Saw them in Dublin a few weeks ago and they basically played this set and it was mint. Half the crowd seemed to only know a few of their more popular tunes and hadn't a clue what to make of Smith.
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The first of those times, I ended up (for reasons that are too long and bizarre to go into) going to the first gig theyd played after ODB died, complete with full roster, with my dad, at a Ski resort, and a crowd of almost entirely white preppy Americans.... and yet he still maintains to this day that Meth was one of the best live performers he’s ever seen, after he did M.E.T.H.O.D Man standing in the middle of the crowd, with the audience holding his feet... and he’s seen Bowie, The Stones (young, not pickled) etc...
They’re an entirely different show without him.
Like Pete Townsend and that book he was writing.
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Sounds about right, was the same when I saw them at ready which obviously is full of GCSE leavers who pretty much knew Friday I’m In Love.
Obviously they made them sit through 2 hours of their stuff before finally giving them the popular 3 or 4 songs. I loved it though.
Cure playing well tonight.
Robert Smith's voice has held up pretty well over the years.
Push.
I fecking love Push.
I fecking love Push.
That Method Man performance sounds absolutely mental, and also awesome.
The Cure in "their prime" was way before my time, but have decent knowledge of them.
They sound amazing, not far off their studio stuff. Don't know of many bands in their 60s that still sound this good...
They sound amazing, not far off their studio stuff. Don't know of many bands in their 60s that still sound this good...
pretty much the same. The played Wendy Time and it was just me and some 40 year old guy singing along so he went up and gave me a big stoner hug. Good times.Why have the BBC got such a hardon for this?
Every time you turn on the news, there is a huge segment on it.
Are they sponsoring it or something?
Every time you turn on the news, there is a huge segment on it.
Are they sponsoring it or something?
It's absolutely ridiculous.
Ah, they played Just Like a Heaven. That's me satisfied 
Thats all well and good but does every grime tune today have to use the same old cheap sounded hi hats ? The reason we used FL(Fruity loops)as teenagers wasn't because of the love of shite sounding instrument samples but because it was available to download free on the internet. Its like the musical interpretation of the hipster/dressing like a bum fashion thread a few years ago.
Anyway while I'm not really a fan of Stormyz stuff(Again his beats are shite and I'm just too old and white)his performance was clearly the most interesting thing done at Glastonbury in years.
I reckon Robert Smith spends the vast majority of his time incognito as “Robert Smith; but with a normal hairstyle and no makeup” getting the tube, going to Costa, using public toilets in North London, etc, and absolutely no one knows who the feck he is. And that’s the reason he still cultivates this weird “stuck in the emo 80s” stage style...So he can be left alone to be quiet and weird anonymously the rest of the time.
And I must say, I admire him for this imaginary attitude.
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I’ve never thought about it before but now you’ve said it I’m all aboard this imaginary double life you’ve invented. I think his hair is a wig and he’s a complete slaphead underneath
Watching this on iPlayer and hearing Burn has reminded me that I need to watch The Crow.
Tbf, as a big fan of UK hip hop in the 00s, I’ve never totally warmed to Grime as a phenomena, because I always kinda think it’s more “garage warmed up” than proper lyricism... but I’m aware that that is also a generational preference. Plus 36 Chambers is unquestionably still the best Wu Tang album precisely because it feels viscerally cheap and raw. Same as punk originally did. Sometimes that just connects more with the youth of the times than a polished product.
Stupid thing to say but this performance almost sounds too good, feel like I've just stuck on their album rather than watching a gig.
I always liked bands who get alittle bit more creative when they're live and slightly divert from certain elements of their album released songs.
Radiohead ,to name one,are very good at this.
I dont like live music finely tuned.I like abit spontaneity and chaos.It sounds and feels more natural.
Radiohead ,to name one,are very good at this.
I dont like live music finely tuned.I like abit spontaneity and chaos.It sounds and feels more natural.
The Cure were fecking qualitee back in their heyday. Lost interest in the mid ‘90s personally but performed better tonight than I thought they could at this stage of their career, Smith’s voice has bearly changed.
Nice to hear plenty from Disintegration. Their best album no doubt.
Nice to hear plenty from Disintegration. Their best album no doubt.
Great set from them.
Six different ways still my favourite song.
Six different ways still my favourite song.
So this means nothing to you then - ''I was on Oxford Street, you was in the hood screw face with a ostrich beak.'' - Wiley
What I like about grime from the lyrics to the beats is how completely alien it is to Hip Hop(It has more in common with garage and jungle)but I feel most of the new grime beats are too influenced by American Hip Hop which results in this raw sound of bad hi hats and distorted 808 kicks. Maybe I'm just getting old but most of Stormyz beats sounded the same.
Although its to be somewhat expected I guess with Hip Hop now being the biggest music genre in the world. Still there's no excuse for the coldplay guy popping up for a bit of a sing song.When did we start to normalise Chris Martin back into society and why wasn't I warned about it.
