Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)

UnitedSofa said:
See my post above as to why the DOF/Fletcher are the right calls.

New CEO has left ALL football matters to DOF/Fletcher and getting Rangnick/Ten Hag in are the right calls and what the fans have been calling for for years. But apparently now that's not good enough.

The club has stooped so low that they will never win even putting thing in the right direction is wrong. Jheeze.

Rangnick was never meant to be a part of the new manager process. He was supposed to advise the club after his position as interim had ended. If that had occurred you'd complain that the club is taking too long to hire a new manager and it should have been done before the season ended. Rangnick (as interim) can't advise the club on a new manager and sort out the shower of shite we have already, that's a 24/7 job in itself!
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The new CEO has left all football matters…they said the same thing about Woodward when Ole was hired and the new struture was unvieled. What are you not getting, you cannot take what these people say at face value. Proof is in the pudding

It doesnt matter if you want to say Murtough and Fletcher are the right choices. The fact still remains that they have little experience in what we need at the top level of the game this is a fact. Murtough less so but it still rings true.

Your point about Rangnick not being able to do both is exactly my point…. We hired him for the wrong job. Yes thats our new structure getting a big football decision wrong. He was not the right choice for an interim manager. He was only the right choice for working at the football director level of the club and he is yet to do so and maybe he will only do so for a couple of days a month. So thats a bad call, type the old regime would make too.

There is no point going around lauding the new structure (same thing happened when we announced the one under Ole) until we see proof that these things are actually happening. (We have seen reports from agents already that they have only spoken to Matt Judge and not Fletcher or Murtough which was a massive problem that was called out last summer and the summer before.
 
Green Arrow said:
He doesn't have any he was I think taking his coaching badges and somehow ended up in this new position. He's going to be learning on the job.
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'Learning on the job'. Just what we need. And some people think we now have a 'football structure'. Deluded
 
Glazers have PR on lock. They will dangle the new shiny thing fans want but ultimately change little and we lap it up every summer
 
Gordon Godot said:
'Learning on the job'. Just what we need. And some people think we now have a 'football structure'. Deluded
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We should be past this "Learning on the job" thing we should be getting the best people out there for the job. I would give Ralf the DOF job and Paul Mitchell the assistant DOF job if he is leaving Monaco. If he isn't we should be getting him regardless. Murtough and Fletcher should not be anywhere near the recruitment of new players and the forward vision of the club going forward.
 
Green Arrow said:
We should be past this "Learning on the job" thing we should be getting the best people out there for the job. I would give Ralf the DOF job and Paul Mitchell the assistant DOF job if he is leaving Monaco. If he isn't we should be getting him regardless. Murtough and Fletcher should not be anywhere near the recruitment of new players and the forward vision of the club going forward.
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Exactly, its not hard, its really not. Mitchell respected as one of the best out there. But Glazers keep it tight with their little inner circle, where it seems loyatly is prized way above experience and competence. Pathetic. Worse that fans buy the PR sh*t still.
 
Gordon Godot said:
Exactly, its not hard, its really not. Mitchell respected as one of the best out there. But Glazers keep it tight with their little inner circle, where it seems loyatly is prized way above experience and competence. Pathetic. Worse that fans buy the PR sh*t still.
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Ofcourse you're right it's all about mates in the club if the club seriously want to change this time round they need to listen to what Ralf has said in the quotes yesterday and after the match. I hope they do listen to him because if they don't and they still veto EtH then he will fail and we will be back here again in three years complaining about the same thing.
 
To be fair to Murtough and Fletcher, it's still early days.

But the early signs are not promising at all:

1) Appoint Rangnick to implement a new style of play but totally abandon it after a few months
2) Didn't identify the players required for the new style of play in Jan window
3) Didn't persist with the new style of play to build foundation for next season
4) Item 1 to 3 above basically shows that we threw away the entire season in Nov after sacking Ole. This is not an acceptable way to run Man Utd at all.
5) Failing to get Top 4 is entirely on Murtough and Fletcher failed to plan properly to appoint a suitable interim manager, back him with Jan signings and persist with the style of play. Instead, they gave in to players' power to revert back to Ole's football again.

Moving forward next season, hope they will get the basic right with the following:

1) Appoint ETH or any modern proactive attacking football manager
2) Sign the players the new manager needs for the style of play. This could easily be about 5 to 7 quality new signings. Most of our current players are not up to the standard of Man Utd (even after we wasted 1 billion pound).
3) The new football structure must ensure continuity for long term with clear vision in scouting, signings, youth and manager appointment. It also need to support the manager to stop the players' power and dressing room leaks to the press (this has been going on for many season)
4) Next season we must not allow the team to play like the current bunch with lack of fitness, passion, desire and not properly coached. The fitness must be at least comparable to City & Liverpool. They are all best paid professional football players in the world, no reason we expect less from them.
5) Revamp the medical department to improve injury records
6) To appoint another director (whatever title you want to name it) who has worked in a big clubs with proven tracks records building a major club in Europe.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
To be fair to Murtough and Fletcher, it's still early days.

