Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)

VAR - Love or Hate?

  • Total voters
    1,296
I'd love to hear an explanation as to how this is allowed according to the laws of the game

uey4wWi.png


Let's assume that the ref's looked at it and said it's not a foul. How is it not a clear and obvious error? Is it not a clear and obvious foul when you're two yards away from the ball and you lunge a yard to put a forearm into the back of the opponent and push him off balance?
 
Leroy The Red said:
What I found most strange was the second goal check. Anytime it’s that close to being on or offside they spend about an hour checking and fiddling with lines, with the Salah it was like one check and done. If I was a city fan I’d be rightfully fuming.
Click to expand...

It's bizarre.

I'm not too bothered if he's was offside or not, but it is very strange that they didn't check it properly.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Can you name one disgracefully poor ref call where you thought ‘this must change, bring in VAR’?
I would like to know because, you know what? It seemed like there was FECK all wrong with the game to me!!
Click to expand...
You mean stuff like the Smalling penalty in Roma-Gladbach? Sane's disallowed goal in City-Liverpool in CL? Kroos penalty in Real Madrid-PSG? OVREBO?
 
Bottled it, VAR, ref the lot of them, he's moved his arm to stop the ball no matter if it bounced off any one. If it passes him city player gets shot. VAR has just showed how it can be manipulated by whoever it is.

Next week this happens it's given, useless officials and a pointless VAR. It just shows who the Prem want to win this league.
 
Buster15 said:
I am not sure that the concept is terrible but its implementation is not at all good. To me the biggest problem is that football by definition is a spontaneous flowing game. And VAR has a highly negative effect on this.
I mainly dislike the offside element. Like most rules offside was defined around visual perception. Level is onside. So. What is level. Is a few millimeters really worth disallowing a goal. And what part of the body should count. And how accurate is the timing taken from precisely when the ball is passed. We see the offside lines but rarely the exact point of the pass.
Essentially football is about entertainment and not the precision of an offside line.
Click to expand...

Exactly. It isn’t tennis where there is a definitive answer, there is a great deal of opinion and error involved so why bother delaying the game in the process.
 
Hughie77 said:
Bottled it, VAR, ref the lot of them, he's moved his arm to stop the ball no matter if it bounced off any one. If it passes him city player gets shot. VAR has just showed how it can be manipulated by whoever it is.
Click to expand...
Yeah very disappointing. Seems var is not Anfield proof.
 
Anustart89 said:
I'd love to hear an explanation as to how this is allowed according to the laws of the game

uey4wWi.png


Let's assume that the ref's looked at it and said it's not a foul. How is it not a clear and obvious error? Is it not a clear and obvious foul when you're two yards away from the ball and you lunge a yard to put a forearm into the back of the opponent and push him off balance?
Click to expand...
If that foul happens on Mane he’d still be down and of course it would have been a penalty.
 
Can't believe I thought VAR would mean no more offside goals or diving for Liverpool.
 
The first Liverpool handball (before their first goal) is an obvious penalty for City. It should not even need to be discussed. He makes himself bigger with arms out 90 degrees when the cross is made (not close) and it does not matter if it hits someone else on the way to his arm. How that is not clear and obvious is beyond me. Fecking VAR-referees.
In the same way there is no way that the second handball call is a penalty. He is basically hit in the arm from 5 yards with his arms in a completely natural position. We all got to see Pep go crazy though over the second one though. That was entertaining.
 
Johan07 said:
The first Liverpool handball (before their first goal) is an obvious penalty for City. It should not even need to be discussed. He makes himself bigger with arms out 90 degrees when the cross is made (not close) and it does not matter if it hits someone else on the way to his arm. How that is not clear and obvious is beyond me. Fecking VAR-referees.
In the same way there is no way that the second handball call is a penalty. He is basically hit in the arm from 5 yards with his arms in a completely natural position. We all got to see Pep go crazy though over the second one though. That was entertaining.
Click to expand...

Agreed.

That first handball is so blatant too... Pure incompetence for it to not be called
 
When Silva does an offensive handball right before the TAA handball: how can that be a penalty? The rules say that an offensive handball can never lead to a goal.
It is a weird situation.
 
But it touched Silvas hand first. Why is no one talking about that? It had barely been shown live.
 
TheOx said:
But it touched Silvas hand first. Why is no one talking about that? It had barely been shown live.
Click to expand...
Maybe so but then that doesn’t mean taa can handball it because they’ve got advantage played. And then when var sees taa handball It and it let to a goal it should be pulled back.

farce of a decision.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Agreed.

