Geovany Quenda | Ornstein: Chelsea agree 7-year deal with option of a further year. Will go to Chelsea in 2026.

If a 17 year old puts in a stand out performance (assist etc) in the champions league vs Man City why would anyone be hung up on €40m? Or Stoke city Hypotheticals?

He has a lot that we currently lack. Pace, the willingness to attack his man, work rate.

Scout him more to make sure there are no crazy hidden red flags. Other wise it’s a no brainer.
 
I wonder if he will be found out in the Prem, it’s great playing in a team dominating the ball and in a less physical league. But can he do it on a rainy night in Stoke blah blah.
Arsenal is the new Stoke.

Not sure how he fared against them earlier this season in the CL.
 
is there any thustworthy links linking him to us or is this all a wish scenario some journos put up?
 
Both a gamble I guess. But one I’m prepared to back. I just fear for the toxicity around the club if a17/18 year old doesn’t hit the ground running in a key position. Our fans are showing this season that they have no patience for a slow build.

Yeah but he has a bit of Garnacho in him - even if he has an off-day, he is so quick and direct that he will create chances. And I would much rather have someone like him than a 1-dimentional and slow winger like Antony
 
Yeah but he has a bit of Garnacho in him - even if he has an off-day, he is so quick and direct that he will create chances. And I would much rather have someone like him than a 1-dimentional and slow winger like Antony
Yeah but he also looks a better technician than Garnacho. His more ambitious passes find their man and he seems like a better dribbler. He definitely seems to have a few wild shots in him like Garna but expect both of them to improve their shooting/decision making around shooting over time.
 
this is a kid that clearly shows he's not afraid of playing in big matches against top teams while expressing himself on the ball.....we really could use this kid on the outside
 
If a 17 year old puts in a stand out performance (assist etc) in the champions league vs Man City why would anyone be hung up on €40m? Or Stoke city Hypotheticals?

He has a lot that we currently lack. Pace, the willingness to attack his man, work rate.

Scout him more to make sure there are no crazy hidden red flags. Other wise it’s a no brainer.
Especially it is clear that we go for the young players
 
We've looked so much better when playing an attacking player in that position with Amad. Quenda looks similar to me in that he's a comfortable dribbler, good with the ball in tight spaces and quick at closing, so I'd be happy to sign another player like that.

If we don't get it right with the wing backs we look so sterile. Frimpong might do a serviceable job there but it wouldn't excite me.
Bruv Frimong can literally operate as an actual winger in a 4-2-3-1. He is far more adept at attacking than you imagine
 
Listen I'm not against signing him, it's just that we need to find the right balance and can't build the team around teenagers. Since we gotta integrate our own talents such as Heaven, Kukonki, Amass/Leon, Kone and Obi, and considering our limited budget, I would prefer players in their early/mid 20s. People here doubting Frimpong while thinking Quenda would walk straight into our first 11 need a reality check. One has proven himself for many years in that position, while the other is just at the beginning of his career playing in a weaker league.
 
I would rather we spend big on 2-3 supertalents and snap up 2-3 experienced players who are out of contract or has 1 year left. That is a much better value for money
 
I would rather we spend big on 2-3 supertalents and snap up 2-3 experienced players who are out of contract or has 1 year left. That is a much better value for money
The market has changed. Just look at the spending in January in the PL, it's very heavily focused on younger players. A few years to develop, but also sell on potential.
 
I would really prefer us to buy Elanga back to play RWB. I have no particular desire for what I consider something of a nonsense of an ‘inverted wing back’. I thought the whole point of the position was to maintain width, and a player who wants to play inside does not seem like the common sense way to go about that.

We’ve also complained about lack of service for our centre forward - surely a natural right footer would be more inclined to provide delivery? If we have a left-footer inside and a left-footer outside - who is supposed to cross the ball with consistency?
 
I would rather we spend big on 2-3 supertalents and snap up 2-3 experienced players who are out of contract or has 1 year left. That is a much better value for money

Because spending big has worked wonders for us.

Sancho, Maguire, Pogba, Di Maria, Casemiro. Brilliant for United, the lot of them.
 
Because spending big has worked wonders for us.

Sancho, Maguire, Pogba, Di Maria, Casemiro. Brilliant for United, the lot of them.
Hate to bring this up but you forgot Antony - arguably the worst of the lot of them.
 
I would really prefer us to buy Elanga back to play RWB. I have no particular desire for what I consider something of a nonsense of an ‘inverted wing back’. I thought the whole point of the position was to maintain width, and a player who wants to play inside does not seem like the common sense way to go about that.

We’ve also complained about lack of service for our centre forward - surely a natural right footer would be more inclined to provide delivery? If we have a left-footer inside and a left-footer outside - who is supposed to cross the ball with consistency?
I doubt he would want to come back
 
If a 17 year old puts in a stand out performance (assist etc) in the champions league vs Man City why would anyone be hung up on €40m? Or Stoke city Hypotheticals?

He has a lot that we currently lack. Pace, the willingness to attack his man, work rate.

Scout him more to make sure there are no crazy hidden red flags. Other wise it’s a no brainer.

Hard to believe he's only 17 and already showing that kind of bravery and confidence in his play. Something I think our team lacks at the moment.
 
His behaviour since leaving leaves little to desire. Both in terms of how he talks about the club, but also in terms of how he behaved towards the swedish NT coach.