But the early signs are not promising at all:

1) Appoint Rangnick to implement a new style of play but totally abandon it after a few months
2) Didn't identify the players required for the new style of play in Jan window
3) Didn't persist with the new style of play to build foundation for next season
4) Item 1 to 3 above basically shows that we threw away the entire season in Nov after sacking Ole. This is not an acceptable way to run Man Utd at all.
5) Failing to get Top 4 is entirely on Murtough and Fletcher failed to plan properly to appoint a suitable interim manager, back him with Jan signings and persist with the style of play. Instead, they gave in to players' power to revert back to Ole's football again.

Moving forward next season, hope they will get the basic right with the following:

1) Appoint ETH or any modern proactive attacking football manager
2) Sign the players the new manager needs for the style of play. This could easily be about 5 to 7 quality new signings. Most of our current players are not up to the standard of Man Utd (even after we wasted 1 billion pound).
3) The new football structure must ensure continuity for long term with clear vision in scouting, signings, youth and manager appointment. It also need to support the manager to stop the players' power and dressing room leaks to the press (this has been going on for many season)
4) Next season we must not allow the team to play like the current bunch with lack of fitness, passion, desire and not properly coached. The fitness must be at least comparable to City & Liverpool. They are all best paid professional football players in the world, no reason we expect less from them.
5) Revamp the medical department to improve injury records
6) To appoint another director (whatever title you want to name it) who has worked in a big clubs with proven tracks records building a major club in Europe.
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This post is mindboggling beyond belief.

1) You really think it was Murtough's/Fletcher's decision to abandon a new style of play? Or do you think it was Ralf seeing how inept the players are so went back to what worked with the current crop of players. Murtough/Fletcher do NOT have that amount of power.
2) You really think it's wise to buy new players for an interim when a permanent manager (who we didn't know who it was going to be in Jan) is coming in and may not like or need the players we bought. You'd then complain about the squad being bloated with deadwood players on high wages.
3) Again, new style of play, the players don't seem to want to or even can follow the style of play Ralf wanted! Who's to say the new manager would play the same football as Ralf!
4) If you think Man Utd who sat Ralf down last week or week before and told him that Europe is paramount to the future of Man Utd, that they "threw away" the season, then I don't know what to say because NO CLUB, regardless of who's running it, would do that. Glazers are businessmen and throwing a season away is ridiculous way to make money. Why? Because it loses money!
5) No point addressing point 5 because I'd just be repeating myself.

Points 1 - 6 we are all doing right now.

Also there's no way we're signing 7 quality players in 1 window. No way. No club has ever done that.
 
Gordon Godot said:
So you are happy that all football matters are left to Darren Fletcher. Really? Remind me onece again what his qualifications are for this fundamental role at one of the biggest football clubs in the world?
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Petr Cech and Maldini had zero experience as Technical Directors but that's their role at their current clubs.
Michael Edwards of Liverpool worked under a failed DOF in Damien Commoli but Liverpool promoted him to the DOF role even though he was part of the "failed" football structure.
Maybe wait and see how Murtough and Fletcher do over time? I should add we'll appoint a Deputy DOF so that's another footballing brain. They've only recently gotten power to make football decisions and even though Rangnick hasn't worked out as a manager hiring him as a Consultant afterwards then Ten Hag is a good start. We'd have never made such a decision under Ed Woodward
 
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Can you people then for the love of Christ stop rendering Murtough and Fletcher as failures from the get go and see how they do? Whether people like it or not they've been making good football decisions at face value
 
RkkMan said:

Can you people then for the love of Christ stop rendering Murtough and Fletcher as failures from the get go and see how they do? Whether people like it or not they've been making good football decisions at face value
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Good. Feck off! There’s a whole host of others who shouldn’t be far behind them.
 
steffyr2 said:
Well, we aren't a very entertaining team.
Did he stop watching when Ole became manager? The beloved ex-player that the fans wanted so badly?
btw, who is Sam Pilger? And how does he know what Joel Glazer watches?
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Think he means he hasn't been to a game in over three years.
 
UnitedFan93 said:
For those interested, there's going to be a 73rd minute walkout today.
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One last protest for the season until we start getting a few rubbish results next season and green and gold are back out in force again.
 
