Haven't bought into the hype around hating VAR...until today. Am totally baffled as to how it was implemented in every decision today. The lack of explanation of what the different color lines represent and how it is implemented definitely contributes to the problem. Really stupid performance by Lee Mason who was the VAR ref today.
Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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So? the fact that after every goal the players mull about and Us fans just have to sit there waiting to see whether the man in the room thinks it’s a goal or not. that’s the biggest issue with var, obviously some decisions They’re going to get right aswell as miss and would not have been a part of anyway.
But they are still getting decisions wrong with VAR, so what is the point. They can't even get offsides right.
At least that cuts out Ake complaining so Dean orders VAR to quarduple check a goal that had nothing wrong with it.
Even if his heel is fractionaly offside, I genuinely dont think VAR checks that.
Don’t VAR check every goal anyway? Admittedly defenders causing a fuss will add maybe a more thourough check and potentially swing the decision
I think they would have a quick check and move on to be honest. Thats only offside due to line of vision, the ball went straight in and he was miles away.
It has to be due to players protests. It never made sense.
Yep. VAR checks EVERY goal.
Does anyone celebrate as much anymore? I know I don’t
Does anyone celebrate as much anymore? I know I don’t
It’s given defenders a get out of jail card alright
Hadn't voted or commented until now but having had it for the best part of the season now, I'm really fed up with it.
Don't care if it's for us or against us, don't care if the referee has made a mistake, it's all part of the game. Unless VAR is 100% perfect every time for every decision it is pointless and wish it wasn't spoiling the games so much. Get rid.
Don't care if it's for us or against us, don't care if the referee has made a mistake, it's all part of the game. Unless VAR is 100% perfect every time for every decision it is pointless and wish it wasn't spoiling the games so much. Get rid.
I didn't say anything about the handball against Bailly. I thought it was the wrong call. The other two weren't. I also agree about the red card for Lerma.
Not sure they even looked at the Lerma incident. Was a red card for me
Wasn’t even in the box. I don’t think they checked that.
I believe the Penalty Box lines are treated as goal lines(?). That ball isn’t even close to being in the box if so.
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I dont even know how VAR helps with the Bailly pen, I've got no idea if it's in or out or whether it's handball or not. Dean had given it on his own doesn't seem great either, mind.
I don't mind Lerma staying on, I can live with him getting benefit of the doubt, not high-speed, some hint of it being an accident. I dont want VAR seeing that as a red, if the ref doesn't.
There was a LOT of VAR to achieve very little in that game imo.
And overall is never too different from that.
I dont even know how VAR helps with the Bailly pen, I've got no idea if it's in or out or whether it's handball or not. Dean had given it on his own doesn't seem great either, mind.
I don't mind Lerma staying on, I can live with him getting benefit of the doubt, not high-speed, some hint of it being an accident. I dont want VAR seeing that as a red, if the ref doesn't.
There was a LOT of VAR to achieve very little in that game imo.
And overall is never too different from that.
I actually thought Rashford was more offside for our 4th goal then the disallowed one.
The thing about these mm offsides is the technology clearly isn't capable to be accurate to that sort of measurement... So why they try and pretend that it is I have no clue.
The thing about these mm offsides is the technology clearly isn't capable to be accurate to that sort of measurement... So why they try and pretend that it is I have no clue.
On the line is in the box
Except not giving a red card to Bournemouth, it was spot on in everything else. Which is the job of it. It doesn’t matter if it is 1mm or 10 meters offside, offside now is a binary decision, you are either in or out. The margined do not matter. It was unlucky for Rashford, but it was fair. And it was unlucky for Bailly too, but again it was clear penalty.
People might not like the rules, but it has nothing to do with VAR. And adjusting the rules to ‘give X cm advantage to the attacking team’ won’t solve anything. It will just alter the margin from 0 to X.
VAR is here to stay and good that it is so.
People might not like the rules, but it has nothing to do with VAR. And adjusting the rules to ‘give X cm advantage to the attacking team’ won’t solve anything. It will just alter the margin from 0 to X.
