I think he had bedded her even before she married his brother.
Giggs trial
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I think he had bedded her even before she married his brother.
Guilty!! Guilty guilty guilty. Never trusted him... Evil behind the eyes.
I didnt disagree that one of them is a criminal offence or not. I said that maybe the brother thingy makes more harm than the other. Neither is of course ok to do.
It’s a fact that growing up poor means you’ll definitely be abusive? I’d like to see your sources for that one mate. I’m a bit hesitant about how well thought out your argument is, as you’re the same person who thinks expecting someone not to beat their partner is being held to the highest moral code.
I agree both are awful in their own ways but i don't think you can put cheating up with domestic violence. This kind of attitude is probably why we have a DV issue in the country. You don't see it as being any worse. It's assault. Physical assault. It's way worse.
My dad cheated on my mum a few times sadly for example and she chose to forgive him. Her decision and all that etc. He's never hit her though and if he did I'd hit him back twice as hard.
IMO domestic violence = man or woman who regularly assaults/bullies their partner.
Domestic fight.... both get into an argument, both get heated....man gets arrested as he’s usually stronger.
I think Giggs lacks honour, but the personality of the women he gets with makes me think he’s not a domestic violence type.
Domestic fight.... both get into an argument, both get heated....man gets arrested as he’s usually stronger.
I think Giggs lacks honour, but the personality of the women he gets with makes me think he’s not a domestic violence type.
It comes from a psychiatrist who is rated highly in this country. You have taken the comment too literally and deliberately so. Not every person I described will be abusive however there is a much higher number of men who have been abusive towards women and come from the backgrounds I’ve mentioned than educated men. Don’t really care if you agree or not you’re wrong
How much do you actually know about the personalities of the women 'he gets with? Do you know Giggs personally or do you just see a long lens beach shot of him with his latest girlfriend?
Baseless nonsense.
Meh legend or not the guy is a fecking tool.
Following in George bests footsteps 
What?
Old fashioned thinking there. Today it’s obviously and exceedingly guilty in the press. If later proven innocent, quietly ignored.
Really really weird post.
Of course he'll be sacked from the Wales job if guilty. Even if he's not guilty he may have to leave his position.
Johnny Depp is a prime example as to why you don't rely on media hype. As others have said, innocent till proven guilty, seems a term lost in translation these days.
If true, truly completes his reputation as an Ahole.
If true, truly completes his reputation as an Ahole.
The relationship between poverty and abuse is well documented, there’s also many more factors to take into account than just poor people bad, which is the highly reductive view you’re trying to push. The link between poverty, education and violence isn’t what we’re arguing though.
This is what you said. The reasonable conclusion here is that you believe because of the context surrounding Ryan’s childhood he shouldn’t be castigated for assaulting his partner, nor should he be expected to adhere to the sky high expectations of not assaulting his partner.
Have I? I’ve posted a part of our exchange below where I find it pretty hard to not come to the interpretation I did.
It seems pretty literal to me.
I’m not gonna go screaming guilty because we’ve seen with Johnny Depp that women can lie about this stuff, and lie well, but I’ve always said, for years to friends and family, the guy has dead, almost evil eyes, looking at his face gives me the creeps.
I agree with what you’ve said butI think that holds for footballers too. I just don’t view footballers (or managers) as role models. Mainly because I don’t really buy into the idea of role models.
Your right I should not be judging personalities I don’t know or have never met. But I stand by what I say about the difference between domestic violence and a domestic fight.
Domestic violence is despicable... it’s long lasting, it involves a victim living in fear and the perpetrator often taking out his insecurities on his partner. As well as the physical attacks it often also includes psychological assaults and aims to make the victim feel small and stay small.
A domestic fight is just that.Just because one is a man and one is a woman. We don’t know who hit first. If she hit him first he has every right to reasonably defend himself. If he hit her first, we don’t know “how in his face she got before”. If it was the latter situation he would be in the wrong and should have walked away, told her to leave his house and if she refused called the police, but I would not class him as a low life domestic abuser.
I know it’s a sensitive subject so hope I’ve explained my general thoughts well enough for people to not misconstrue
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The relationship between poverty and abuse is well documented, there’s also many more factors to take into account than just poor people bad, which is the highly reductive view you’re trying to push. The link between poverty, education and violence isn’t what we’re arguing though.
This is what you said. The reasonable conclusion here is that you believe because of the context surrounding Ryan’s childhood he shouldn’t be castigated for assaulting his partner, nor should he be expected to adhere to the sky high expectations of not assaulting his partner.
Have I? I’ve posted a part of our exchange below where I find it pretty hard to not come to the interpretation I did.
It seems pretty literal to me.
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Ha, how pathetic can’t win this argument so you go through all that above. You lost buddy
He had an affair with his PA who got famous from it having a mini career.
Yes, I see that clearly now. I guess we’ll leave it there rather than clog up the thread.
Pity, now we'll never know why BR7 thinks that you lost while you had the correct arguments. You can't possibly argue that people should not be held to the general moral (and legal) standards of society because of their social background.
Surely you’re not this simple?
Is this confirmed yet? We already know that he's a cnut of the highest order, but he's innocent until proven guilty.
Way to feck up your national team as a manager.
He'll still be my footballing idol
Any slim chance he had of managing Utd in the future will be completely gone if the allegations are proven true
Clearly there are differences between someone repeatedly assaulting a partner over a sustained period and a one-off drunken altercation. We really have no detail to be able to classify this alleged incident though.
Also, so much domestic abuse goes unreported, it's dangerous to base all assumptions on a single public incident.
This thread is a fitting tribute to Sir Sean Connery
RIP
RIP
Sooner or later he'll be arrested for suggesting Dan James to Ole.
No.
If found guilty Giggs will deserve the consequences.
But the people getting on their high horse in this thread should remember that United have a statue of George Best outside Old Trafford and everyone loves him but his behaviour was reprehensible and worse than Giggs'.
The double standards are crazy.
But the people getting on their high horse in this thread should remember that United have a statue of George Best outside Old Trafford and everyone loves him but his behaviour was reprehensible and worse than Giggs'.
The double standards are crazy.
Finally living up to his label as the new George Best.
He did batter Davinia Murphy in the 90s though.
I’m not defending Giggs here, he may well be guilty, but until he’s proven so it is ridiculous that he can be suspended as Wales manager. I wouldn’t put it past some clubs or nations making unfounded allegations against managers or players ahead of an important match or tournament in order to have them suspended if this is the precedent being set.
Wasn't there a audio clip of Beckham losing his sh*t for not being knighted?
I don’t see how they couldn’t suspend him. He was arrested on suspicion of domestic violence, it would set a poor example if he was allowed to continue in his role. False allegations to the police are very rare and the scenario you’ve described seems fairly implausible
Exactly, suspicion, so where is the innocent until proven guilty? And is what I suggested any less plausible than Russia and Qatar managing to bribe FIFA into awarding them the WC?