavel to Manchester
 
Mickeza said:
No. Mitten said their people leaked the Bloomberg article around wanting investment and for the first time the message isn’t “the club is not for sale” - no doubt something is happening behind the scenes.
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Agreed. Something has to be going on. The stock has increased by about 10% recently, amongst all these rumours, so they have to comment something soon.
 
Red Dreams said:
The protests are not about politics.
Its about the debt and the parasites bleeding the club until there is nothing left for future generations.
I know mates my age who have followed United from the 60s who have just given up saying 'we have seen the best of the club'.
And I was one of them.
But I want our club to be here for many generations to come.
The new owners whoever they are need to invest in the squad, stadium and training facilities.
With what the club is worth on the Balance Sheet, we cannot expect those who will invest to be people we will all love.

But the club must be run as a football club.

Until the Glazers leave, the protests must continue.
Only us supporters can save our club.
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I’m with you!
 
Red Dreams said:
The protests are not about politics.
Its about the debt and the parasites bleeding the club until there is nothing left for future generations.
I know mates my age who have followed United from the 60s who have just given up saying 'we have seen the best of the club'.
And I was one of them.
But I want our club to be here for many generations to come.
The new owners whoever they are need to invest in the squad, stadium and training facilities.
With what the club is worth on the Balance Sheet, we cannot expect those who will invest to be people we will all love.

But the club must be run as a football club.

Until the Glazers leave, the protests must continue.
Only us supporters can save our club.
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Very well said. Let’s keep it up everyone.
 
red thru&thru said:
Plenty of times.
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Must of missed it, last time we've heard anything publically from them was Joel Glazers open letter after the super league fiasco and a few fan forum apperances. Other than that they've been pretty quiet throughout their time at the club and don't think they have said anything during the many other times sale rumours came about.
 
They will sell if Dubai comes in I’m sure of it. I guarantee Jim Ratcliffe will never own our club if they are serious.

He already owns Nice. Give him time there but hardly breaking any sort of records despite some decent acquisitions in recent years. Currently 16th in their league but we’ll see. Finished 5th last season so okay I guess.

Dubai are just about the best owners we can get in the market. It really would be exciting with owners who will actually back the club in infrastructure mainly.
 
There's literally nothing to this Dubai story except for Mike Keegan name dropping them in an article in the context of 'people who could afford the club if they wanted to buy it'

I get the desire to clutch at straws but this isn't even a straw
 
stw2022 said:
There's literally nothing to this Dubai story except for Mike Keegan name dropping them in an article in the context of 'people who could afford the club if they wanted to buy it'

I get the desire to clutch at straws but this isn't even a straw
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Yep. Dubai may be looking to buy a club, and this has been rumored for some time so it's not news at all, but there has not been any indication it's Manchester United. The only ones reporting on a potential sale are bottom tier sources like The Daily Mail and Mirror and it's not hard to make up links like that. The only reliable information we have about any potential sale is about the Glazers selling a minority stake. The protest continue as they should, but you can see the unrest has gone down after the last minute purchases and a few good results. The Glazers made the deal of a lifetime buying the club and are going nowhere anytime soon.
 
Red Dreams said:
The protests are not about politics.
Its about the debt and the parasites bleeding the club until there is nothing left for future generations.
I know mates my age who have followed United from the 60s who have just given up saying 'we have seen the best of the club'.
And I was one of them.
But I want our club to be here for many generations to come.
The new owners whoever they are need to invest in the squad, stadium and training facilities.
With what the club is worth on the Balance Sheet, we cannot expect those who will invest to be people we will all love.

But the club must be run as a football club.

Until the Glazers leave, the protests must continue.
Only us supporters can save our club.
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I agree with the sentiment, but we have to draw the line somewhere. I wouldn't want to be owned by Saudi Arabia just because they'd run us as a football club. What sort of legacy is that to leave behind for future generations?
 
The way i see it on here is there are two ways of looking at it. We get bought but its a very high probability it will be by a regime with some bad publicity in their background, or we stick with the glazers. If you dont like the first option whats the point moaning about the second? This is the only thing that doesnt make sense to me as the folks that say they would sooner keep the glazers, but then keep moaning about them. Why when you want them over the other option?
 
Dempsey19 said:
Our new found form or the whispers of them looking to sell causing this ?

