I agree and don’t understand this at all. But still despite Scholz, I suppose SPD is still the most reasonable vote today for many sane Germans and I’d guess many of the Caf members end up voting for them?
German elections on Sunday 23rd February 2025
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This is exactly what we're looking at, yeah. A tiny bit of hope/cope was that CDU shifting right might cost AfD some voters, but doesn't look like that really happened.
I know it's an incredibly low chance, but how do we feel about a red red green miracle? Even if they got the numbers, any chance to go anywhere?
I don't think people realize how concerning the CDU/CSU has become under Merz. They campaign with policies that violate the constitution, they are in a permanent clash with scientific studies, they lie more than any other democratic party, they plan huge tax savings for the richest of the richest, they have numerous corruption cases and permanently blame the poorest of the poor. This is not only despicable but also a disaster waiting to happen since they will disappoint many of their voters who probably vote the AfD in the next election who'll take the CDU to the cleaners in the opposition for not keeping what they promised before the election. We currently see the biggest demonstrations in Germany since 30 years because people are worried of AfD and Merz and Merz calls the millions of people protesting "left extremists". He is absolutely unbearable.
Regarding the Greens: Don't believe the propaganda you read about them. All industry experts agree that it would be an economic disaster to bet on nuclear power. Renewables are already far cheaper and funnily enough, the current government has less to do with the closing of nuclear plants than the CDU/CSU itself. If there's any big party that's NOT infiltrated by foreign agents and/or lobbyists, it's the Greens. They also have lots of policies in their program that make sense, they want to redistribute wealth (though the middle class will profit primarily of that, not the lower class) and are overall the party most in sync with science. They are a good choice, the SPD and the Lefts are at least electable and the rest is nothing short of catastrophic.
I've already given up on this election to be honest. My only hope is that SPD and Greens can prevent a chancellor Merz in a coalition with the CDU/CSU. If that won't work, I hope the Greens will be the democratic opposition leader and that we'll be in for reelections in two years time or so.
It never happens, unfortunately. Why would people vote for the weak copy when they can have the original?
Zero chance of them getting the needed seats unless all the polls are drastically wrong.
There's still hope in the mid- to longterm. We've seen at the meteric rise of the Left through TikTok alone that socialeconomic ideas have a huge audience and especially young people are open to it. We witness the biggest protests in 30 years right now so there is a huge resistance to right-wing populism as well.
Yes. It only makes right-wing takes societally acceptable. CDU/CSU let us down big time. Even Merkel has spoken out against her own party recently.
They're not that far off. It won't happen, but a 5-6% swing over the three parties combined might get them there, assuming no BSW and FDP of course
Reform in the UK, National Rally in France, AFD in Germany and Trump as the unofficial official policy adviser for all of them.
I think the SPD would refuse to enter this coalition, even if it were possible. They are much closer to the CDU than to the left. Especially as long as the walking disaster that is Olaf Scholz has anything to say within that party.
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Just realised that Scholz would remain chancellor that way. If that’s possible, he would get into a coalition with Hitler and Stalin at the same time.
Absolutely not. Their treatment of Ukraine is shameful and they offer no believable solution to stop the redistribution of wealth from the middle classes towards the rich.
The Greens are what everyone thinks the SPD is
Made my mark for them this morning when I walked over to our voting place. Now I can only wait and hope.
Yep. And despite what everyone keeps saying, they are quite pragmatic when they have to, as proven by their stance on Ukraine.
I think the fact that the conservative and right media regard them as their enemy number one should be seen as a compliment towards them.
On the infiltration you surely know more than me so you're probably right, but I work a bit in the energy sector and from what I know it wasn't really a matter of "betting on nuclear", because it was only a small part of your energy mix, but the issue was a premature and reactionary closure before you phased out coal, especially the fecking lignite that's terribly polluting. I wouldn't suggest building new nuclear power plants with renewables so cheap and effective this days, Germany is a great example of how they can easily cover vast majority of their energy needs. But I'm hearing and I read a plenty that suggests it made more sense to keep the operational nuclear PPs running
Yeah but the decision to switch them off wasn't a Green one, it was a reactionary decision after Fukushima by CDU/CSU themselves. In 2011, Markus Söder, leader of the CSU, even threatened to resign of his government responsibilities in Bavaria if the objective of a nuclear exit until 2022 couldn't be agreed . The Greens weren't even in the government 2011 and when they were voted into it, they even prolonged the running time of a few remaining power plants. Pretty much all experts agree that the nuclear exit is irreversible now from an economic perspective. Another example where CDU/CSU blame other parties for their own mistakes, are in clinch with facts and rewrite history.
