Spot on you are either offside or you aren’t.
Just heard commentator saying but its hard to score and we love goals......well make the goals a bit bigger then!
Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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Spot on you are either offside or you aren’t.
Just heard commentator saying but its hard to score and we love goals......well make the goals a bit bigger then!
Best fecking thing to hit football since Cantona
Giroud was a good foot offside and williams was pushed. If youre mad about this youre just mad about VAR, if anything this is a shining example of why it was introduced
VAR <3
Well, back in the good old days when common sense prevailed, you used to give the benefit of the doubt to the attackers because people were rational and realized that football was a game of fine margins, and that metres, not margins, were the problem in terms of offside calls. Regrettably, VAR has killed common sense.
Forwards never got the benefit of the doubt now. Come on. Its why they tried to introduce daylight and that fell on its ass as well.
Good post but they rarely did get the benefit of the doubt. Officials were usually too scared to give the goal.
Thought we were lucky with VAR tonight (bar the offside goal)
Best repeated use of video since I paused Basic Instinct to get a look at Sharon Stone's fanny.
I’ve changed my mind. VAR is the greatest invention since GPS bras.
If I was a Chelsea fan then I'd be more annoyed at Maguire not being sent off than either of the two disallowed goals.
I don't understand why people are complaining, VAR is the best thing to happen to PL ....
Ridiculous. Game ruined. Fixed, etc.
No idea how VAR overruled the 1st one, but the 2nd one was indisputable.
Also the kick out from Maguire looked blatant to me.
Also the kick out from Maguire looked blatant to me.
I second that motion, pretty much given up on the premier league this season though anyway after Spurs pen on the weekend.
Also had enough of the big Spanish teams continually whining to the referees. Though at least in La Liga the referee takes a look and makes the decision with VAR, not like the premier league refereeing overlords in stockley park...
Worked well tonight. Chelsea can’t complain.
Push from azpi on Williams, which the ball could have been header away by Williams to prevent the goal.
Yeah, you're right. Probably more correct to say that people used to say you should give forwards the benefit of the doubt. And now they say rules are rules and there can be no in-between. Shows the attitude change created by VAR (which I utterly disagree with).
Thought VAR did its job tonight.
Maguire was just trying to straighten his leg to hold him up. By the penis. Case closed.
Fred pushed Azpi into Williams first though. If Fred doesn't push, Azpi doesn't. After seeing the replay I was surprised VAR ruled it out.
To be honest, thought it was a 3/3 correct decisions from VAR today. Maguire just about didnt kick out enough (extend sure, but didnt extend quickly to make it look like a kick out). Their goal started with a nudge from Fred (not enough for a foul), but Azpi fully extended his arms with force which made it a clear foul as he pushed Williams out of the way. Offside was obviously offside.
The commentators I heard were saying that the Chelsea goal should definitely have stood and it was ridiculous that it didn't. I didn't really think so? Hard to see but it looked like Azpilicueta got a slight nudge, when he was already going to shove whoever it was anyway. It didn't seem to put him off and it seemed like he was already going to do it. The foul on our player was definitely much clearer than any foul on him
Would like to see it again to see how I am probably wrong
Would like to see it again to see how I am probably wrong
Chelsea got screwed on the Maguire red card situation, but the rest of the decisions were correct, and neither would’ve been seen if not for VAR.
And after he's dampened the collision he extends his arms again and obviously pushes him off balance as he's going to clear the ball, which allows him to flick it on instead of Williams.
I thought the push was a 50/50 call. I thought Maguire was a definite red card.
The offside is offside but tough to see for any lino.
Doesn't feel like a great night for VAR.
Maguire decision is clear to us all? How do they decide oh no, its fine.
The offside is offside but tough to see for any lino.
Doesn't feel like a great night for VAR.
Maguire decision is clear to us all? How do they decide oh no, its fine.
Isn't it fun how we will continue to talk about these things after every game forever
If the Premier League was serious about VAR they would stick their so called "elite" referees in the VAR studio. The problem with VAR is it's implementation and it doesn't help when you have incompetent silent men as the ultimate decision makers, as witnessed tonight.
Seemed an obvious red, not seen the second, third was obviously offside.
Yes i also fully believe Maguire, he was definitely scared for his life and had to protect himself. 2 out of 3 for VAR which is good, too bad the one they missed may have been a game changing one playing with 10 for 70min.
Exactly. Just seems to be pundits trying to cause controversy. A lot of them were moaning when wrong decisions were being made every week. People are now moaning because goals are being disallowed. They would rather see goals rather correct decisions.
There needs to be minor tweaks but I think overall it has improved the game.
This 10cm thing is going to draw lines behind where attackers have their feet?
No one is going to complain when it happens I'm sure.
No one is going to complain when it happens I'm sure.
If some great lummox is about to fall on you then you do stick your leg out to stop him. Unfortunately it was into the man's goolies so looked bad.
If the ref told VAR "I saw the foot go up and it made contact but I didn't think it was deliberate enough" then it's not that easy for VAR to say the ref was definitely wrong. They may well have thought it was a red but that's not enough for an overturn.
Another example of a decision that should have been referred back to the ref to have a look at himself, methinks.
The endless shrieking and moaning is worse than vars flaws. Both goals correctly ruled out.
Also, decisions will still come down to a single centimetre either way. They'll just measure if it was 10 or 11, rather than 0 or 1.
The offside rule was correct, the rule is offside is offside. 1 meter or a hair offside is still offside. That is the rule and that needs to be followed. It might not be what people like but it is fair. Changing it mid season wouldnt be fair.
I thought Maguire would get a red card. Kicking someone like that when the ball was out of play was really really stupid of Maguire. I think the var made a mistake but im not complaining about it.
The corner goal was the biggest talking point for me. Williams was pushed down but Fred pushed the Chelsea player into Williams. However did Fred really push that hard so that the Chelsea player couldnt stop and had to push over Williams? I guess that is mostly the interpretation of the people watching it. Manchester United fans will obviously claim it was a push but if a Manchester United goal was ruled out of because of something like that those same fans would be furious.
I thought Maguire would get a red card. Kicking someone like that when the ball was out of play was really really stupid of Maguire. I think the var made a mistake but im not complaining about it.
The corner goal was the biggest talking point for me. Williams was pushed down but Fred pushed the Chelsea player into Williams. However did Fred really push that hard so that the Chelsea player couldnt stop and had to push over Williams? I guess that is mostly the interpretation of the people watching it. Manchester United fans will obviously claim it was a push but if a Manchester United goal was ruled out of because of something like that those same fans would be furious.
Fred's push wasn't enough to justify that as a foul or affecting the incident, it was nothing but a hustle, too soft to call it a foul. Look at the picture below (image 1), Azpi was still fine standing there after what you called "push" from Fred. There is no reason to blame Fred if Azpi decided to stretch his arm out to bring Williams down (image 2).
