Not really both are based on emotion rather than logic. A look at if and buts without proof. People bringing up the emotion being taken away and talk of a VAR overlord sounds alot like brexit to me.
The stupid thing is people have examples around Europe of leagues who have had VAR for 3 seasons and it hasn't changed or reduced those fans excitement for football. Yet for some reason they bring up these crazy future scenarios when the future has already been written.
Whilst I agree that VAR isn't good/accurate enough to call offsides, I also think that if we had Offside Line Technology we'd still have the issue of goals being ruled out because someone is a millimeter offside - which isn't what the point of the rule is or was when it was introduced.
For me the rule needs to be you're offside if your whole foot is ahead of the defenders trailing foot (or some other distance that actually equates to gaining an advantage)... and forget about whether your arm/head whatever is ahead
I literally googled VAR reports Spain and my top hit was an Iago Asia’s goal for Spain. Which VAR reports have you personally read that prove what you’re saying? I’m happy to take expert advice from an expert who can confidently tell me it’s a success everywhere.
Which ones have you read so I know the best ones? Or have you not read any?Mate you know how to use google i am not doing it for you. There are various reports, articles and research papers on VAR uses from other countries. Honestly you can try to put your head in the sand but its up to you.
I am sorry. Firstly; the Brexit analogy is ridiculous. You know it is. It thoughtless and stupid.
Secondly; the hesitation in fan excitement for touch-and-goal goals is a huge topic of debate in the likes of Belgium and Italy and has been since VAR was introduced. What are you talking about?
Which ones have you read so I know the best ones? Or have you not read any?
No idea what they were called at all? I’m finding it difficult to believe you’ve actually read any to be honest. Which makes it such a surprise you talk in such a matter of fact way.It requires the same way of thinking thats why they are comparable. Emotion over logic. Also small minority or occassional voices doesn't equal backlash of any kind. It hasnt reduced numbers in stadiums or survey's of stadium experience.
Your second
I've read a few last summer during world cup time but I don't carry them to hand sorry but I'm sure if you spent some time digging you'll find them. VAR is a huge topic so organsations have spent millions into research theres plenty info out there.
No idea what they were called at all? I’m finding it difficult to believe you’ve actually read any to be honest. Which makes it such a surprise you talk in such a matter of fact way.
You haven’t read any that prove what you claim they do. You’re happy to waste time responding so you obviously don’t have anything better to do.As I said I read a few last summer. Not gonna really spend time looking now as have better things to do. But the clubs and leagues have spent huge amounts of money on research so again logically you know if you look you'll find many other them.
You haven’t read any that prove what you claim they do. You’re happy to waste time responding so you obviously don’t have anything better to do.
I tried the Google you suggested and it provided nothing. In the absence of evidence then I conclude you’re lying.I have thats why I said I have. But again bury your head in the sand if you want. The proof is there for you.
I'd be in favor for something like this.Yes. And with VAR not being very accurate when it comes to offsides, changing the offside rule is a good option. And I would even suggest changing the rule to: "unless the attacker is not fully ahead of the last defender then it's not an offside".
Do you live under a rock with the rest of your Brexiteers?It’s evident by the poll that the majority is for VAR but then there’s a very vocal minority in here that really want their opinions to be heard.
Yes. And with VAR not being very accurate when it comes to offsides, changing the offside rule is a good option. And I would even suggest changing the rule to: "unless the attacker is not fully ahead of the last defender then it's not an offside".
There’s still debate in American football whether instant replay is hurting the product.I am sorry. Firstly; the Brexit analogy is ridiculous. You know it is. It thoughtless and stupid.
Secondly; the hesitation in fan excitement for touch-and-goal goals is a huge topic of debate in the likes of Belgium and Italy and has been since VAR was introduced. What are you talking about?
Yes, two standards should be set from the beginning. 1) Don’t stop the refs from doing their jobs. Let them call it on the field. 2) Use it for clear and obvious blunders.Maybe they could go for the Cricket system... Goal is scored, linesman puts his flag up or doesn't depending on whether he thought it was offside, and then if they look at the video and the offside isn't clear cut they stick with the linesman's original decision.
