What would you propose as a good style of OP that tells you how the side will play?
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it doesnt have to be anything special but just so people can imagine how the team dynamics would work.
3 options that come to mind:
a) full remake - basically you dont have to say anything and we go with the original team dynamics(obviously if you use some obscure team then post something about them)
b) remake with your own touch - just add the changes into OP
c) your own stuff - explain how team defends, how attacks, individual roles etc.
I used to spend time writing OPs but eventually found it not worth it. Not everyone reads it and it feels more simpler to have details out in the debate. Problem is not every thread has debates. Not a fan of punishments.
Yeah I was lazy as feck to be honest, but it is mainly due to people not bothering reading them or just ignoring what is in them and making their own decisions about how your side will function.
I think a template should probably be used and everyone has to submit using the same template. Should make it more uniform across the board
Well this is kind of what I have in mind. I’d prefer option a or b because c is usually hypothetical vague nonsense.
Having said that, I understand the pain in writing so much and submitting such a lengthy OP because matches are the most boring part of drafts and time constraints are a problem as well.
This was part of what became so frustrating for me, you would put the most effort into the OP, trying to get the visualisation correct and someone would just say "he looks too far back according to that grpahic" or "such and such would just play like this ..." like professional footballers at the very peak of the game wouldn't be able to listen to instruction.
Well you got me curious where are those stats?
Also why are you getting so agressive and insecure? No one brought up Messi but you, i just shared what i deemed to be valuable information on Maradona.
Am not aggressive mate, but when you feck me in polite way...
Which is not hard to understand that Messi answer trigger you. Here is the stat of your king.
GOAT
Feck him and that abomination of a team!!
I’m agressive man in Southern-Thailand’s way.
just kidding
just kidding
Anyone looked at this before? 50 years of World Cup doppelgangers. It's a database of every players performance in various areas from 66-2018, and a selection of other players with the most similar performance. Some of the labels they end up giving players are dubious, but i found it quite entertaining.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/world-cup-comparisons/anatoli-demyanenko-1982/
no surprises my man Demyanenko's 82 performance is almost identical to Cafu's 98.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/world-cup-comparisons/anatoli-demyanenko-1982/
no surprises my man Demyanenko's 82 performance is almost identical to Cafu's 98.
Wow, that looks amazing.
Wowww…..I really love it
Yes i'm familiar with that website, the numbers are provided by Opta. Its the only source of reliable data for players who played before the 2000's even if the sample size is small.
Brilliant acronym by the way
FiveThirtyEight's Modeled Event Soccer Similarity Index (MESSI) is a system that evaluates and compares player performances across 16 metrics.
FiveThirtyEight's Modeled Event Soccer Similarity Index (MESSI) is a system that evaluates and compares player performances across 16 metrics.
Am I the only one who seems to enjoy draft football more than this depressing real world football?
why? you have a chance from first hand to witness the greatness
**** was a rugged, physical, and ruthless player, but had the technical skills to go with his stamina and strong tackling. He played as an central midfielder in the old-fashioned 422 system: a position roughly equivalent to the defensive central midfield position of today. As such he would mark the opposing false 9 when his team were defending, but would be the main midfield playmaker when his team were on the attack, due to his passing and creativity, which enabled him to start attacking plays after winning back the ball.
Considering that you're the one who'se been throwing a tantrum, while no one talked about Messi in the first place should give you a clue on who is getting triggered in this conversation.
This documentary is a mythical situation between Maradona and Passarella during World Cup 1986 , the clash of "Capitan", both of them was/is known for being an alpha male. They fought for a captain armband. I'm really sure one thing, the situation in documentary isn't correct 100 percents for sure but it's based on a lot of true stories.
I will spoil a little bit of this episode. Maradona and Batista were on drugs and another one Passarella slept with Tarantini's wife.
Biographical drama isn't a documentary though. There's a fine line and it's way beyond it.
Tarantini covered for Passarella on the left side of the pitch.
Passarella covered for Tarantini on the right side of the bed.
Even.
In fact, if he really did like he did in this clip, Passarella would easily kill him. Don’t mess with Kaiser.
We should have a score maintained across drafts starting now.
Basically -
R1 exit - 0 points
QF exit - 1 point
SF exit - 2 points
Runners up - 4 points
Winner - 8 points
Basically -
R1 exit - 0 points
QF exit - 1 point
SF exit - 2 points
Runners up - 4 points
Winner - 8 points
good idea, the less points you have the more benefits you get in future drafts? Choosing a place in draft order and similar stuff
A small quality of life improvement for future drafts should be that managers thay have already advanced shouldn't be allowed to vote in current round games.
