General CE Chat

1- Dont play dumb on what is a rethorical proval question

2- See number 1

3- Calling all the studies that supports the gap (between counterparts not, because part time BS and holidays compared with full time that make no sense) between gender, BS is what it makes you a sexist. And trying to prove it with just 1 article with the vast amount of studies against, is what it makes your "questioning the extend of it" a recurrent argument for racist and sexist.

4- Insisting in the most intrascendent pathetic facts that you wrote I find it stupid but it amuses me. So I go for it. I am saying that with plain skills and quality, you can play NBA from 1.60 to over 2.30 meters. While in professional football you will not see anyone over 2 meters (that odd exception) and they will be goalies the ones that are more close to the 2 meters. and you will not see shorter players than 1.60. Therefore, in terms of height and as a FACT, NBA is more inclusive on terms of height than football.


5-Yes you did, you cherry picked small facts (that made no sense by the way) and that odd article to proof a point that does not exist. You did a Pastafari argument like global warming is caused by the disappearence of pirates because is when the two events started/ended at the same time. A BS argument. But in case of the pastafarism is to laugh at that kind of arguments



You can keep telling me (and others that) it will not change the truth. Like your microfacts
 
Peyroteo said:
I didn't make a joke about black people. I was making an example to try to explain myself more clearly.
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A racist example

And I didn't say I didn't believe how racist people are in 2018, I was questioning how much racism is present in american society and how can we be sure of it.
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We're sure of it because people like you don't think what you said and don't think people around you are racist.

I wasn't trolling, I was explaining what racism is since a lot of people here weren't clearly don't understand it or care to understand it and it somehow ended up with me getting called a troll, a defender of racism and a straight up racist. So yeah, I'll just leave, waste of time to try to discuss things with people like this.
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You offered a textbook/dictionary definition of racism when we all know it's a lot more than it says in a book.
 
4bars said:
Are you for real?

Ill bite

Are african americans in a different socioeconomic group because they decided to be poor or because there is people like the president of the united states that put a C (of coulor) in their housing request as it could happen in a CV when looking for a job (as it happened in a case in France) and without a physical mark but because of racism that permeate all levels of society?

Do african americans get pulled over more often because they speed more often because the police can´t see if they are white or black, or when they realize they are black they are less lenient with the tickets they issue?

https://qz.com/953583/new-research-shows-racial-bias-is-often-about-who-the-police-go-easy-on/

Do women earn less in average because of sexism? or you don´t have fecking idea what average means when you speak about part time BS and the comparison is always about counterparties and not between a barista or a CEO therefore you have no fecking idea of the studies?

There is height discrimination in the NBA when they had players from 5´3 to 7´7 (both first round pick and played in the XXI century) or is the Premier to have currently 5´4 to 6´8?

You could add at your list:

"Are women discriminated in bank semens because sexism or because they don´t have a penis and testicles"
"Are black discriminated to play naked hide and seek on a dark pitch night because racism or because his tone of skin (is not fair)"
"Are you making this stupid facts because you are plain racist or because you are plain dumb"? Or both?

go back to your cave
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just a tweet from the clockwork orange and the thread is back on track to rail us all up
 
Much as i love to be back in the 90's or the Obama years, i can't actually recall... was there this much daily news of political goings ons? i cant ever recall hearing this much news on the political side on such a daily if not hourly basis.
 
Precaution said:
Much as i love to be back in the 90's or the Obama years, i can't actually recall... was there this much daily news of political goings ons? i cant ever recall hearing this much news on the political side on such a daily if not hourly basis.
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If this is politics. More like a circus
 
Precaution said:
Much as i love to be back in the 90's or the Obama years, i can't actually recall... was there this much daily news of political goings ons? i cant ever recall hearing this much news on the political side on such a daily if not hourly basis.
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No, politics is boring as it is supposed to be.
Nobody in Washington can wait for this orangegutan to feck off before he inevitably turns this whole thing into an irreversible farce. And the damage may be enough already.
 
Precaution said:
Much as i love to be back in the 90's or the Obama years, i can't actually recall... was there this much daily news of political goings ons? i cant ever recall hearing this much news on the political side on such a daily if not hourly basis.
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The 24 hours newscycle wasn't there during the 90s.

Political coverage of Obama was pretty constant up until the shutdown in 2011, if anything the constant fearmongering and paranoia from Fox was even more than what we have currently, but it reverted to a degree of normalcy after that, until the Cheeto arrived.
 
Peyroteo said:
You're disgusting and I shouldn't even bother to answer your stupidity.



Yeah african americans are poor because all business owners all over Americaare racists that are refusing to give them jobs. Are you out of your fecking mind? My whole point was that there were individual cases of racism but it's tough to know the exact extent of it in a society. Most of those numbers you read that intend to show minorities are being discriminated usually have other factors in play which makes knowing the extent of racism pretty hard. That of course doesn't mean racism does not exist, of course it does. To a lesser extent than ever before but it's still very much a problem.

I was questioning the extent of it, not its existence.