Ah, so this is what it looked like when the homo neanderthalensis revolted when they were introduced to iPhone.
The rule they used to have briefly then? "Clear daylight"Yes. And with VAR not being very accurate when it comes to offsides, changing the offside rule is a good option. And I would even suggest changing the rule to: "unless the attacker is not fully ahead of the last defender then it's not an offside".
That it’s taken you all this time just to produce that pointless juvenile quip might do more to put you in that category.Ah, so this is what it looked like when the homo neanderthalensis revolted when they were introduced to iPhone.
You can be for VAR and still be concerned about the impact it has on matchgoing fans or the pace of the game. That's where I'm at. Eventually VAR should work like goal-line technology: instantaneous, embedded in the flow of the game, crystal clear to all, and practical.
Maybe this is one of the reviews @mancan92 has read...
VAR fails the football test in more ways than we could have imagined
The game is too emotional, and the experience within the stadium too important, for it to be reined in by a system that does not cater for either
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/jan/13/var-football-referees-emotional-game
Maybe this is one of the reviews @mancan92 has read...
VAR fails the football test in more ways than we could have imagined
The game is too emotional, and the experience within the stadium too important, for it to be reined in by a system that does not cater for either
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/jan/13/var-football-referees-emotional-game
That it’s taken you all this time just to produce that pointless juvenile quip might do more to put you in that category.
Exactly
I have no issue with VAR being used for righting very obvious wrongs (clear penalties rightly/wrongly awarded, yellow/red card offenses etc.) - but I have massive issues with fractional offsides and handballs... but both of those issues come down to both the laws of the game as well as how VAR is being used for them.
Exactly
I have no issue with VAR being used for righting very obvious wrongs (clear penalties rightly/wrongly awarded, yellow/red card offenses etc.) - but I have massive issues with fractional offsides and handballs... but both of those issues come down to both the laws of the game as well as how VAR is being used for them.
The rule that never existed?The rule they used to have briefly then? "Clear daylight"
When was the poll made? Would be nice with a fresh one after a couple of matches. Also i'd say a lot of people are not in the hate or love zone but inbetween / seeing it out
I guess to be fair to them, they've made it clear they don't care and will watch one way or another.That’s what it’ll be used for I’m afraid & for more & more things in the future- The response will be- ( technology is there? Why not use it? Are you a caveman?)
It’s a Pandora’s box that never should’ve been opened
Question to all those who are pro-VAR?
1) do you think that the number of checks/reviews would increase/decrease over the years
2) do you think it should still be limited to game changing decisions like penalties/red cards. Or for every decision like a foul/throw in.
The funny thing is the FA actually changed the rules this season. They have decided to remove any sort of subjection. The ball hits the hand doesn't matter if it is accidental or not.
Question to all those who are pro-VAR?
1) do you think that the number of checks/reviews would increase/decrease over the years
2) do you think it should still be limited to game changing decisions like penalties/red cards. Or for every decision like a foul/throw in.
The rule that never existed?
And which solves nothing anyway. Changing where the offside line doesn't change the accuracy of calls.
You were watching the NFL in 1985?Maybe it’s just you have never seen an NFL game without instant replay? That’s understandable. But it’s not only replays that kill the broadcast. It’s the constant calls of the refs every other play calling some kind of penalty for the littlest of infractions. Combine the two and it becomes unwatchable. You just accept this while I cannot. Therefore I just can’t watch it and enjoy it like I used to. VAR is not at that point yet but it will be.
Maybe it’s just you have never seen an NFL game without instant replay? That’s understandable. But it’s not only replays that kill the broadcast. It’s the constant calls of the refs every other play calling some kind of penalty for the littlest of infractions. Combine the two and it becomes unwatchable. You just accept this while I cannot. Therefore I just can’t watch it and enjoy it like I used to. VAR is not at that point yet but it will be.