VAR is here to stay and good that it is so.
Arm does not count for offside, cause you cannot use it. Matic despite being offside, was behind a Bournemouth player so it changed nothing. Both correct decisions.
nope, not accurate enough and still depends on who the man in the room is and how good he is with his jittery paint lines
Ah, the famous daylight rule that never existed but some journo made it up and everyone took it for gospel.
Those jittery lines are a bit automatic. They just need to put them when the body of the last defender ends. Everything else is automatic.
And that’s the bit they seem to struggle with. With west ham attacker the other night they took ages aback and forth with the line trying to get it right and it was still off the attacker slightly. Today with rashford there was nowhere near as much care taken and it was still not accurate. Rashford could have been made to look onside today
We obviously should. Offside is an offside.
You can make an offside only if the attacker is 10 meters offside. What happens when he is 10 meters and 1cm then? This only shifts the margin but it improves nothing, so why not keep the margin where it is, as written in the laws of the game.
Because it’s not accurate enough. I’ll keep repeating it
And how does changing the margin to something else becomes more accurate?
The only question is ‘is VAR more accurate than the referees when it comes to offside’? And the answer is undoubtedly yes.
It’s not a computer game or simulated players, it’s real life with absolutely no chance someone sitting in a room miles away looking at a tele of when they’ve hit pause can tell whether a player was 1mm on or offside, no chance, they’re pretending. And while they’re pretending their ruining maybe the most important part of football. The joy of goals
I don’t understand why VAR being arguably wrong in decisions with margin of 5cm is worse than referees going with their judgement and being consistently wrong on offside calls that are half a meter wrong.
Well they could introduce a margin for error to negate the fact that it isn't accurate? Be it umpires call, or lines overlapping, or a time limit to reach a verdict...
It's ridiculous to keep to a strict millimetre rule when the technology is incapable of actually achieving that accuracy.
Because they were not consistently wrong, Not enough to cause this horrid wait after every goal for it to be checked, and then the further wait while they measure the width of a gnats arse hair.
and still, offsides are called wrong now but they lead to corners that then lead to goals and that can’t even be changed, showing more problems with it all. All for supposed fairness.
Has anyone watched 'What we do in the Shadows' with Colin Robinson, the energy vampire? If you haven't then watch it, and you'll understand.
Colin Robinson is VAR.
Colin Robinson is VAR.
I would actually be in favor of introducing some margin rule, but that won’t stop people bitching when they will check if it is 1mm inside or not with regard to the new margin. It is like who created the Universe? God? And then, who created God? So I don’t see how the margin is gonna solve anything, it is just gonna be X instead of 0 but all the problems will remain.
Probably because no one knows the rule for “whole of ball over the line” for this situation. Could be like rugby and if any part of ball intersects line in this instance?
for example , if GK catches ball and part of ball is over (18 yrd) line, is that handball ?
That's why you have a arbitrary margin ... Such as lines touching or time it takes to decide. Then you're not arguing over mm, your basically saying its too close to call and that's that.
'Any part' needs to be removed from the rule and replaced by 'substantial part' and a standard quantitative definition of the term defined.
Thicker lines that don’t need to be as accurate and then if they touch, too close to call, is a great idea
Wasn't expecting this analogy
Anyone got a "VARless" league table? I've not seen one for a few games, Chelsea were much better off pre-VAR in the last one I saw.
All VAR seems to be showing us is how marginal/subjective so many decisions are. For many of which VAR isn't a lot of help. Which technically isn't the fault of VAR but does make having it fairly pointless.
And it's pointless or not helping far too much, imo.
Doing far less checking isn't the answer to that either, I don't think. Or if it is, you may as well just have a referee and let him decide.
And it's pointless or not helping far too much, imo.
Doing far less checking isn't the answer to that either, I don't think. Or if it is, you may as well just have a referee and let him decide.
How does it take that long to give that goal? It was nowhere near offside.
That's a great idea.