As Heather Mac Donald writes in her book The War On Cops: How the New Attack On Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe, the Department of Justice tries to assert that racial bias in the Ferguson Police Department was inherent in the fact that blacks consisted of 85 percent of all traffic stops between 2012-2014, despite only being 67 percent of the city's residents, while whites consisted of 15 percent of all traffic stops while being 29 percent of the city's residents

That's exactly the question I was asking. Of course some cops are racist against minorities, but how many is the question.
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I don't think you get it at all: even if it is true that black people are more likely to commit a crime than white people, using race, i.e. racial profiling, as a predictor of likelihood to commit a crime is racist because it discriminates against black people. For a start, it means disproportionately more innocent black people are treated as suspects than white people. It also means police disproportionately catch more black criminals than they do white ones because they concentrate more efforts on black people. The latter outcome would then then have the vicious circle effect of increasing the probability that black people are considered criminals as more of them would be convicted criminals.

Ask yourself this: do you think black people are naturally more likely to have a criminal mindset than whites? If this is true, why is it that many African countries with majority black populations have virtually no violent crime? Could it be that, besides socio-economic deprivation, historical discrimination in the US has established a distrust and disregard for the law in the US?

I don't think you have thought through your arguments at all.

Sorry, mods, for the off-topic rant!
 
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RedChip said:
I don't think you get it at all: even if it is true that black people are more likely to commit a crime than white people, using race, i.e. racial profiling, as a predictor of likelihood to commit a crime is racist because it discriminates against black people. For a start, it means disproportionately more innocent black people are treated as suspects than white people. It also means police disproportionately catch more black criminals than they do white ones because they concentrate more efforts on black people. The latter outcome would then then have the vicious circle effect of increasing the probability that black people are considered criminals as more of them would be convicted criminals.

Ask yourself this: do you think black people are naturally more likely to have a criminal mindset than whites? If this is true, why is it that many African countries with majority black populations have virtually no violent crime? Could it be that, besides socio-economic deprivation, historical discrimination in the US has established a distrust and disregard for the law in the US?

I don't think you have thought through your arguments at all.

Sorry, mods, for the off-topic rant!
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Take it elsewhere, jojojo has just laid down the rules in the post above you, no need to ignore that and drag it off topic again. There’s plenty of relevant threads this discussion could be continued in and if you can’t find one, make your own.
 
Pexbo said:
Take it elsewhere, jojojo has just laid down the rules in the post above you, no need to ignore that and drag it off topic again. There’s plenty of relevant threads this discussion could be continued in and if you can’t find one, make your own.
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Yes, sir!

I was replying to an earlier post on the previous page and didn't see that warning until after I had posted.
 
So this site paywallnews.com provides access to pay wall articles from the NY Times, WaPo, FT, WSJ and other (link actually only works for me with the Times, no idea what's up there). Now the Times are not happy about that.

https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founders-domain-service-mocks-ny-times-legal-threats-180125/

When The New York Times discovered that a site was sharing copies of their articles without permission, it demanded the associated domain registration service to identify the owner. While some companies may be eager to comply, Njalla is not. The anonymous registration service replied with some unusual responses instead, reminiscent of TPB's infamous 'legal threats' section.
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On the pirate side there is this guy Njalla that wrote them back which imo is a good read for anyone interested on the piracy subject.

https://njal.la/blog/about-those-threats/
 
I remember that legal threats section on TPB. Some very funny responses to various threats.

Also, paywallnews.com added to bookmarks. Thanks.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...bigotry?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

In the subsequent court submissions we see the critical notes of his editor, Mitchell Ivers. Yiannopoulos argues: “Given my penchant for black denizens of the dark continent I can’t be accused of being racist … I’m the left’s worst nightmare.” Ivers replies: “Having sex with black people does not prove someone is [not] racist.” Elsewhere the editor demands: “Delete irrelevant and superfluous ethnic joke.”

In a section on feminism, Ivers says: “Don’t start chapter with accusation that feminists = fat.” Tellingly, he adds: “It destroys any seriousness of purpose.”

When the notes were made public, some liberals hailed them as evidence of Yiannopoulos’s shallow thinking. But they actually lay bare a far more sinister process. Simon & Schuster knew who he was when it signed him. Ivers’ job was to get him into shape, to coach him in how to make his racism and misogyny palatable. What we see in those notes is the strenuous, and ultimately doomed, effort to lend Yiannopoulos’s bigotry gravity; to extract from the dung heap of his hateful worldview “the seriousness of [his] purpose”; to locate the boundaries of acceptable prejudice so that those borders can be more effectively breached. He was not just an editor but an enabler.

This is the electoral challenge of the extreme right in the west: to find a plausible balance between how racist it actually is, in its policies, and how racist it can appear to be in its pronouncements. Its raison d’etre is to promote and project a mythical sense of national and racial purity; its conundrum is how to simultaneously attract racists and xenophobes to that project while denouncing racism and xenophobia. In short, to deny any connection between its agenda and the intended effect.
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Meanwhile, hate crimes against Muslims and refugees are on the rise in Germany; and against African Americans, Jews and Muslims in the US. Hate crimes in the UK leapt 29% last year.

