Geovany Quenda - Summer 2025

[Zumbi]

I don't think we need a wide attacker since we have Amad.

When did I say that? Just because I am against signing Quenda doesn't mean I am generally against signing another wide attacker / number 10. If anything, we could buy another player if we don't spend 50m on Quenda.

 

[aeh1991]

whoops yea I see now. But I meant two different things. In my first reply it was regarding on one transfer. That I would opt for a different type of player for that specific position (RWB). In general, of course we need more attacking players. Wide players, number tens, center forward. But the question is how many signings can we make. And if we spend 50m on Quenda and another 70 on a CF we can't sign any more players.

 

[Utterly De Ligt'd]

I honestly think Amorim quite likes him, feck knows why. He starts every single match irrespective of form.

I hate to say it, because I really like Amorim, I hope we stick with him and it works, but the one concern I have had is his Portuguese bias has shown early. Dalot and Bruno play every game, 90 mins and he has openly talked about how important they are and how he will play them. There is more of an argument with Bruno, because he's been playing a little better recently, but both of these players should have been dropped on performances multiple times since Amorim came in and the really haven't, maybe Dalot, but it was probably more based on rotation than dropping him for being kinda crap for several years now.

 

[Bestie07]

I hate to say it, because I really like Amorim, I hope we stick with him and it works, but the one concern I have had is his Portuguese bias has shown early. Dalot and Bruno play every game, 90 mins and he has openly talked about how important they are and how he will play them. There is more of an argument with Bruno, because he's been playing a little better recently, but both of these players should have been dropped on performances multiple times since Amorim came in and the really haven't, maybe Dalot, but it was probably more based on rotation than dropping him for being kinda crap for several years now.

We have zero alternatives for Dalot. Playing him at all times is a necessity for Amorim. We'll be even more fcked if Dalot somehow got injured.

 

[Grande]

I think you’re reading the wrong things into it.

Bruno is the captain, has been one of the clearly most important pieces to get working even when he’s not played well, and he evidently is always an example of applying himself intensely wether in training, dressing room or pitch, so the point of ‘making an example by benching a big name who plays badly’ doesn’t apply so well to him. Besides, no one has looked as if they should have his place, even at his worst.

Dalot, who has had in my view an atrocious season, would still have been played by any manager as the alternatives have been Shaw (out), Malacia (out/even worse), Mazraoui (played every game when fit), Amad (needed elsewhere/out), Antony (see nota bene), Dorgu (been applicable for three games) and children.

Some would throw Garnacho and Rashford in at WB. I am not among them, and I doubt many PL level managers would either.

Nota bene: Apart from assuming he is a political nationalist, the only reason to assume Amorim would favour these two is common language, which makes no sense as Casemiro has been out in the cold and Antony has been fecked off.

 

[Rozay]

Still for the life if me cannot understand why on earth we would be looking for a left-footed winger to play RWB.

 

[sherrinford]

Not at all - most likely Quenda would play RWB and Amad would play right 10.

Garnacho isn’t very good, so I’m not sure how that’s a solution to anything.

Not very desireable though, due to the aforementioned similarity between the two.

Why look to bring in Quenda with a view to primarily use him behind Amad when, instead, we could target a right-footed player who is likely to form a more naturally complimentary relationship with him?

The appeal in signing Quenda is in his versatility and his obvious promise looking at his quality at his age in a vacuum. He's not an obvious fit for right wingback here though.

 

[Zumbi]

Not very desireable though, due to the aforementioned similarity between the two.

Why look to bring in Quenda with a view to primarily use him behind Amad when, instead, we could target a right-footed player who is likely to form a more naturally complimentary relationship with him?

The appeal in signing Quenda is in his versatility and his obvious promise looking at his quality at his age in a vacuum. He's not an obvious fit for right wingback here though.

He’s an obvious fit for right wing back because he’s an incredibly talented right wing back. Writing him off as a poor fit just because both him and Amad are left footed seems a little short sighted to me when you actually look at their attributes. It’s a combo that looks massively desirable compared to what we have been playing.

I think the similarities between them are overblown because the ways in which they’re similar are things we need desperately need more of in the squad anyway. We’re also sorely lacking in the sort of fluidity that comes from attacking players being able to seamlessly interchange and pull defences apart and open up space for others.

