This is a fair point but to me getting the 'result' wrong is the same as criticising us under OGS and not pointing the finger at the manager.
When the conclusion is so off, the point is mute or very much discounted.
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When the conclusion is so off, the point is mute or very much discounted.
Maguire is red if their ever was one
Yeah, you can nitpick how some players are categorized, but the sheer amount of signings in the bad end of the scale is really damning.
I do find it pretty funny that Maguire is somehow only amber, whereas the likes of Martial and Mata are red. Couldn't possibly be related to him being English.
I do find it pretty funny that Maguire is somehow only amber, whereas the likes of Martial and Mata are red. Couldn't possibly be related to him being English.
This is when the problems become terminal. Good players won't come no matter the money on offer because playing for us is a nightmare of humiliation. Relegation actually becomes a real possibility.
In 2020 we had 1.35 million Americans watching the United vs. City game. I think your numbers are way off, although it's hard to gauge accurately. Maybe those 2020 viewers have grown, but even doubling or tripling the fans would still put it at just under 4 million.
https://worldsoccertalk.com/2020/03...st-watched-premier-league-game-ever-on-us-tv/
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Shame they were forced to do it on such a minuscule budget, too. I heard they hosted bake sales to raise those funds.
@Duafc , are you guys getting paid?
Yeah it sounded a lot to me too, but that’s what was claimed as part of our global fan base.
Still I find it shocking when people back Fred.
What a pointless exercise this is, don't know what this supposed to show. Our transfers have been shite, doesn't take a list to establish that.
Might be a little harsh on Mata Blind and even Martial marginally, but it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Might be a little harsh on Mata Blind and even Martial marginally, but it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
I’m not sure what your point is? They’ve not really spent anything more than we would.
They signed Guimaraes for £35m and immediately have a midfielder better than anything we’ve had for years now.
"Special measures"! 
You don't get much for £1.25B these days, do you? Wow.
You don't get much for £1.25B these days, do you? Wow.
Shitloads
Drinks on @Duafc!! (defaults to "deaf" if I don't tag it)
You can disagree with some of the placings. I certainly do. Herrera should be in green. Maguire in should be in red. Mata, Fellaini and Blind(and possibly a few more) should be in amber. The jury is still out on Sancho and Varane, so it's harsh to put them in red.
But you can't argue with their overall point. Even if we make the adjustments I wrote above, around 60% of our signings are still complete failures. This is actually not that far from normality, though. Signings at the top level are more or less a coin flip.
The biggest issue is how less than 10% of our signings are good(green). Even if we bump Herrera up to green then that's just 3 green signings in 9 years. And one of them(Zlatan) was 35 years old. This is the biggest tragedy.
Red is better viewed as;
- Would you pay the same amount of money again for that player if you got identical performances from them.
Mata? No. Martial? Never in a million years. The reds are completely justified when viewed that way. Only argument I could have would be Blind. I’d have him as Green. Cheap, did everything we needed him to. Sold for healthy money when not wanted.
Maguire is the most expensive defender of all time. Amber is ridiculous.
Like Rangnick said you simply have to get recruitment right to succeed. It doesn’t matter how much money you throw at it your hit rate must far exceed the fails.
The Glazers own the club and are responsible for how it operates.
Its beggars belief how anyone can try and absolve them of responsibility.
The Glazers own the club and are responsible for how it operates.
Its beggars belief how anyone can try and absolve them of responsibility.
Fellaini is an amber for me. We'd be 10 years trophyless without his contributions.
On the "But they spent money" argument, it is true that they have spent large amounts and the club management have been super crap in spending it the way they have. From our CEO to the scouts and negotiation teams, we are hugely incompetent in buying and selling. So there is an argument that the money spent has been wasted. The money we spent is more than enough to come up with acompetitive team and a competitive manager.
Having said that, the buck stops with the Glazers, because everyone at the club are their employees. So they are answerable and directly responsible for the quality of the staff.
The main problem with Glazers is that they don't seem to care much about football. They don't even seem to be good at business, because it is unbelievable that they don't see the need to employ good employees to get good output. Or maybe the output they are looking for (money) is flowing well.
Having said that, the buck stops with the Glazers, because everyone at the club are their employees. So they are answerable and directly responsible for the quality of the staff.
The main problem with Glazers is that they don't seem to care much about football. They don't even seem to be good at business, because it is unbelievable that they don't see the need to employ good employees to get good output. Or maybe the output they are looking for (money) is flowing well.
They were born into wealth. I dont think they appreciate the value of loss
I will never rate Neville again for allowing Jamie bloody Redknapp to speak to him in that way.
I dont care what he said to that idiot in private ( if anything ), he should have come right out and said " dont you ever talk to me like that again you bloody imbecile "
I dont care what he said to that idiot in private ( if anything ), he should have come right out and said " dont you ever talk to me like that again you bloody imbecile "
Could someone link the article without paywall if that’s possible, really want to read it.
I can't bring myself to say that... I can't... oh hell: nothing we didn't already know but not wrong
Carragher has often spoken sense during the downfall of Man Utd and many times sounds like he actually cares about the club…
I think any football fan who actually cares about the PL and English football wants the Glazers removed from our league. What they’ve done is criminal.
I have no respect whatsoever for any rival fan that at this point sneers at Utd’s situation. It shows a complete lack of class imo.
If this was being done to Liverpool or City I would genuinely want the owners out, as it’s immoral ownership and has no place in the game.
That said, I identify as a football fan in general, rather than as a fan of any specific club (though I loathe Liverpool).
He was asked is he getting excited after tonight and replies “This is Manchester United”
As he would say, ‘Liverpool were getting messed about like you wouldn’t believe’.
Stormzy being starstruck by Gary Neville and Roy Keane was quite funny.
Have to admit i wanted them to be rid of Hicks and Gillette. I was a bit surprised about it but didnt want to see them picked apart by vultures.
Legend!
Love the emotion from Gary.