I wasn’t aware tbh, although I struggle to keep up with all the players who are supposed to have some sort of asterisk attached by way of personality. Within reason, I have little interest in how these footballers behave anyway. I imagine the sum total of it is generally 23 year olds acting like 23 year olds. From what I see of Elanga, he is a dedicated professional and that’s enough for me.

I haven’t heard his comments, but fans get in their feelings way too much. He’s a professional footballer, and would almost certainly rather play for Manchester United instead of Nottingham Forest. I miss the days before this 24/7 360 football show tbh, it’s excessive and everyone is over-informed now.
 
Because spending big has worked wonders for us.

Sancho, Maguire, Pogba, Di Maria, Casemiro. Brilliant for United, the lot of them.
Not sure he meant spending big on the likes of those players. I think he means super talented younger players. The get 2-3 experienced free agents or in last year of contract and don't get robbed like with Mason Mount.
 
Because spending big has worked wonders for us.

Sancho, Maguire, Pogba, Di Maria, Casemiro. Brilliant for United, the lot of them.
He's clearly talking about those seen to be the next of the best.

Madrid have shown that this is the best way forward and we need to go down this route to have any chance of getting back to the top. Yoro was a great start.
 
I would really prefer us to buy Elanga back to play RWB. I have no particular desire for what I consider something of a nonsense of an ‘inverted wing back’. I thought the whole point of the position was to maintain width, and a player who wants to play inside does not seem like the common sense way to go about that.

We’ve also complained about lack of service for our centre forward - surely a natural right footer would be more inclined to provide delivery? If we have a left-footer inside and a left-footer outside - who is supposed to cross the ball with consistency?

One of the wing backs will be inverted and the other will be more traditional. If anything we should be looking at a LWB that's a left footer.
 
One of the wing backs will be inverted and the other will be more traditional. If anything we should be looking at a LWB that's a left footer.

Yes, it’s a stupid idea, in my opinion. We should be looking at a right footed wing back to play on the right, and compliment the left footed wing back we have just bought, who should play on the left.

Imagine if Kyle Walker and Danny Rose played on the opposite sides at Spurs. Stupid idea.
 
One of the wing backs will be inverted and the other will be more traditional. If anything we should be looking at a LWB that's a left footer.
That makes zero sense in a 343 though?
 
Yes, it’s a stupid idea, in my opinion. We should be looking at a right footed wing back to play on the right, and compliment the left footed wing back we have just bought, who should play on the left.

Imagine if Kyle Walker and Danny Rose played on the opposite sides at Spurs. Stupid idea.

It's hard to compare across managers and systems. I think the idea that there's a right footed player that can cross the ball from the right is fairly well accepted. Ever since inverted wingers became a thing and fullbacks started to come into the midfield, that cross was increasingly being played by the midfielders. The trademark KdB ball from the right is a pretty good example. Bruno did that last year for us when he was more biased towards the right wing. It doesn't have to be the fullback providing that delivery. I think the nature of the delivery also changed a bit -- now it's more the cross from the half space.

The problem for us I guess is that both Amad and Dorgu are left footed and that throws the balance off. Let's see how it's solved. The balance does look better when Bruno shifts over to the right, Amad to RWB and Garnacho as the left #10. Note that in this case (Amad at RWB) you still have a left footer at RWB.

That makes zero sense in a 343 though?

I dunno, I think it still makes sense in a 3-4-3. The attacking shape is still a 3-2-2-3 (or 3-box-3) regardless of whether you arrive at it from a 4 ATB or 5 ATB. Ultimately there are a list of attacking patterns you want to achieve like ball goes wide and is passed inside to the man in the half space. Ball goes wide, player goes down the touch line and crosses. Ball goes wide and player provides cross from deep. Ball goes wide, player dribbles and cuts in with ball, another player occupies position to continue to provide width etc.

I think it's a bit fluid who does what in this case.
 
His dribbling at pace has caused Dortmund no end of problems, also looking for a switch as well meaning he doesn’t just have his head down.
 
kid has special talent and absolutely a player we need to buy in the summer
 
It's hard to compare across managers and systems. I think the idea that there's a right footed player that can cross the ball from the right is fairly well accepted. Ever since inverted wingers became a thing and fullbacks started to come into the midfield, that cross was increasingly being played by the midfielders. The trademark KdB ball from the right is a pretty good example. Bruno did that last year for us when he was more biased towards the right wing. It doesn't have to be the fullback providing that delivery. I think the nature of the delivery also changed a bit -- now it's more the cross from the half space.

The problem for us I guess is that both Amad and Dorgu are left footed and that throws the balance off. Let's see how it's solved. The balance does look better when Bruno shifts over to the right, Amad to RWB and Garnacho as the left #10. Note that in this case (Amad at RWB) you still have a left footer at RWB.



I dunno, I think it still makes sense in a 3-4-3. The attacking shape is still a 3-2-2-3 (or 3-box-3) regardless of whether you arrive at it from a 4 ATB or 5 ATB. Ultimately there are a list of attacking patterns you want to achieve like ball goes wide and is passed inside to the man in the half space. Ball goes wide, player goes down the touch line and crosses. Ball goes wide and player provides cross from deep. Ball goes wide, player dribbles and cuts in with ball, another player occupies position to continue to provide width etc.

I think it's a bit fluid who does what in this case.

It’s not exclusively about supply, it is also about shape. Width. City don’t play with wing backs, and have wide players to stretch CB the pitch. I think the whole point of wing backs are to stretch play and play a vertical game, controlling the flank. A left footed RWB looking to come inside to where a left footed Amad wants to further come inside just seems a little counter productive in my personal opinion.