Having another even pacier player who can beat a man both on the inside and the outside would instantly make that side more unpredictable and harder to contain. Right now when Amad’s playing (either at RWB or 10) opponents know they can just double up on him because there’s no other threat alongside him. That wouldn’t be the case with a player as dynamic as Quenda on the same side.

 

[Rozay]

Not very desireable though, due to the aforementioned similarity between the two.

Why look to bring in Quenda with a view to primarily use him behind Amad when, instead, we could target a right-footed player who is likely to form a more naturally complimentary relationship with him?

The appeal in signing Quenda is in his versatility and his obvious promise looking at his quality at his age in a vacuum. He's not an obvious fit for right wingback here though.

This is obvious and common sense.

 

[OnceUponAFan]

I hate to say it, because I really like Amorim, I hope we stick with him and it works, but the one concern I have had is his Portuguese bias has shown early. Dalot and Bruno play every game, 90 mins and he has openly talked about how important they are and how he will play them. There is more of an argument with Bruno, because he's been playing a little better recently, but both of these players should have been dropped on performances multiple times since Amorim came in and the really haven't, maybe Dalot, but it was probably more based on rotation than dropping him for being kinda crap for several years now.

Like others have said, he has no alternative to Dalot. At the moment players that can stay fit and run 90 minutes are given a starting place.

To ease your worries, have a look at what Amorim did after his first season with Sporting. He got rid of lots of players that were his regular starters. 25 players left in total. Many being first team regulars. Many were replaced with youngsters which is what United seems to be looking to do too.

He's making do at this time but one thing that has always been said about Amorim is he doesn't have attachments to keeping players if they're not right. I think I remember when he joined there being a story of him selling one of his good friends even though he'd played regularly too.

Amorim means it when he says we're trying to survive now. None of these players are guaranteed to stay under Amorim. I would read anything in to his current team selections to judge what might happen in the summer.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

If United spend anything like the rumoured numbers on Quenda it will only show that this club has learned absolutely nothing. The same people who were appalled by 80m for Antony are now ok with 50-60m for Quenda, sheer madness.

If you're fine with using a left footed player at RWB then why wouldn't you just use Dorgu in that position and sign Rayan from Wolves for the LWB? Rayan is the best attacking LWB in the premier league, has 1 year left on his contract and only 23.

Are people who want us to sign Quenda for that money seriously going to say that United lining up next season with

Dorgu-----------------------------------------------------Quenda
...................X-------De Ligh---------Yoro

Is stronger than:

Ait Nouri----------------------------------------------------Dorgu
...................X--------De Ligt--------Yoro

The latter is clearly much stronger, not to mention that Ait Nouri with one year left on his deal would be available for 10-15m.

Take the additional 30m and put it towards Murillo/Hijsen or Cunha/Gyokeres.

Unreal in a time when money is scarce people seriously proposing that type of money on that player.

You could also buy any 3 out of Wesley/Vanderson/Luis Henrique for right wing back for less money than the reported Quenda fee. Part of why United get wrecked in transfers in specifically because clubs know they don't have alternatives and just overpay.

 

[Remember the geese]

Don't worry Quenda. I still want us to sign you...

 

[Rozay]

If United spend anything like the rumoured numbers on Quenda it will only show that this club has learned absolutely nothing. The same people who were appalled by 80m for Antony are now ok with 50-60m for Quenda, sheer madness.

If you're fine with using a left footed player at RWB then why wouldn't you just use Dorgu in that position and sign Rayan from Wolves for the LWB? Rayan is the best attacking LWB in the premier league, has 1 year left on his contract and only 23.

Are people who want us to sign Quenda for that money seriously going to say that United lining up next season with

Dorgu-----------------------------------------------------Quenda
...................X-------De Ligh---------Yoro

Is stronger than:

Ait Nouri----------------------------------------------------Dorgu
...................X--------De Ligt--------Yoro

The latter is clearly much stronger, not to mention that Ait Nouri with one year left on his deal would be available for 10-15m.

Take the additional 30m and put it towards Murillo/Hijsen or Cunha/Gyokeres.

Unreal in a time when money is scarce people seriously proposing that type of money on that player.