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Brilliant. Thanks for that. Wish I’d seen your reply before sitting through 2 hours of the cure in the hope he would appear at some point
Their live albums have a similar quality, unusually pristine sound.
Going to watch the rest of The Cure's set tomorrow, really enjoyed them tonight. Robert Smith still sounds great, I really need to go and see them live at some point.
Stormzy smashed it on the Friday night as expected. I think his headline set will be talked about for a long time.
The Killers were incredibly dull, I was nodding off during them. They played one song twice (What the hell?!) They seemed very reliant on their older material.
I've also watched George Ezra, he was ok I guess, shouldn't be subbing Glastonbury though, third down at best.
Idles were amazing, I saw them at All Points East last month and I enjoyed them but they were proper on it on Friday. They've just sold out Ally Pally and tickets only went on sale Friday, absolutely incredible for their first arena tour.
Tame Impala were good, maybe a bit slow in places.
Liam Gallagher was good as usual.
Vampire Weekend I like them on record but they were boring, set list was underwhelming too.
Babymetal were pretty good, the new dancer was a bit out of time with the other two girls though. The new songs sound great live, makes me tempted to get a ticket for their tour next year.
It's a shame Bring Me the Horizon didn't want to be filmed but they're probably getting fed up with all the back in track remarks and how Oli is miming. Apparently they had a tiny crowd as well.
Stormzy smashed it on the Friday night as expected. I think his headline set will be talked about for a long time.
The Killers were incredibly dull, I was nodding off during them. They played one song twice (What the hell?!) They seemed very reliant on their older material.
I've also watched George Ezra, he was ok I guess, shouldn't be subbing Glastonbury though, third down at best.
Idles were amazing, I saw them at All Points East last month and I enjoyed them but they were proper on it on Friday. They've just sold out Ally Pally and tickets only went on sale Friday, absolutely incredible for their first arena tour.
Tame Impala were good, maybe a bit slow in places.
Liam Gallagher was good as usual.
Vampire Weekend I like them on record but they were boring, set list was underwhelming too.
Babymetal were pretty good, the new dancer was a bit out of time with the other two girls though
. The new songs sound great live, makes me tempted to get a ticket for their tour next year. It's a shame Bring Me the Horizon didn't want to be filmed but they're probably getting fed up with all the back in track remarks and how Oli is miming. Apparently they had a tiny crowd as well.
Absolutely loved The Cure missed them in Dublin a few weeks ago. Did laugh when he said he was going to put his "pop" head back on again for ten minutes. At sixty his voice sounds even better if that's possible. Highlights "Forrest" "Pictures of you" " Disintegration" and of course "Boys don't cry".
And I absolutely prefer this element to the current American Lo-fi equivalent of mumblecore and autotune, but as a lover of jungle, garage and UKHH in their primes, I can’t help but feel Grime is somewhat of a cultural compromise, rather than an amalgamated peak.*
Also, Hip Hop is both old and diverse enough to achieve this disparity within itself. The really good lyricists were always slept on, even in the “golden age”... Big L was the best rapper murdered in 90s.
* though there was/is a school of thought within UKHH (by which I mean, on some AOL forums I frequented in the 00s) that the arbiters of American music were so hyper aware of British musicians basically highjacking (nay, appropriating) all of their stuff - from the Beatles & The Stones, to Led Zep and Pink Floyd, to Black Sabbath, etc - that somewhere along the line, Hip Hop was deliberately fenced off as an unassailably American cultural product, and anyone trying to riff on it was seen as an intruder, or illegitimate. So despite it becoming the biggest thing around, and Brits continuing to break the US in every other genre, our best rappers (like Jehst or Chester P) could never aspire to anything but parochial success. And as such, Grime was born out of a necessity to create a distinctly home grown “way in” for the generation raised on that sound...
...but there were also a lot of “the 9/11 planes were holograms!” threads on those places back then, so who can say, really?
Janelle Monáe
Jesus Christ. She is phenomenal in every way.
Jesus Christ. She is phenomenal in every way.
I like the mumble core and auto tune stuff not because it's any good as of course its complete shite(Kayne is the only who's made auto tune work) but because it proves that Karl Marx is as always correct......bare with me
"Adam Curtis voice over"
"All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind"
The history of Hip Hop be it Biggie or Big L, the lyrics of WU Tang etc get turned into profanity and we are left with the realisation that the music we loved is in fact just a opioid addicted 20 year old countless repeating the word Gucci Gucci over and over again while driving a rented Mercedes.
It's sort of fecking amazing in a very depressing way.
From what I remember Grime was looked down on by especially the garage scene. Which sparked the Wiley song Wot U Call It.