That first handball is so blatant too... Pure incompetence for it to not be called
Click to expand...
Not to be too much of a conspiracy theorist; but I wonder what would have happened if the following play (first goal) would not have ended up with Fabinho burying it at the other end. Now they would have had to annul that Liverpool-goal and reward City a penalty. At Anfield. With all the VAR-controversy. If Liverpool had not scored I am pretty confident it would have been given (the penalty).
Its really not a difficult decision, its an obvious penalty. Disgrace and it decided the game pretty much. Sad.
 
Sidious said:
When Silva does an offensive handball right before the TAA handball: how can that be a penalty? The rules say that an offensive handball can never lead to a goal.
It is a weird situation.
Click to expand...

This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously spotting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything? :wenger::wenger:
 
Zlatan 7 said:
When people say it’s not var it’s the officials it makes no sense.

var is the officials. Not magic technology such as goal line tech.

I agree they’re shit at it.
Ruined/ ruining the sport for me
Click to expand...

Yes but then if you get rid of VAR you're still going to have the same shitty decisions? If there was no such thing as VAR Liverpool would still have the first two goals regardless because that was what the on field decisions were. If the league can manage to coach the officials better then VAR can be implemented more correctly.
 
Dumbstar said:
This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously supporting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. If have been livid of it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything? :wenger::wenger:
Click to expand...

I think the Liverpool hate is clouding a lot of people's judgement. People will believe what they want as long as it fits their narrative.
 
Dumbstar said:
This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously supporting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything? :wenger::wenger:
Click to expand...

By actual rules, advantage has to stop as soon as Liverpool commit an offence.
 
TheOx said:
But it touched Silvas hand first. Why is no one talking about that? It had barely been shown live.
Click to expand...
We have been. At a minimum its a fk to liverpool after the advantage is over due to TAA handball, at most its a pen to city.

It simply cant be play on and a goal
 
RyRy11 said:
Yes but then if you get rid of VAR you're still going to have the same shitty decisions? If there was no such thing as VAR Liverpool would still have the first two goals regardless because that was what the on field decisions were. If the league can manage to coach the officials better then VAR can be implemented more correctly.
Click to expand...
You can’t coach a referee that has bias.
 
Dumbstar said:
This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously supporting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything? :wenger::wenger:
Click to expand...

Living up to your name I see.
 
Dumbstar said:
This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously spotting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything? :wenger::wenger:
Click to expand...

Presuming you're talking about the lead up to 1-0, how on earth can you get an "advantage" when your own man has waved at and handled the ball in his own box?
For one thing, you're meant to rule goals out when a player has handled it before a goal, and it wasn't exactly 5mins later on, it was within about 20-30seconds.
 
arnie_ni said:
We have been. At a minimum its a fk to liverpool after the advantage is over due to TAA handball, at most its a pen to city.

It simply cant be play on and a goal
Click to expand...

The ref already saw Bernando's handball and made the call to play on. Can't overrule the ref specially when he made the correct call to play on.
 
arnie_ni said:
We have been. At a minimum its a fk to liverpool after the advantage is over due to TAA handball, at most its a pen to city.

It simply cant be play on and a goal
Click to expand...

Exactly this.

The only question is whatever Silva's handball is an offence. I wouldn't say it is as it's completely accidental due to the ricochet and his arm isn't in a totally unnatural position... But that is certainly up for debate.
 
The big issue with VAR is the rules seem to change every week. And because of that, useless pundits who don’t know the rules and terrible refereeing it becomes a massive farce every week.

Liverpool today. That first TAA is 100% a penalty, his arm is not in a natural position, unbelievably the Sky commentators tried to suggest it was! If the ref doesn’t spot that surely VAR has to give it.

The potential Salah offside was dealt with very badly. One replay provided about 15 minutes after the goal. Any close decision like that is usually reviewed for at least 2 minutes, and Sky show about 10 replays. Why didn’t VAR check that thoroughly like every other week? The line drawn on the picture provided were not parallel to the lines in the pitch either. I stand by his knee was offside and with the current letter of the law the goal shouldn’t stand.

The second handball isn’t a penalty, TAA has his arm in a natural position and it was slammed right into him from close range.

The push on the back by Mané is one of them where it would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch. It would have been a harsh penalty.
 
Sandikan said:
Presuming you're talking about the lead up to 1-0, how on earth can you get an "advantage" when your own man has waved at and handled the ball in his own box?
For one thing, you're meant to rule goals out when a player has handled it before a goal, and it wasn't exactly 5mins later on, it was within about 20-30seconds.
Click to expand...