You could also buy any 3 out of Wesley/Vanderson/Luis Henrique for right wing back for less money than the reported Quenda fee. Part of why United get wrecked in transfers in specifically because clubs know they don't have alternatives and just overpay.

If left to me I’d activate our buy-back clause for Elanga and play him RWB (well, if left to me I wouldn’t be playing WBs at all tbh).

He is the ideal profile for that role. Not Mo fecking Salah or Lionel Messi.

 

[MadDogg]

I hate to say it, because I really like Amorim, I hope we stick with him and it works, but the one concern I have had is his Portuguese bias has shown early. Dalot and Bruno play every game, 90 mins and he has openly talked about how important they are and how he will play them. There is more of an argument with Bruno, because he's been playing a little better recently, but both of these players should have been dropped on performances multiple times since Amorim came in and the really haven't, maybe Dalot, but it was probably more based on rotation than dropping him for being kinda crap for several years now.

While Dalot has been poor this season and I don't think suits the wingback role in this system, I don't know where this idea that he's been poor for years comes from. He was literally our best player last season; in 22/23 he had a strong first half of the season before injury took him out for a couple of months then he ended the season at a lower level but still wasn't bad; and if I remember correctly he finished 21/22 quite strongly as well.

He's continually played this season because for as bad a form as he's been in, he's basically spent the entire season as our second best fullback/wingback. Under ETH as a fullback Mazraoui was obviously better, but Dalot was better than any of our other available options. Then under Amorim as a wingback he's actually been better than Mazraoui (Dalot gets forward and stretches the play a lot more, even if his final ball is poor) who has clearly been better at CB, so Dalot was our second best to Amad. Then Amad got injured so Dalot has continued being our second best now to Dorgu (who we obviously hope will establish himself as comfortably better).

 

[Aint gota Kalou]

If United spend anything like the rumoured numbers on Quenda it will only show that this club has learned absolutely nothing. The same people who were appalled by 80m for Antony are now ok with 50-60m for Quenda, sheer madness.

If you're fine with using a left footed player at RWB then why wouldn't you just use Dorgu in that position and sign Rayan from Wolves for the LWB? Rayan is the best attacking LWB in the premier league, has 1 year left on his contract and only 23.

Are people who want us to sign Quenda for that money seriously going to say that United lining up next season with

Dorgu-----------------------------------------------------Quenda
...................X-------De Ligh---------Yoro

Is stronger than:

Ait Nouri----------------------------------------------------Dorgu
...................X--------De Ligt--------Yoro

The latter is clearly much stronger, not to mention that Ait Nouri with one year left on his deal would be available for 10-15m.

Take the additional 30m and put it towards Murillo/Hijsen or Cunha/Gyokeres.

Unreal in a time when money is scarce people seriously proposing that type of money on that player.

You could also buy any 3 out of Wesley/Vanderson/Luis Henrique for right wing back for less money than the reported Quenda fee. Part of why United get wrecked in transfers in specifically because clubs know they don't have alternatives and just overpay.

Wolves have another 1 year option for Alt Nouri, so effectively 2 years. He's not going for 10-15m. It'll be 30+. He's a very different profile also so I guess it's dependent on the qualities he wants as wing back

Not sure what Antony has to do with Quenda either, it's a lazy comparison because he's an ex player of a United manager.

 

[MCDC]

If United spend anything like the rumoured numbers on Quenda it will only show that this club has learned absolutely nothing. The same people who were appalled by 80m for Antony are now ok with 50-60m for Quenda, sheer madness.

If you're fine with using a left footed player at RWB then why wouldn't you just use Dorgu in that position and sign Rayan from Wolves for the LWB? Rayan is the best attacking LWB in the premier league, has 1 year left on his contract and only 23.

Are people who want us to sign Quenda for that money seriously going to say that United lining up next season with

Dorgu-----------------------------------------------------Quenda
...................X-------De Ligh---------Yoro

Is stronger than:

Ait Nouri----------------------------------------------------Dorgu
...................X--------De Ligt--------Yoro

The latter is clearly much stronger, not to mention that Ait Nouri with one year left on his deal would be available for 10-15m.

Take the additional 30m and put it towards Murillo/Hijsen or Cunha/Gyokeres.

Unreal in a time when money is scarce people seriously proposing that type of money on that player.

