Nah. The way it is now ruins the whole feeling around football. It needs to be settled within seconds not minutes.
Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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That's on the officials though, isn't it? Their handling of VAR has been so clumsy.
Then advantage is over when taa handles it and its a fk to liverpool from their own box
But var is the officials, not some separate goal line tech. It’s officials watching a replay and using absolutely no consistency, just causing delays and needless drama.
I watch football for sport, coronation street for drama.
That's my point? The officials are making it so much worse.
exactly this the ball only gets to Trent as it was effectively punched there
When people say it’s not var it’s the officials it makes no sense.
var is the officials. Not magic technology such as goal line tech.
I agree they’re shit at it.
Ruined/ ruining the sport for me
you ask the incompetent refs to use this system then you have to ask why twe expect them to suddenly become competent
The mown lines aren't straight
I mean anyone who thinks they are must be from the school of piece of paper measurement. The lines are caused by human operated lawnmowers, of course they aren't fecking perfectly straight. They aren't cutting the grass to mm precision using nail clippers are they?
Actually they are. That's why we see patterns. (Well not perfect ofcourse, but within mm)The mown lines aren't straight
The lines are caused by human operated lawnmowers, of course they aren't fecking perfectly straight. They aren't cutting the grass to mm precision using nail clippers are they?
Hopefully we'll get the official VAR image at some point.
Also begs the question why they didn't immediately produce one like for the Sheffield Utd game?
Where is the consistency checking descisons?
Because the script was for Spurs (again) yday?
There are patterns because that's the way they cut it. How does that prove they measure up the pitch to perfectly cut every line perfectly straight? It doesn't, because they don't. I can cut patterns into my front lawn, I'm not a magician making perfectly straight lines. I've seen groundsmen mowing pitches and I can assure you they weren't methodically measuring up the lines.
Yes I understand this, but these lines clearly are not correct. The dilution is that massive, from that angle, and over the length of a pitch.
Who is the VAR referee for today's Liverpool v City match?
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Apparently official statement is first half handball incident looked at and it didn't meet the criteria.
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They're using mm exactness to create the pattern, why would they then do the lines by rule of thumb? The green keepers in the PL take extreme pride in the state of the pitches and mowing lines straight isn't some sort of magic trick in this day and age.
I would be very surprised if they weren't within a mm at Anfield, Old Trafford, Wembley or the Emptyhad.
ricochet's off of other players are given more leeway plus there was a short reaction time, I can understand why it wasn't given
I thought they were cut with auto mowers? Programmed to cut certain lengths etc.
It’s not a man walking around with a flymo
not it's 4 or 5 blokes with petrol powered lawn mowersI thought they were cut with auto mowers? Programmed to cut certain lengths etc.
It’s not a man walking around with a flymo
Create a pattern which is produced by human beings pushing a lawn mower. They can create patterns all they want, they aren't walking and pushing a lawnmower to mm precision across an entire football pitch.
They can take all the pride they want and be as skilled as they are and they still aren't walking in mm precision. They are human beings walking with a lawn mower not digitally imposing a pattern on the pitch. Speaking of digitally, a digitally drawn line from a computerized program developed by professional engineers will produce a perfectly straight line. The most prideful groundskeeper in the world will never be that accurate.
The second one definitely isnt a penalty.
Taa could pick it up and run around the box with it and it wouldn’t be a pen anyway
I get that (and I think ricochets off own body doesn't count?) but I thought they brought the new rules in to remove the ambiguity and make it a simpler decision but guess they're now saying it's not so clean cut.
All it takes is a piece of string and two poles to make a line straight. Whether it's within a mm then depends on the care taken by whoever is doing it. The pitch is part of the premierleague product (and a vital one), I seriously doubt it's just 4 dudes pushing lawnmowers whichever way the see fit.
Then again judging by VAR you might be right.
Do you haters even realise that most of the things you're whining about are the field ref's fault?
Football refereeing was a disgrace before VAR and there is interest in their class in sabotaging the system and turning people's opinions against VAR, in which they are partly succeeding.
Your anger should be redirected at the people who are sabotaging VAR.
Football refereeing was a disgrace before VAR and there is interest in their class in sabotaging the system and turning people's opinions against VAR, in which they are partly succeeding.
Your anger should be redirected at the people who are sabotaging VAR.
Everything is the refs fault. VAR just introduces more refs into the game, hence more mistakes.
Even mowing the pitch lines and seemingly dodgy TV offside lines, because no official VAR one produced?
These refs can be scrapped as far as I'm concerned. It's the tech that must be protected. Reducing the human factor is key to consistency.
And they don't use any string or poles in their mowing. Nor measuring tapes with the non-existent poles and string.
Yes it is a few very talented people pushing lawnmowers. That is indeed exactly what it is. Very talented people who don't use any string nor are capable of walking in straight lines across entire pitches to mm precision.
You clearly have no clue how the pitches are even cut so I'd suggest looking it up and educating yourself on the subject instead of blowing smoke out of your ass and believing humans can push lawnmowers over long distances to mm precision.
The tech? You mean the replays the refs watch must be protected? Got you
I don't think he was off, but what I don't understand is how this apparently took all of 10 seconds to review and yesterday's Sheff Utd call took 3 minutes when it looked equally as tight.
With how we know VAR works, there's no chance they reviewed it properly
Well that's the human factor sabotaging VAR. Rules to add consistency are urgent.
I'll say it again: PL refs are clearly sabotaging VAR by turning it into a shitshow. They want their power back.
Don't fall for it. Support "VAR the tech". Screw the human refs, both field and VAR.
May you point to the books from where you get your information so I can inform myself?
Not really. I speak for myself but I believe Most VAR haters like myself just hate constant reviews, delays, the stop start shite you see in Rugby.
More than anything it has affected the joy/emotion a goal brings.
It was a beautifully simple game, they have tried to fix something that wasn’t truly broken.
Can you name one disgracefully poor ref call where you thought ‘this must change, bring in VAR’?
I would like to know because, you know what? It seemed like there was FECK all wrong with the game to me!!
It’s not like we were all having meltdowns every week. Sure there was a poor call every couple of games, guess what NOTHINGS CHANGED.
We still have poor decisions and now it’s coupled with endless debate rather than any sort of real focus on actual football.
They took something perfect and took a big steaming shite on it.
VAR has made a lot of bad calls but ‘ball to hand’ should never be a penalty unless the hands are raised up above the head or spread out.
Cause then you get players doing what sterling probably tried today, to purposefully aim for the hands.
The trouble is there is no consistency, this all started because the refs started giving stupid ball to hand penalty’s to some teams and not others.
I think for the good of the sport in most cases unintentional hand ball should not result in a penalty.
Offside should also be clear cut, and non of this ‘his nose was offside’ nonsense. Advantages are gained in feet not by armpits...
Cause then you get players doing what sterling probably tried today, to purposefully aim for the hands.
The trouble is there is no consistency, this all started because the refs started giving stupid ball to hand penalty’s to some teams and not others.
I think for the good of the sport in most cases unintentional hand ball should not result in a penalty.
Offside should also be clear cut, and non of this ‘his nose was offside’ nonsense. Advantages are gained in feet not by armpits...
What I found most strange was the second goal check. Anytime it’s that close to being on or offside they spend about an hour checking and fiddling with lines, with the Salah it was like one check and done. If I was a city fan I’d be rightfully fuming.