UnitedFan93 said:
For those interested, there's going to be a 73rd minute walkout today.
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I'm not sure whether it was poor planning or the performance of the team caught people off-guard but this was a bit of a poor showing.
 



extend contracts and boost wages.....because you could cook the books to make it look like a good thing financially.


JFC we are run by con men.
 
Maintain asset value by giving away money and players walking for free in the end. Brilliant!
 
So basically, because the two idiots (Woodward and Judge) were trying to brown nose the Glazers, show profit margins and make themselves a small personal fortune off the back of our club and history, the likes of Jones and Lingard have made themselves millions for doing nothing apart from taking the piss out of our club
 
WPMUFC said:



extend contracts and boost wages.....because you could cook the books to make it look like a good thing financially.


JFC we are run by con men.
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Asset value god they were truly a bunch of clowns
 
I’m loving my life said:
So basically, because the two idiots (Woodward and Judge) were trying to brown nose the Glazers, show profit margins and make themselves a small personal fortune off the back of our club and history, the likes of Jones and Lingard have made themselves millions for doing nothing apart from taking the piss out of our club
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Yeah they have caused serious damage
 
I’m not quite sure why the Glazers actually aren’t selling us. The argument is usually that we make them too much money but do we really? They take out a total of about £20m a year in dividends. That seems absolutely pitiful when you consider they could probably sell us for £5bn.
 
Tavern in the town said:
I’m not quite sure why the Glazers actually aren’t selling us. The argument is usually that we make them too much money but do we really? They take out a total of about £20m a year in dividends. That seems absolutely pitiful when you consider they could probably sell us for £5bn.
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The general assumption has always been that they are waiting on the combined windfalls of a European Super League and streaming rights bonanza. It's been speculated that they would sell in the interim, but only for an enormous offer well above stock market valuation - the problem is, there aren't many entities rich/stupid enough to pay their asking price.
 
Tavern in the town said:
I’m not quite sure why the Glazers actually aren’t selling us. The argument is usually that we make them too much money but do we really? They take out a total of about £20m a year in dividends. That seems absolutely pitiful when you consider they could probably sell us for £5bn.
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It seems their overall project is to 'grow the asset' which they have done, and taken annual profits as well, bought for around £0.8B, now worth around £3B. More to come in 'growing the asset' (see below)

Infra-red said:
The general assumption has always been that they are waiting on the combined windfalls of a European Super League and streaming rights bonanza.
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Probably the final piece of the 'growing the asset' strategy.... its a question of how long it will take for the European Super League (inside or outside UEFA) to arrive and the big boys like Netflix, Amazon and Disney+ to get in on the act. A new manager, more sensible transfer policy and a lick of paint around OT, should see them through!
 
Adisa said:
The man is a terrorist.
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How was this ever allowed to become the norm in the club? It is quite literally contradictory to every part of a footballers value and resale prospects. Using the example from the tweet, pumping more money in Bailly's wages and him being shit has a direct correlation with a WORSE resale value. We either eat wages in a sale, reduce the transfer fee to cover wages, the player has to eat wages, or waits for a free.

And to top it all off, if you have world class players that are seeking to win the treble every season, you are seeking to continually increase their contract length and wages.....to keep them at the fecking club to win more things.

Woodward must look at Liverpool not wanting to pay salah and hurts himself in confusion, the fecking twat.
 
WPMUFC said:
How was this ever allowed to become the norm in the club? It is quite literally contradictory to every part of a footballers value and resale prospects. Using the example from the tweet, pumping more money in Bailly's wages and him being shit has a direct correlation with a WORSE resale value. We either eat wages in a sale, reduce the transfer fee to cover wages, the player has to eat wages, or waits for a free.

And to top it all off, if you have world class players that are seeking to win the treble every season, you are seeking to continually increase their contract length and wages.....to keep them at the fecking club to win more things.

Woodward must look at Liverpool not wanting to pay salah and hurts himself in confusion, the fecking twat.
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I don't believe the resale thing myself as it doesn't make any sense for the reasons you mention. We don't even actively try to sell them. I think the main reason we do it is because it's cheaper than buying quality replacements.
 
Rolaholic said:


Must be nice :lol::(
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Looks like the sale has gone through. Chelsea essentially had government intervention to force a sale and that sale has already put them light-years ahead of us in business management and investment.

We are so fecked as a club. Ralf was right but didn't go far enough, not only the squad but the club as a whole is at least 10 years out of step with the powers of world football and we are pissing in the wind. I don't think we realise just how bare the club is behind the scenes. We just see the flashy new toys dangled in our faces and everything else is a garbage dump.
 
The way things are going, something drastic needs to happen. Nothing Reds do in England will have an effect

A few hundred reds protesting (peacefully) in Tampa would make them think though I’m sure.

If I were a rich man, I would discreetly send a bunch over
 
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