So the last game of R1 will have only neutral votes? We might actually have our first 0-0 draft game
Edit: Brain fart, just realized the losers can still vote, but don't think its a good idea. We don't exactly have riches w.r.t voting numbers of debate participants.
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how can anyone watch city vs/and liverpool and then build a team with 2 or 3 passengers is beyond me, pisstake of the highest order
Agree and agree /appreciate for both sides
It's a good day for fans of mercurial, lazy wasted midfield talents from the 90s...FZ has reached Lajos Detari and Igor Shalimov for his Serie A all-goals compilation series.
Skip to 00:25 in case timestamp isn't going to work. What a ridiculous, ridiculous goal, I literally haven't seen anything similar in all of my time watching football.
That is quite something and yeah, absolutely ridiculous
Scorpion goal from Mkhihtaryan comes to mind immediately, but this one is still quite different as he uses his arms to elevate the kick with his foot (or both feet am not sure and I watched it for 10 times I think).
Scorpion goal from Mkhihtaryan comes to mind immediately, but this one is still quite different as he uses his arms to elevate the kick with his foot (or both feet am not sure and I watched it for 10 times I think).
Old Zico did scorpion kick in Japan, what a beautiful goal.
Dont really want to be involved into debate where Van Dijk ranks on the overall standings of centerbacks but what im interested is to hear opinions where does he rank as a high line centerback?
Anyone that watches old games will know that offside calling was beyond shocking back in the day, defenders only need to start moving up and morons will flag offside while current crop has to be correct into a millisecond or they are fecked.
So while you have someone like Baresi who played a lot in a high line, he had it so much easier. Baresi is a better CB overall but in a high line specific scenario id give Van Dijk the edge and probably have him as the GOAT of the high line defence.
Anyone that watches old games will know that offside calling was beyond shocking back in the day, defenders only need to start moving up and morons will flag offside while current crop has to be correct into a millisecond or they are fecked.
So while you have someone like Baresi who played a lot in a high line, he had it so much easier. Baresi is a better CB overall but in a high line specific scenario id give Van Dijk the edge and probably have him as the GOAT of the high line defence.
It's hard to say because there isn't a big pool of centre-backs who have either played super high or who played under the modern offside rule. Pre-Sacchi most teams weren't particularly compact, unless they sat deep. The only exceptions off the top of my head would be Hansen's Liverpool, and maybe Kyiv and Holland. So that rules out a lot of great defenders from the debate. I think the change to the offside rule between passive and active players came into force around '94 (the Bebeto/Romario goal against Holland at the WC being the first high profile example) so Baresi would have been exposed to some of that at the end of his career. Post-94 none of the great Italian defences positioned themselves that high, so that again rules out a few contenders. Stam and De Boer were probably the most noticeable exponents towards the end of the 90s. It's not really until Pep came along that more elite teams defended regularly on the half-way line. That throws Pique, Puyol, Boateng, Ramos, Silva and Varane into the conversation, and Van Dijk certainly stands at the top of that group.
Those are the only guys who were really proven and performed in high-line game scenarios. But equally I think the greatest defenders who weren't as proven in such a system, but still stood out for their genius in reading the game and for defending the space in behind, could do a great job too. I reckon Moore, Figueroa, Beckenbauer and Passarella would have all had the nous and proactive instincts to pull it off.
Those are the only guys who were really proven and performed in high-line game scenarios. But equally I think the greatest defenders who weren't as proven in such a system, but still stood out for their genius in reading the game and for defending the space in behind, could do a great job too. I reckon Moore, Figueroa, Beckenbauer and Passarella would have all had the nous and proactive instincts to pull it off.
Passarella had played in Menotti’s gung ho 4-3-3 system, which was probably very offensive-minded tactics. Menotti was a very modern technician or you could say he was ahead of his time pressing, very direct and offensive instinct were part of his tactics. He usually used offside-control in his defensive tactics(which was opposite to Bilardo) and Passarella despite being a libero, he was a commander and leader of his defensive line in back4. He would be suited in today game for sure.
Outside of Maldini, this guy is the definition of my ideal left-back. A complete defender without any significant weakness. He would dominate in any era especially in this era which offensive-contributions are very important from fullbacks. Flawless in both attacking and defending phase(he is one of the best in this department).