You could also buy any 3 out of Wesley/Vanderson/Luis Henrique for right wing back for less money than the reported Quenda fee. Part of why United get wrecked in transfers in specifically because clubs know they don't have alternatives and just overpay.

The reported fees have been around €40 for Quenda.

Ait Nouri has 2 years left effectively.

Antony lazy comparison, Maguire was 80m so we shouldn’t of signed Yoro?

 

[Zumbi]

This is obvious and common sense.

Ah yes, common sense, that mechanism of over simplification that often leads to incorrect conclusions.

Thankfully we already have an example of how a left footed RWB can work with a left footed right 10 in Amorim’s system, because that’s exactly how Sporting often set up with Quenda and Trincao.

 

[aeh1991]

Ah yes, common sense, that mechanism of over simplification that often leads to incorrect conclusions.

Thankfully we already have an example of how a left footed RWB can work with a left footed right 10 in Amorim’s system, because that’s exactly how Sporting often set up with Quenda and Trincao.

But Trincao is much different to Amad, while him and Quenda are quite similar.

 

[Zumbi]

But Trincao is much different to Amad, while him and Quenda are quite similar.

What similarities are going to prevent them working effectively together?

 

[Rozay]

Ah yes, common sense, that mechanism of over simplification that often leads to incorrect conclusions.

Thankfully we already have an example of how a left footed RWB can work with a left footed right 10 in Amorim’s system, because that’s exactly how Sporting often set up with Quenda and Trincao.

Knowing Amorim played it in Portugal is not the same as knowing how it works. So if you can actually offer explanation as to why it is the desirable model other than ‘Amorim played this at Sporting’, then do explain. Him playing a certain way at Sporting means little to me. So what are the benefits of this method, seeing as you observed it at Sporting? Benefits that means it makes more sense than having a right-footed RWB.

 

[Zumbi]

Knowing Amorim played it in Portugal is not the same as knowing how it works. So if you can actually offer explanation as to why it is the desirable model other than ‘Amorim played this at Sporting’, then do explain. Him playing a certain way at Sporting means little to me. So what are the benefits of this method, seeing as you observed it at Sporting? Benefits that means it makes more sense than having a right-footed RWB.

I already did on this very page, although it was specifically about how Amad and Quenda could work together, as that’s more relevant to us than Quenda and Trincao. And to be clear, I’m not attempting to make a generic point about how a left-footed RWB is a greater benefit than a right-footed RWB, but a more specific point about how the particular attributes and talents of a particular player outweigh which foot he favours, and that it doesn’t make sense to use the latter as justification for veto’ing a player who otherwise has so many of the attributes we should be looking for in that role.

The Trincao point was simply to illustrate to those claiming that two left footers on right doesn’t make sense and can’t be complimentary, that there’s real life evidence of it working with one of the exact same players we’re discussing.

He’s an obvious fit for right wing back because he’s an incredibly talented right wing back. Writing him off as a poor fit just because both him and Amad are left footed seems a little short sighted to me when you actually look at their attributes. It’s a combo that looks massively desirable compared to what we have been playing.

I think the similarities between them are overblown because the ways in which they’re similar are things we need desperately need more of in the squad anyway. We’re also sorely lacking in the sort of fluidity that comes from attacking players being able to seamlessly interchange and pull defences apart and open up space for others.

Having another even pacier player who can beat a man both on the inside and the outside would instantly make that side more unpredictable and harder to contain. Right now when Amad’s playing (either at RWB or 10) opponents know they can just double up on him because there’s no other threat alongside him. That wouldn’t be the case with a player as dynamic as Quenda on the same side.

We are desperately lacking fast, athletic, technical players who can provide a consistent threat in one on one situations. I don’t see how having two such players on one flank instead of just one is a particular issue simply because they’re both left footed, especially when both have show an ability to beat players on either side. I actually think they would compliment each other beautifully because of how easily they could interchange. And it’s that sort of movement we’ve been desperately lacking in our attack for years.

 

[Rozay]

I already did on this very page, although it was specifically about how Amad and Quenda could work together, as that’s more relevant to us than Quenda and Trincao. And to be clear, I’m not attempting to make a generic point about how a left-footed RWB is a greater benefit than a right-footed RWB, but a more specific point about how the particular attributes and talents of a particular player outweigh which foot he favours, and that it doesn’t make sense to use the latter as justification for veto’ing a player who otherwise has so many of the attributes we should be looking for in that role.