Yep I'd be upset as a City fan in that case. I hope they now accept that there was no penalty. So it's a case of would we still have gone on to win? More than likely the way that defence was set up.
 
giorno said:
You mean stuff like the Smalling penalty in Roma-Gladbach? Sane's disallowed goal in City-Liverpool in CL? Kroos penalty in Real Madrid-PSG? OVREBO?
Click to expand...
How many games were played across Europe the same week those games occurred? They were always a minority issue that will not be completely remedied anyway.

We haven’t even fixed the problem, all we have done is stain the face of the game. Anybody who doesn’t acknowledge it’s been at huge detriment to the experience of the game is lying or doesn’t watch the game avidly.

This is the biggest sport on Earth, a big part of the reason why is that it’s:-
quick paced,
Relatively uncomplicated
easy to watch
exciting...
all of those traits have been affected negatively by VAR. There’s no debate about that.

The premier league was the last great export from this country, I make no joke when I say I’m disgusted with just how poor VAR has been - and I predicted it would be awful, it’s even worse.

VAR... more divisive than decisive
 
Dumbstar said:
This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously spotting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything? :wenger::wenger:
Click to expand...


There is absolutely no way Michael Oliver played ‘an advantage’. Handballs always result in a freekick. If Silva did handball it should have been a free kick taken. He clearly missed that handball and decided TAA wasn’t handball either.
 
I'm also very interested in why TAA's handball isn't classed as being part of the build up to the goal... At what point is the play deemed as build up? Or does Gundogan's clearance indicate a new phase, even though it was a rushed clearance under pressure?
 
Dumbstar said:
This. Has no one talked about the 'actual' rules or are they just unaware of them? The ref and VAR did well to play on despite Oliver obviously spotting Bernando's handball. It was a good decision by him as Liverpool made full use of the advantage. I'd have been livid if it was stopped only for VAR to only give us an obvious freekick according to the actual rules of the game.

I really don't understand why 99% of people are talking about TAA. What the feck has he got to do with anything? :wenger::wenger:
Click to expand...

.......QUE? This makes no sense at all.
 
Josep Dowling said:
The big issue with VAR is the rules seem to change every week. And because of that, useless pundits who don’t know the rules and terrible refereeing it becomes a massive farce every week.

Liverpool today. That first TAA is 100% a penalty, his arm is not in a natural position, unbelievably the Sky commentators tried to suggest it was! If the ref doesn’t spot that surely VAR has to give it.

The potential Salah offside was dealt with very badly. One replay provided about 15 minutes after the goal. Any close decision like that is usually reviewed for at least 2 minutes, and Sky show about 10 replays. Why didn’t VAR check that thoroughly like every other week? The line drawn on the picture provided were not parallel to the lines in the pitch either. I stand by his knee was offside and with the current letter of the law the goal shouldn’t stand.

The second handball isn’t a penalty, TAA has his arm in a natural position and it was slammed right into him from close range.

The push on the back by Mané is one of them where it would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch. It would have been a harsh penalty.
Click to expand...
While I agree with the rest of your post in its entirety, the bold part is what gets to me too as well. We started the season with the PL for some stupid reason adopting another set of VAR-rules than the rest of Europe and UEFA and FIFA which pretty much led to marginal offside calls being given and VAR not being used at all in other scenarios (I dont know how many blatant penalties that was not given the first weeks of play).
Then the PL (I blame them for this) suddenly went back to using VAR for marginal penalty calls and got a few of them wrong as well. And when that was criticised now we seem to be back to the original approach with VAR not being used for such a blatant penalty call that City should have had today, and maybe now we should not really care about offsides either? Like the Salah-situation.
We either use VAR like the rest of Europe, UEFA and FIFA or we dont at all. Which means referees looking at screens, etc. This "sui generis" shit is fecking stupid and the PL should be ashamed of itself.
 
Dumbstar said:
Yep I'd be upset as a City fan in that case. I hope they now accept that there was no penalty. So it's a case of would we still have gone on to win? More than likely the way that defence was set up.
Click to expand...

However VAR should have worked should have meant no goal. Be it the "handball" and then scoring thing, or the pen given/ruled out for the city handball.

While Liverpool may have gone on to win, it was such a gamechanger that it ruined it.
 
dwd said:
Click to expand...

Exactly I said the same thing watching the game, it seems VAR is different for different clubs! They bottled the call of hand ball, and moved realy quick to allow a tight offside. ??
 
You must log in or register to reply here.