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They have become a lot more realistic compared to their origins in the last 15-20 years or so. Less "swords to plowshares", less unrealistic ideology in general. Doesn't stop the conservative parties and media from pretending that they'd shut down all the industry, close every non-reneweble power source and dismantle the Bundeswehr the day they get power, of course.
Only question is wether FDP and BSW make the 5% threshold. Linke seems to be safe and neither Greens nor SPD is gonna be big enough to offer Merz the option of a big enough 2 party coalition. No stability in sight…
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Would this have happened if it wasn’t for the public opinion pressure built up by the Green movement and the media back then?
Considering it has been the Green's stance since their foundation, I don't think they applied any particular public pressure here
Blatant election interference. EU should really do something about this guy.
Devil's advocate, but as long as he isn't an official US representative, and not just a mere 'consultant', is a single person cheering on a party really interference?
Blatant election interference. EU should really do something about this guy.
Bavaria and energy politics... the country of people who rage against windfarms and solar because they "ruin the landscape" and at the same time write petitions against building high voltage powerlines so the electricity they need can be imported from elsewhere. Apparently the electrons should just be teleported to their power outlets.
Don't try to make sense of them.
Who knows but it's a fact that they weren't in the government in 2011 and they did very well in regards to energy politics, IMO. Renewable energy is now cheaper than nuclear energy in France from what I've heard, for instance, despite the fact that it gets less subventions. 60% of Germany's energy consumption is renewable now and that not only has economic advantages but also geopolitical ones.
Single person cheering is fine, skewing the algorithms is not
He is standing next to the US president in the White House. US president is telling him what to do on social media. Didn't Trump in fact say he is the head of DOGE in media? Whatever his "official" role in the US government is or isn't is not really relevant as he is obviously a key member of the new government and acting on behalf of it.
Also he did a NAZI salute (isn't that illegal in germany?) is supporting a pro-nazi party. We (europe) need to take a drastic action against him. Sanction him and ban all his companies in EU. F*cking Nazi.
Not disagreeing with any of that. Just arguing from an official pov, it's not really different to any random citizen doing it.
Can still get in the bin, Nazi enabling and Nazi himself twat
Is there any chance at all of afd gaining power from this election?
Only if the Union teams up with them. Merz probably would by my estimation, but significant parts of his party would stage an insurrection if he did.
Could maybe even be best case, right? If his party doesn't go along with it, it's the end for him and AfD still doesn't end up in power
Maybe, but I am not willing to bet on enough of them throwing up a huge stink about it. They elected Merz after all, a guy who I have no trouble imagining as an AfD member.
Feck, so there's a chance, was hoping I'd have nothing to worry about today.
Merz is an unscrupulous, unprincipled capitalist puppet, if it comes to a stalemate, i would not put it beyond him to sell out to the fascists. Even I don't think it will be an open Union-AfD coalition, but i could see them going for some unholy minority government, legislating at the mercy of AfD votes.
So far it doesn’t look like nearly enough people in CDU/CSU are willing to team up with the AFD. And the idea isn’t popular among their voters, so It would seems to be suicidal for Merz to try this…
I'm just glad I could steer my grandma away from voting BSW. Took quite some time. She has this bad habit where she really trends towards people who she things look nice, her definition of "nice" being toothpaste advertisement - lawyer crossovers with soulless eyes and an empty smile. Zu Guttenberg, Wulff, now Wagenknecht aare those sorts - she can't even say which of they politics she likes, but they just look so personable so she wants to vote for them. Plus, she's left-ish, and Wagenknecht split from the Linke party so she's gotta be left, too, right? And she once saw an interview where Wagenknecht argued in favour of making public servants pay into the general pension pool like everyone else, and being extremely pension-focussed these days that appealed to her.
Took months of work to make her see that Wagenknecht was full of populist and xenophobic shit, has no clue how to finance any of her demands, and is a muppet with Putin's hand up the arse. Now she voted for the Linke, as she has done most years.
Took months of work to make her see that Wagenknecht was full of populist and xenophobic shit, has no clue how to finance any of her demands, and is a muppet with Putin's hand up the arse. Now she voted for the Linke, as she has done most years.
one at a time, that's the true democratic spirit and job well done
Are people not immediately put off that someone made a party based around their own name?
That would definitely be my gut reaction as well, would instantly put me off. But she lived half her life in the GDR, so I guess she is just more used to a person basically being synonymous with the party and it does not set her alarm bells ringing.
Absolutely. Imo, the EU should regulate the shit out of social media in Europe as well.
Some protestors projected a giant image of Musk showing the Nazi salute on a Tesla fabric in Berlin, the police is now investigating against the protestors for showcasing the Nazi salute. Germany 2025 in a nutshell.