The Trincao point was simply to illustrate to those claiming that two left footers on right doesn’t make sense and can’t be complimentary, that there’s real life evidence of it working with one of the exact same players we’re discussing.



We are desperately lacking fast, athletic, technical players who can provide a consistent threat in one on one situations. I don’t see how having two such players on one flank instead of just one is a particular issue simply because they’re both left footed, especially when both have show an ability to beat players on either side. I actually think they would compliment each other beautifully because of how easily they could interchange. And it’s that sort of movement we’ve been desperately lacking in our attack for years.

I think the argument you make is more valid if Quenda already played for us.
Not when you are going to the market to recruit for a position.

I feel like you make an argument as for why we, or any other team, should want a dynamic wing back to play with a dynamic inside forward. The case I am looking for is to why this player (for the RWB position) should be left-footed. I don’t think mine, or anyone else’s argument is that we should play Kobbie Mainoo or someone with similar characteristics at RWB because he is a right footed player. I still see the overwhelmingly common sense solution to be a dynamic offensive player who is right footed. This isn’t Sporting and our options are not limited to Quenda or players Amorim has worked with. I struggle to see that he is the most sensible market option for the role.

The situation with Dalot and Hojlund on Thursday provided a snapshot of the situation we want a RWB to be involved in. Putting a left-footed winger in that position, to me, increases the likelihood that he does exactly what Dalot did there and try to come inside rather than play the obvious pass on his right-foot.

I think you also need to consider factors such as the level of competition in Portugal for Sporting, and the fact that Quenda himself is just a talented player. If you put a good player in an attacking situation, it’s feasible that he will contribute. Amad would, I imagine, perform capably enough as a LWB as well as a RWB. Mo Salah, despite not being a WB at all, is a player we’d prefer in the situations Dalot finds himself in. If henwere in our squad, we’d play him at RWB before we play Mainoo there. However, we are not talking about working with the pieces we have here, we are talking about acquiring players best suited to roles in our team. A player who will not naturally provide width and delivery from the right is not the ideal RWB. That said, I’d take Messi there over Dalot for sure, although I think I’d rather Kanchelskis ideally if I were choosing.

 

[Zumbi]

I think the argument you make is more valid if Quenda already played for us.
Not when you are going to the market to recruit for a position.

I feel like you make an argument as for why we, or any other team, should want a dynamic wing back to play with a dynamic inside forward. The case I am looking for is to why this player (for the RWB position) should be left-footed. I don’t think mine, or anyone else’s argument is that we should play Kobbie Mainoo or someone with similar characteristics at RWB because he is a right footed player. I still see the overwhelmingly common sense solution to be a dynamic offensive player who is right footed. This isn’t Sporting and our options are not limited to Quenda or players Amorim has worked with. I struggle to see that he is the most sensible market option for the role.

The situation with Dalot and Hojlund on Thursday provided a snapshot of the situation we want a RWB to be involved in. Putting a left-footed winger in that position, to me, increases the likelihood that he does exactly what Dalot did there and try to come inside rather than play the obvious pass on his right-foot.

I think you also need to consider factors such as the level of competition in Portugal for Sporting, and the fact that Quenda himself is just a talented player. If you put a good player in an attacking situation, it’s feasible that he will contribute. Amad would, I imagine, perform capably enough as a LWB as well as a RWB. Mo Salah, despite not being a WB at all, is a player we’d prefer in the situations Dalot finds himself in. If henwere in our squad, we’d play him at RWB before we play Mainoo there. However, we are not talking about working with the pieces we have here, we are talking about acquiring players best suited to roles in our team. A player who will not naturally provide width and delivery from the right is not the ideal RWB. That said, I’d take Messi there over Dalot for sure, although I think I’d rather Kanchelskis ideally if I were choosing.

One of the main reason Amorim likes Quenda at RWB is because it opens up passing angles both when beating the press in the first phase of play, as well as for the runs he expects his right 10 and 9 to make further up the field, whilst retaining the ability to maintain width and beat a player on the outside with his skill and pace. The Sporting Man City game is a good illustration of how that works in practice.

You’re right to look at it in broader terms of our transfer policy in general though, but oddly enough I don’t think you’ve actually broadened the scope enough to understand why we might be so keen on him.