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The stock has gone up, and unexplainably so. Only explanation so far is, in regards to the sale of the club. So, soon enough, the Glazers will have to confirm whether the club is for sale, or not!
 
red thru&thru said:
The stock has gone up, and unexplainably so. Only explanation so far is, in regards to the sale of the club. So, soon enough, the Glazers will have to confirm whether the club is for sale, or not!
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Why will they? They're not a public utility. I suspect they'll continue to say feck all to everyone

Stock being at a 4 month high in less hysterical circumstances rarely leads to an expectation of a public statement.
 
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stw2022 said:
Why will they? They're not a public utility. I suspect they'll continue to say feck all to everyone

Stock being at a 4 month high in less hysterical circumstances rarely leads to an expectation of a public statement.
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Do you research first and then comment.
 
redcucumber said:
I agree with the sentiment, but we have to draw the line somewhere. I wouldn't want to be owned by Saudi Arabia just because they'd run us as a football club. What sort of legacy is that to leave behind for future generations?
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The modern reality is any club that is as huge as we are will be owned by people we will not be happy with.
A family or business from Manchester cannot afford to own our club anymore.
All we have to do is look at where the World Cup is being held this year and see how far we have fallen in terms of the sport all of us love.
FIFA, UEFA and all the FAs are all corrupt.

The hope of those who protest is to ensure future generations can still go to watch their club in a stadium that is worthy of history of the club.

Money has taken away the sport of the Working Man. We must salvage whet we can.
 
Sky's response to the copied letter the 1958 asked us to send:

Good Afternoon

Thank you for taking the time to contact Sky.

There is no directive nor any editorial decision to mask specific chanting related to Manchester United's ownership – and we can confirm that no such action was taken in the games you reference. Sky Sports Premier League coverage, including contributing experts, and Sky Sports News coverage, has all contained discussion and debate on the topic of ownership including fan views.



There are a number of microphones surrounding the pitch and the audio mix will focus on those closest to the phase of play. This can make the sound on TV different to that which an individual fan might experience live in a particular section of a stadium.



Under Ofcom guidelines, broadcasters are required to provide adequate protection to audiences from harmful and offensive material. On occasion Sky will limit the audio when offensive language can be heard, but to confirm again, we did not take any preventative measures during the games you reference.

Kind Regards
Paul
Viewer Relations
 
It's out of the Trumpian play book to whip up support for a cause by using unfounded accusations of media conspiracy..

Sky don't give a toss.
 
Are there more plans on a protest ? I feel like we should be doing 1 a month to keep it going otherwise it just gets forgotten about . That walk to OT was very well organised v Liverpool .
The songs inside the ground haven’t stopped to be fair.
 
There's been a recent video circulating around on Twitter, of the roof leaking inside. Just the pure negligence of these owners is incredible.

Gary Neville wasn't lying when he said OT will crumble in a few years time, of no real investment is made to OT...investment that the Glazers haven't got.
 
I understand the frustration, but I think Manutd has it themselves to blame for not being competitive for so long.

So much money is spent for years on players who can't do anything with it.

If ManUtd wants to get back on their feet quickly, they must form a partnership and give all the credit to Ajax.

Also, the club does not have a good youth training, maybe they could also work on that?
 
AjaxToday said:
I understand the frustration, but I think Manutd has it themselves to blame for not being competitive for so long.

So much money is spent for years on players who can't do anything with it.

If ManUtd wants to get back on their feet quickly, they must form a partnership and give all the credit to Ajax.

Also, the club does not have a good youth training, maybe they could also work on that?
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It’s largely due to the club not having a vision or future proofing the dominance we once exerted in the PL and CL. Managers with completely different approaches, who’ve shelled out on players suited to styles of play that ETH has no use for, often on huge contracts.
Also lack of investment in the youth squad and Carrington have been contributing factors, the blend of youth players and journeyman was hugely successful under SAF.
 
red thru&thru said:
There's been a recent video circulating around on Twitter, of the roof leaking inside. Just the pure negligence of these owners is incredible.

Gary Neville wasn't lying when he said OT will crumble in a few years time, of no real investment is made to OT...investment that the Glazers haven't got.
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The reason for Casemiro and Anthony late purchases was because the penny pinching Glazer whoresons failed to sign Frankie.
Erik gave them an ultimatum after the first two losses.

There is some talk he may still come in January.

This is how they have handicapped the manager.

The protests must go on until they are removed.
 
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