General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
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A complete pigs ear. Is it a u-turn if you don't tell people where you have turned to. If you are defending the policy by saying there will be a cap on costs, the only thing that matters is what that cap is.
She's got an interview with Andrew Neil tonight, I imagine they're scrambling to set a figure in time for that.
They forgot/didn't have room for the self-employed national insurance rise in that list.
If you can, watch this press conference
It's amazing, she is a complete mess
It's amazing, she is a complete mess
She even said the principles of the policy remain the same. That is a quote you'll see a lot in the next few weeks.
You can also add another uncosted element to their manifesto. Strong and stable.
The lady's all for turning.
But, when it comes to leaders debate, not for turning up.
So the policy is still a dementia tax, but it now has an uncosted cap (on what was an already uncosted manifesto).
What a complete shitshow of a u-turn
Anyone have a schedule for upcoming debates/questions for the leaders?
They'll still find a way to spin this as a positive for May
For years we the voter would periodically complain about how similar the parties were becoming, yet now we've got clear blue water i'm not so sure. Objectively, the scale and intend to Labour's spending concerns me in particular. Brexit, UK debt, another financial crisis originating on the continent...we could end up overreaching when caution would be advisable. The uni tuition thing strikes me as such a misdirected and costly gimmick (the equivalent of four Trident replacements over a similar timeframe).
This sort of situation arises with some regularity though, from the Falklands to drone warfare and Islamic State. It leaves a lingering impression with voters, one unfavourable to outcomes you'd imagine. And given Corbyn's propensity to equivocate on unwelcome foreign policy questions, i think the reporters was right to seek a clear statement from him. The alternative is to wade through five minutes for Thornberry-esque BS.
If there's a cap in that range then it won't really be a dementia tax.
How so? It still places the burden of the cost of social care on those who need it (eg dementia sufferers) rather than pooling the cost like the NHS. Or have I missed something? As I read it, they have just put a cap on the amount of 'dementia tax' one could pay.
Yeah not a great attempt
Is this Cameron's legacy? Him looking like he wanted to lose in 2015 but unexpectedly winning has set the tone and now the Tories think that's the way to go?
If the don't have some specifics, they've learnt nothing from this mess. There should have been a cap to begin with, morally and politically. This talk of a dementia tax though and the vigour with which some have pursued it, has been rather shameful IMO. Similar programmes are already in effect at the local level, enacted by Labour and Tory councils every week.
Good point, well made. Now back to Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser.
Theresa Maybe's uncosted manifesto smallprint: Please see green paper to be produced tomorrow (or the next day... or sometime).
Great reporting from the torygraph today
'Brexit virus' caused by EU sausages causes 60,000 Britons to fall ill annually
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-sausages-causes-60000-britons-fall-annually/
'Brexit virus' caused by EU sausages causes 60,000 Britons to fall ill annually
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-sausages-causes-60000-britons-fall-annually/
Would you have remained steadfastly loyal to the reprehensible StW over two decades? Why shouldn't people wonder about Corbyn as a result? He's even had the audacity to accept Andrew Murray on his election staff.
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It's basically just the higher Dilnot proposal (I'm pretty sure Corbyn has endorsed the lower 35k figure?) but with a higher bottom level of 100k. "Dementia tax" had potency when you could end up spending hundreds of thousands because of it. The cap element negates that. But the problem is, they haven't budgeted for it at all.
Going to be very interesting to see if the fundamentals on approval, best PM and economic credibility change on this, because it gets at all three.
Well sort of, although until we have a ballpark on the potential cap it is a completely meaningless U-Turn (except, as you say, the damage to credibility). I mean for all we know the cap could be 100s of thousands.
This is actually a good idea
Yeah that's true, can you picture the absolute state of CCHQ right now trying to figure out what's acceptable to their voters and what figure on their budget they can blag
Wasn't planning on watching these Andrew Neil interviews but tonight's may be amazing.
Trouble is that would be a rival power base, those three in particular.
And it requires them to say yes.
My bet on Corbyn is going well. Put £500 down last night and £571 to cashout already. Holding out for 100 quid. Just need Jezza to keep his mouth shut for about 24 hours and I'm sorted!
Edit: Just cashed it out for £116 profit. Cheers Jezza!
Edit: Just cashed it out for £116 profit. Cheers Jezza!
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And where's that money coming from, Labour's money tree or further borrowing? The rise in private car firms suggests that you'll need a lot to even bring it up to an acceptable standard.
That's fantastic work
Tory campaign has been so poor. Frustrates me so much how there's been no opposition to their Brexit position since the referendum. They clearly have no conviction in their positions - if you attack them in a way that highlights how they hurt the 'average man' (as opposed to the benefit class/ immigrants, alas) they seem to fall apart.
Corbyn has run a good campaign. He's doing better in the polls then most people assumed, he's winning back a lot of the Green/ Lib Dem voters that his original leadership campaign said he would. But his performance on Brexit has been appalling, and a stronger Labour leader likely would have been the difference between leave and remain. I shouldn't expect someone so opposed to capitalism to be the final saviour of the world's largest free trade block, but I can't help but see it as such an avoidable catastrophe.
Yours,
A bitter remoaner
Corbyn has run a good campaign. He's doing better in the polls then most people assumed, he's winning back a lot of the Green/ Lib Dem voters that his original leadership campaign said he would. But his performance on Brexit has been appalling, and a stronger Labour leader likely would have been the difference between leave and remain. I shouldn't expect someone so opposed to capitalism to be the final saviour of the world's largest free trade block, but I can't help but see it as such an avoidable catastrophe.
Yours,
A bitter remoaner