The assumption at play here is that he would be brought in only as a specialist RWB. I’ve argued why I think he could suit us, and suit Amorim’s system, very well there, complimenting Amad on that side. But the specific reason or logic behind his purchase isn’t necessarily just to have him as a specialist left footed RWB. It’s likely the logic behind his purchase would be far more broad: we’ve changed to a system that heavily relies on two WBs and two 10s, we’re lacking in players that can effectively play those positions whilst also lacking the funds to buy all the reinforcements we need in those positions, and Quenda has the versatility to play at a high level in all those positions whilst also adding various other attributes our attack sorely lacks (pace, athleticism, technical ability, one on one ability)

He also ticks another box which is more broadly related to deliberate changes of approach in our transfer policy: he’s one of the most highly touted young talents in the world which makes him a risk, but also makes him a player we might actually be able to attract and afford. Because right now we cannot afford or attract more established and experienced top tier talent.

 

[cpresc]

Everyone banging on Amad and Quenda as similar and both left footed, well how about we learn from past mistakes and not expect a 17yo to come in on massive wages and first team promise to nail down the RWB

How about instead keep him humble and rotate with Amad.

Then go get a world class 10. Or Cunha

 

[Adnan]

I think if the opportunity is there to sign Quenda then we should try and get him in. He's a young player with a very high ceiling.

I also don't think Amad and Quenda are that similar apart from being left footed. I'd say Quenda is someone that is more of a winger who plays with high intensity and has impressive acceleration over the first few yards. He's still only 17 but he's a young player that I would personally want to see develop at United because he's potentially world class.

But having said that, at least one midfielder with real ability needs to bought who has the attributes to be a plus point both in-possession and out of possession. Ideally I'd like to see two midfielders bought but one midfielder with the requisite attributes would be a step in the right direction.

I think for the system of play to click into gear the priority has to be the midfield and one more CB who also has the abilities to carry out the tasks both in-possession and out of possession.

So if someone like Quenda arrives along with a CB and midfielder with the aforementioned attributes then I believe we'd be going in the right direction as far as developing a more proactive system of play.

 

[RuudTom83]

Everyone banging on Amad and Quenda as similar and both left footed, well how about we learn from past mistakes and not expect a 17yo to come in on massive wages and first team promise to nail down the RWB

How about instead keep him humble and rotate with Amad.

Then go get a world class 10. Or Cunha

Very true.

From this perspective it would be a very good scenario.

Obviously if cash is tight you can argue what’s the best way to spend it. But as far as your post is concerned…I agree.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Not seen loads of him (odd match and comps) but looks decent.

I do think Amad looks good/better coming from deeper… and, we’ve got Kamason who looks decent and is 18. If we’re short of cash and limited to how many positions we can improve, I wonder if a MFer, a 9, a goalie rank more important?

 

[Zumbi]

Not seen loads of him (odd match and comps) but looks decent.

I do think Amad looks good/better coming from deeper… and, we’ve got Kamason who looks decent and is 18. If we’re short of cash and limited to how many positions we can improve, I wonder if a MFer, a 9, a goalie rank more important?

Agreed a midfielder is an absolute must, as is a 9. An attacking wide player is also right up there as well though when you consider we’re almost certainly losing Anthony, Rashford and Sancho. Quenda can play both WB positions and either of the 10 positions, so on that front he seems like a no brainer if we can get him for a decent price without sacrificing upgrades in CM and at 9.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

Wolves have another 1 year option for Alt Nouri, so effectively 2 years. He's not going for 10-15m. It'll be 30+. He's a very different profile also so I guess it's dependent on the qualities he wants as wing back

Not sure what Antony has to do with Quenda either, it's a lazy comparison because he's an ex player of a United manager.

What qualities do you think Amorim wants in his wing backs that Nouri does't have and Quenda does? What ability does Quenda have that Ait Nouri doesn't?

It's a perfectly valid comparison because United ended up vastly overpaying for an unproven player just because the manager wanted him. All reports where that scouts valued him at 20-30m. If United had great scouting networks and a recruitment policy that made sense then we would have walked away from him and signed one of 10+ players who were better players or prospects.

