That's the issue. Consistency. Jones is a foul if Lovrens was 24 hours ago. The handball is a foul it is in another game.
Why the inconsistencies? People just want a level playing field.
Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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That's the issue. Consistency. Jones is a foul if Lovrens was 24 hours ago. The handball is a foul it is in another game.
Why the inconsistencies? People just want a level playing field.
Jones one was as clear a foul as any, he body checks him from behind, with a little push in there as well, which causes Jones to loose balance, even the attacker was expecting a foul as he paused for a second before realizing no foul is given.
Third is a clear handball, in the old days without VAR this would have stood, but with VAR it should have been ruled out, top of the arm was never fine, and the ball making contact with his arm clearly gives him an advantage, hence handball, but I didn't realistically expect it to be pulled back with all those Scouse lowing twats in the VAR room.
It doesn't blatantly hit his arm though. For reference, see the Alli handball from earlier in the season which was also allowed to stand.
I agree with this
That Jones foul will be given in another game.
Too much Inconsistency
Too much Inconsistency
It does though. You can see it’s below his shoulder and level with the badge on the ARM of the shirt. The Alli goal should’ve been disallowed too based on the rules.
It hits the top of his arm to be fair mate, I think it’s quite obvious
Two decisions wrong today imo. The first was a foul and more subjective but the second is clearly handball, hit his bicep FFS.
What foul? I watch league 2 football most weekends. It was shoulder to shoulder - not even close to a foul. You should be chuffed with a draw after being totally outplayed. You honestly think you deserved a win?
Not even another game, but just 15 minutes later when Rashford gets flagged for the same kinda foul.
Two wrongs don't make a right, Alli is a blatant hand ball as well, even more obvious.
As I said, see the Alli image I edited in to the post. That goal was allowed to stand and was later deemed to have been the correct call.
I'm not sure what people are on about with the equaliser. It hits his upper arm. You're blind if you can't see that. Fair or not the rules need to be consistently applied.
It was identical to the Lovren one you got yesterday. Do you think that wasn't a foul either?
Pretty confident it would also have later been deemed the "correct call" if they'd disallowed it.
The Alli goal was deemed to have been correctly given upon review. Despite what you might think the rules are, the Alli goal was correct as per how the refs are told to interpret it. Which is important as refs base their decisions on the guidelines they are given. Bearing in mind that VAR have to be certain it was a handball to disallow the goal, that's more than enough reason not to disallow.
Excatly.
Exactly this.
A last minute goal disallowed would be more bad rep for VAR which they are desperate to avoid.
Do you have a link to that?
That still photo is a clear handball. Presumably the ref not giving it makes it less clear?
All people want is consistency. Why the dumb cnuts and the FA can't apply that is beyond me. They are literally making it controversial for the sake of it.
Shoulder, is not the arm.....no way it should be chalked off.
Not even close......your deluded if you think it is. Clear push on Lovern. Shoulder to shoulder on Jones. Not one pundit or fan has even mentioned the Jones incident.
Jones is probably fouled but they quite often don't get given and I don't think VAR should help us there, meself.
considering that the language of the handball rule was changed to stop attacking team advantage, makes those decisions even more ridiculous
It's all over BBC as a foul. Even Mark Lawrenson thinks it was. Open your eyes and log off RAWK
Did not look like handball on their 3rd, but thair fiirst when he clatters Jones is a freekick 99/100.
The fact that Palace get their goal overruled yesterday when none of them are involved is just bonkers. VAR can feck off
The fact that Palace get their goal overruled yesterday when none of them are involved is just bonkers. VAR can feck off
Neither of those are handballs.
The ref needs to confirm or overturn his own decisions now. I thought the opposite but the result is avoiding responsibility atm.
Liverpool are just getting the breaks with it.
Liverpool are just getting the breaks with it.
Now if our name was LiVARpoo then the first SU goal would have been disallowed for a blatant foul on Jones and the last SU goal would have been given as a handsball.
Poor LiVARpoo and their fans - they've been 30 years waiting to win the league again, let's just give them the trophy and make them all happy.
Poor LiVARpoo and their fans - they've been 30 years waiting to win the league again, let's just give them the trophy and make them all happy.
On first viewing i thought it was a fowl on Jones. Replays kind of showed that he was just weak.
Blatant handball though for their third goal.
Blatant handball though for their third goal.
Their third goal was identical to the one dendoncker scored against Leicester ruled out by var because it hit boly on the shoulder. VAR should be at least consistent
It isn't though because their primary concern is supporting whatever the ref has given.
The issue is that VAR aren't directly ruling on the two incidents, they're ruling based on the ref's initial interpretation of the two incidents.
So if the ref didn't see the push on Lovren at all it becomes more of a "clear and obvious error" than him seeing the Jones incident but interpreting it as shoulder to shoulder. Both could be fouls but one is more likely to be overturned as the ref has made a factual error (i.e. not seeing a push that took place) rather than an error of interpretation.
Which is why they should review such decisions again themselves.
i don't understand people defending VAR for this. People here are not saying these were clear cut decisions, but given the decisions from VAR this season, those should have been called.
VAR is not the problem; it's the human ref making the interpretation who is.
Sorry Hugh I was gonna agree about the Jones foul but messed up the posting and quoting.
VAR is used to justify biases. The whole lot are willing Liverpool to win the league title. Akin to the 30 years of hope crap for England.
If Liverpool had conceded that goal it would have been disallowed, without any doubt.