These parties often look ridiculous. Bolton is Ukip’s sixth leader in 15 months (two of those have been Farage). Trump is a buffoon. This week an AfD executive member in the state of Brandenburg converted to Islam. The party’s website states: “Islam does not belong in Germany.”

The trouble is they are also incredibly effective. They won the Brexit referendum; Trump is in the Oval Office; the Front National made the presidential runoffs again; the AfD became the third largest party in Germany.

“We are what we pretend to be,” said the late novelist Kurt Vonnegut. “So we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” For too long we have pretended we are tolerant societies in which racism is not a system of oppression but the marginal obsession of the uncouth. In reality we have simply become more sophisticated about our prejudices. We have plenty of racism, but apparently very few racists.
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Also, that Kurt Vonnegut line is in my head a plug for Mother Night, a brilliant novel by him which goes into that theme pretty deeply.
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...bigotry?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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For too long we have pretended we are tolerant societies in which racism is not a system of oppression but the marginal obsession of the uncouth. In reality we have simply become more sophisticated about our prejudices. We have plenty of racism, but apparently very few racists.
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Important insight... It can be seen every day, if one starts to understand how it works.
 
Increasing Minimum Wages Does More to Reduce Recidivism Than Prisoner Reentry Programs

Exploiting the various state and year variation in minimum wages over our time period, we find that an 8% increase in the minimum wage (the average increase over our time period) corresponds to a 2% decrease in the probability an individual returns to prison within one year over the average, with no discernible difference in effect for men or women. That is, the increased incentive to substitute legal employment for criminal market activity, on net, appears to be greater than any employment effects of reduced labor demand resultant of minimum wage market distortions. While our results are agnostic regarding the debates over the magnitudes of the employment effects of minimum wages, they do serve as evidence that wage effects, on balance, dominate employment effects in the decisions made by would- be recidivists. This suggests that the wages of criminal market activity are greater than those that can be expected by ex-offenders in the legal market for low-skilled labor.
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These reductions in re-convictions are observed for the potentially revenue generating crime categories of property and drug crimes; prison reentry for violent crimes are unchanged, supporting our framing that minimum wages affect crime that serves as a source of income.
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https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/201...uce-recidivism-prisoner-reentry-programs.html
 
So today I found myself going down a rabbit hole of YouTube videos. Highlights of past Super Bowls led to videos of old news broadcasts. This led me to watching several hours of the original CNN broadcast of the night Desert Storm began.

It made me sad when I looked back at how unuse to the military terms, weapons, strategy, even just being at war everyone (the news media, average citizens, etc) was back then.
 
I knew that the Fruit Company literally ran all the politics and jobs in some parts of Colombia and that they killed workers who tried to strike, and that Colombia and the US backed them in this. I did not know how open it was

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A Wristband to Track Workers’ Hand Movements? (Amazon Has Patents for It)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/technology/amazon-wristband-tracking-privacy.html

Current and former Amazon employees said the company already used similar tracking technology in its warehouses and said they would not be surprised if it put the patents into practice.

Max Crawford, a former Amazon warehouse worker in Britain, said in a phone interview, “After a year working on the floor, I felt like I had become a version of the robots I was working with.”

He described having to process hundreds of items in an hour — a pace so extreme that one day, he said, he fell over from dizziness.

“There was no time to go to the loo,” he said, using the British slang for toilet. “You had to process the items in seconds and then move on. If you didn’t meet targets, you were fired.”

He worked back and forth at two Amazon warehouses for more than two years and then quit in 2015 because of health concerns, he said: “I got burned out.”

Mr. Crawford agreed that the wristbands might save some time and labor, but he said the tracking was “stalkerish” and feared that workers might be unfairly scrutinized if their hands were found to be “in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

“They want to turn people into machines,” he said. “The robotic technology isn’t up to scratch yet, so until it is, they will use human robots.”
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GiddyUp said:
Trump exposes nothing but his own stupidity. My issue with this is that you're thinking is part of the problem as you are not picking you're fights. More often then not when someone posts an example of something from Trump or the Republican Party that makes our collective jaws drop you immediately step in with some whataboutism and post some right wing blog or article about how Hillary is a bitch, Obama is a murderer and the Dems are worse than the Putin regime.
You are on a constant attack against what you sometimes mention is you're side. Trump and his cuntery is well documented at this stage but like a good trumpite you continue to attack Hillary and Obama, who are kind of irrelevant right now.
Be honest with yourself and realize that America will never be this left wing paradise you crave. Money and corruption is too ingrained in the system, has been for over a hundred years. That along with a large part of the population that don't give a shit and one party in a two party system have set up their stall with dumb and bigoted people so as to make as much wealth for a minuscule but powerful percentage of the population.
By the way, Victor Meldrew was a character on a comedy show who was pissed off at everything, he found anger in everything even though good things were happening around him.
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This is a fair post. Although I respect e)boue's position I don't see the end game.
 
Eboue said:
Excellent. They are murders too. Now we're getting somewhere.
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The point you make is somewhat naive and a bit childish. You should be campaigning for the reduction of war-conducting powers available to the Office of the POTUS. Because with the power, they were within their authority to do it.
 
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