Ait Nouri is a better wing back that Quenda, it's not debatable. Wesley/Vanderson are the Brazilian national team full backs who have both played wing back and Luis Henrique plays right wing back for Marseille under De Zerbi and has put up incredible numbers. All of the above players are available for less than Quenda.

The reported fees have been around €40 for Quenda.

Ait Nouri has 2 years left effectively.

Antony lazy comparison, Maguire was 80m so we shouldn’t of signed Yoro?

In fairness I'd happily pay €40 for Quenda, even cheaper than the flight to Manchester.

 

[Tallis]

What qualities do you think Amorim wants in his wing backs that Nouri does't have and Quenda does? What ability does Quenda have that Ait Nouri doesn't?

It's a perfectly valid comparison because United ended up vastly overpaying for an unproven player just because the manager wanted him. All reports where that scouts valued him at 20-30m. If United had great scouting networks and a recruitment policy that made sense then we would have walked away from him and signed one of 10+ players who were better players or prospects.

Ait Nouri is a better wing back that Quenda, it's not debatable. Wesley/Vanderson are the Brazilian national team full backs who have both played wing back and Luis Henrique plays right wing back for Marseille under De Zerbi and has put up incredible numbers. All of the above players are available for less than Quenda.

In fairness I'd happily pay €40 for Quenda, even cheaper than the flight to Manchester.

The comparison with Ait Nouri is exactly what convinced me that we shouldn’t sign Quenda at this stage unless he is below 30m.

Ait Nouri is premier league proven and has better G+a numbers than Quenda (they have similar G+A but Ait Nouri has played fewer games). Also, Ait Nouri has delivered those numbers playing for a weaker club and will also likely be cheaper.

 

[Remember the geese]

What qualities do you think Amorim wants in his wing backs that Nouri does't have and Quenda does? What ability does Quenda have that Ait Nouri doesn't?

Ait Nouri has spent the vast majority of his career on the left. We'd essentially be signing a player with the intention of playing him out of position. Quenda is also a better athlete and is quicker. Potentially he can give you a lot more, as his attacking game could evolve into something much greater. Ait Nouri despite being young, gives me the impression that he's already operating at somewhere near his top level.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

Ait Nouri has spent the vast majority of his career on the left. We'd essentially be signing a player with the intention of playing him out of position. Quenda is also a better athlete and is quicker. Potentially he can give you a lot more, as his attacking game could evolve into something much greater. Ait Nouri despite being young, gives me the impression that he's already operating at somewhere near his top level.

Play Ait Nouri on the left and Dorgu on the right.

Quenda played as a winger throughout his childhood and moved into wingback role for Amorim.

What evidence do you have that Quenda is a better athlete? He ranks among the worst players for challenges lost 95th percentile. Tackles won he's literally in the bottom 1%, interceptions bottom 3%. This is tackles is def 3rd, mid 3rd and attacking 3rd. All terrible numbers. Blocks bottom 5%/ interceptions bottom 3% Aerials lost he's also among the worst.

His attacking numbers are decent but he's behind Ait Nouri in a ton of them and this is while he's playing for the best team in a far inferior league.

Ait Nouri is already an elite level creative full back. He ranks 90+ in Goals/Assists-Non pen goals/successful take ons/fouls drawn that lead to a goal. He's 80+ in carries into penalty area/penaltys won/touches attackin pen/tackles won etc etc

He doesn't need some huge evolution in his game to be a huge asset since he's currently performing at an elite level.

With all due respect United need to move very far away from the eye test model for selecting players. People said that potentially Anthony could evolve into something much greater and we know how that happened.

It's sheer madness that we watch Liverpool/Brentford/Brighton use a data driven approach completely wreck us in the transfer market but logic like the above is why.

 

[Remember the geese]

Play Ait Nouri on the left and Dorgu on the right.

Quenda played as a winger throughout his childhood and moved into wingback role for Amorim.

What evidence do you have that Quenda is a better athlete? He ranks among the worst players for challenges lost 95th percentile. Tackles won he's literally in the bottom 1%, interceptions bottom 3%. This is tackles is def 3rd, mid 3rd and attacking 3rd. All terrible numbers. Blocks bottom 5%/ interceptions bottom 3% Aerials lost he's also among the worst.

His attacking numbers are decent but he's behind Ait Nouri in a ton of them and this is while he's playing for the best team in a far inferior league.