It's sort of hard to for me to argue that grime isn't far better than what came before(And I love me a bit of Metal Headz). Firstly because its what I've grown up so there's always going to be that connection but also there so many sub genres in the grime(To name a few)
.Eskmio - This weird cold sounding music which sounds like the future but this just giant sweet square waves
.Sino Grime - Grime mixed with Asian music(There's a grime scene in Japan which is brilliant)
.RnG - Basically RnB but with grime. Produced some of the memorial grime tracks and is still influential today - Kelela stuff is covered with RnG stuff.
I view Grime similar to Hip Hop or House music in that it can't really die off, it just evolves. Unlike say garage or jungle which isn't coming back, both had their day but it's over.
Cheers never heard of that theory before(The grime one not the hologram planes). I would disagree but again my ''knowledge" is pretty much the odd bits I can remember from my teenage years. Dan Handcox writes brilliant on the grime scene fyi.
As for UKHH I've always thought the biggest struggle was
1) The accent.
2)Both Jesht & Chester P are white and well a certain someone already had the incredibly good white guy rapper market locked down.
3)People like Jehst, Chester P, Ransome Badbonez aren't going to and never did make tunes that would appeal to a mainstream audiences. Again I don't know a lot about UKHH but it never seemed particular fussed about going mainstream. Roll Deep(the grime group)first album was made explicitly to appeal to everyone from grime fans to mums to the white van man(The album is great btw).
4)Culturally I didn't think it had the same connections to the UK as grime or really any other UK dance music. Which I think plays a big part in how things go mainstream. UKHH has the same structure as US Hip Hop, so it's going to harder get people interested in it and to stand out. Where as grime - it's 140bmp, it's doesn't particular have any rhyming structure, it's doesn't sound like hip hop etc. There fundamental to grime in my view that make it a genre of music rather than a group from x country doing a genre of music e.g British people take on hip hop.
All of which is a shame because someone like Jehst really is up there with the very best. Honestly you would struggle to find a better condense political reading of the last 20 odd years of British politics than Jehst - England.
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Lil Pump is a genius. Gucci Gang is brilliant. He boiled down the most lazy of Hip Hop cliches into its most essential form and made millions from it. It would be even better if he did it consciously.
Very slick, almost manufactured. Clever though and a great performerJanelle Monáe
Jesus Christ. She is phenomenal in every way.
@Sweet Square Oh I’d never claim for a second that Grime emceeing isn’t infinitely better than Garage... largely because Garage emceeing was essentially just people trying to rhyme as many things that ended in A and O as they could, whilst going “budabudabudabuda” a lot..... Jungle emceeing was slightly better, but still peaked with Skibba and Shabba trying to name as many recognisable footballers or cars as fast as they could. Both were objectively terrible. Grime is a clear evolution of both, but because it did evolve from them, as much if not more than it did from hip hop, it’s really good rapping can never be quite as good as.... well, really good rapping!
That doesn’t mean it’s not powerfully visceral and entertaining in its own right....but I can see why a lot of UKHH heads felt a little short changed when the sea change happened. But if Skinnyman’s Council Estate Of Mind didn’t make it, then really nothing was going to.
That doesn’t mean it’s not powerfully visceral and entertaining in its own right....but I can see why a lot of UKHH heads felt a little short changed when the sea change happened. But if Skinnyman’s Council Estate Of Mind didn’t make it, then really nothing was going to.
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This isn't true Drum n bass emceeing peaked with Harry Shotta trying to name as many recognisable footballers and cars as he could. In all seriousness, the lyricism in drum n bass emceeing has evolved over the years. Drum n bass emceeing is its own thing anyway. Its more a live art from to hype the crowd.
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But did he do it as a delibrate satire on the emptiness of modern day hip hop culture or because he is in fact the outcome of this culture ? For all we known Jess Linguard could be giving Daniel Day Lewis a run for his money with his method acting as a over paid man child footballer. Is " Beans Beans Beans" not the Gucci Gang of 2019.
If Lil Pump did do Gucci Gang as a delibrate satire then I'll happily call the guy a genius but also the Groucho Marx quote comes to mind - "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot"
Although it doesn't really matter as the effect deliberate or not is the same.
Ah fair enough I must have misread your posts.
Yeah I could see why especially when Mike Skinner was blowing up. I love the guy but he literally rapped about going to the shops and atm machines. The only guys who have made it "big" out of UKHH is Roots Manuva or Akala, right ?
The guy was a 16 year old millionaire through his own creative endeavour. Intentional or not, he's no idiot.
'Them'.
My sister was watching some of Billie Eilish set on TV yesterday, she's definitely a talent imo. At only 17 you'd think she's been performing for 10 years.
I was plesantly surprised how good she was. The chemical brothers were incredible. Also really liked the foals set in the park. Lizzo at West holts. Although the most long lasting memory will be Sigrid going from elfin gentle singing tones to Frau Farbissina when ordering the crowd around to sing "LOUDER! "
'Them'.
Fecking idiots. Anyone who says politics has no place in music is clueless.