Ait Nouri is already an elite level creative full back. He ranks 90+ in Goals/Assists-Non pen goals/successful take ons/fouls drawn that lead to a goal. He's 80+ in carries into penalty area/penaltys won/touches attackin pen/tackles won etc etc

He doesn't need some huge evolution in his game to be a huge asset since he's currently performing at an elite level.

With all due respect United need to move very far away from the eye test model for selecting players. People said that potentially Anthony could evolve into something much greater and we know how that happened.

It's sheer madness that we watch Liverpool/Brentford/Brighton use a data driven approach completely wreck us in the transfer market but logic like the above is why.

The issue is that Quenda is on a completely different level to Dorgu in terms of talent. Dorgu, although he has played on the right, is far more comfortable on the left. Ait-Nouri on the left with Quenda on the right, would make a lot of sense, but obviously that isn't happening.

In terms of being a better athlete, Ait Nouri comes across as a bit of a fair weather type of player. Neat, tidy, technical. Aesthetically pleasing, but a bit flaky. I consider Quenda to be quicker, more agile, capable of covering more ground and with the capacity to improve his strength, where as Ait Nouri is already performing at his optimum level. I could be wrong.

Quenda is being pursued because he's one of the most talented young players in Europe. If Amorim wasn't here, I think we would still pursue him. Similarly to Yoro.

 

[Hip Hop]

We need more intricate, technical players with pace able to dribble past opponents on a regular basis and he fits the profile. Him with Amad and another one in the inside will be great. Watching PSG the other night and United the day after was like watching a different sport.

 

[aeh1991]

The issue is that Quenda is on a completely different level to Dorgu in terms of talent. Dorgu, although he has played on the right, is far more comfortable on the left. Ait-Nouri on the left with Quenda on the right, would make a lot of sense, but obviously that isn't happening.

In terms of being a better athlete, Ait Nouri comes across as a bit of a fair weather type of player. Neat, tidy, technical. Aesthetically pleasing, but a bit flaky. I consider Quenda to be quicker, more agile, capable of covering more ground and with the capacity to improve his strength, where as Ait Nouri is already performing at his optimum level. I could be wrong.

Quenda is being pursued because he's one of the most talented young players in Europe. If Amorim wasn't here, I think we would still pursue him. Similarly to Yoro.

Pretty sure we wouldn't. Firstly we wouldn't play with wing backs and secondly we would likely go for a right footed RWB if we did - like most manager would. I don't mind if we end up signing Quenda, but it does feel like a Ten Hag style signing and I'd rather Vivell signing players regardless of the manager. and the quoted €40m is how we value him. Sporting want £50m at least.

 

[Remember the geese]

I was working under the premise that we hired a different manager who played with wing-backs. Obviously if we were playing with a back four, then we wouldn't sign him as a fullback. Only way it would happen is if we signed him to play more advanced as competition for Amad.

 

[Trex]

I was working under the premise that we hired a different manager who played with wing-backs. Obviously if we were playing with a back four, then we wouldn't sign him as a fullback. Only way it would happen is if we signed him to play more advanced as competition for Amad.

We're playing with a back three now but the idea would be to think even beyond that. If we bought Frimpong for example we'll have him, Dalot and Maz who are specialist right backs with only Amad as a specialist right winger.
It makes sense we go for him he'll play as a right wing back in this system but say we go back to playing a back four then he's a winger basically replacing Antony.
It's the same logic with Dorgu replacing Malacia.

 

[DJ_21]

Is Quenda naturally a winger? I know sporting a new manager as changed to a normal back 4 and play him as one of the wingers

 

[Remember the geese]

We're playing with a back three now but the idea would be to think even beyond that. If we bought Frimpong for example we'll have him, Dalot and Maz who are specialist right backs with only Amad as a specialist right winger.
It makes sense we go for him he'll play as a right wing back in this system but say we go back to playing a back four then he's a winger basically replacing Antony.
It's the same logic with Dorgu replacing Malacia.

Agreed. He's useful to us regardless.

 

[Remember the geese]

Is Quenda naturally a winger? I know sporting a new manager as changed to a normal back 4 and play him as one of the wingers

Yes. Apparently he was a winger in their academy. It was Amorim who made him a wing-back.