If Celtic moved to the PL they would become a club many players would like to join. I reckon they would be top 6 after about 3 seasons.
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3 seasons sounds fair enough for top six, IMO. They'd need a quite substantial cash injection, though.
You've a serious feckin issue with the lads...dont ya?
They have Hooper, Stokes and Samaras up front. Wanyama (who I would love to see at United) and Brown in the engine room, with Kayal, Ledley and Commons to name a few more. A fantastic keeper who has proved his worth bucket loads. The likes of Izaguirre lurking at the backs with the addition of the support they have in that 60k+ Mansion.
Get a grip will ya and quit the whole 'I'm only tryna get a rise outta ya' rubbish haha. If they came to the premiership today and the season was just starting, taking everhthing into account.. .id have them top 8.
Top 8 is extremely generous, yes they'd end up in the top 8 in a couple of seasons but the best indication of where they'd be is where their former players have ended up and where they've arrived from.
Maloney - Wigan
Fox - Southampton
Caldwell- Wigan
Ki - Swansea
Wilson - Bristol City
O'Dea - Leeds
All had decent roles at Celtic.
Maloney - Wigan
Fox - Southampton
Caldwell- Wigan
Ki - Swansea
Wilson - Bristol City
O'Dea - Leeds
All had decent roles at Celtic.
Yeah, top 8. Just like Swansea.
Stokes was useless in England, Samaras as well. Ledley never really lived up to the early promise and was pretty average in the championship his last couple of years, and Commons spent his career between lower championship/upper end league one.
Of course they might have improved since then, but I think there is some overestimation of abilities going on here based on the past. Brilliant champions league performance granted, but then Anorthorsis Famagusta were excellent last year as well, and none of their players seem to have been cherrypicked by good sides.
I mean in general though Don not just cos Im Irish, I mean the big crowds every week, the atmosphere, you'd be winning trophies every year and you'd have a chance to play in the champions league.
The same Swansea who are on the verge of a cup final and play some fantastic football is it? A side that are still takimg babysteps after promotion and repeating last season exploits with vast changes at the club? Good comparison there kid. You are absolutly blindsided by your obvious hatred for Celtic. Its as simple as this... they have diehard fans with an amazing atmosphere in a packed out stadium. Their current squad is more than capable of finishing where I said and after 1 season with attendaces, tv revenue and Premier League bonuses...they would add to their sqaud and push on.
To comment on your ridiculous argument earlier..Celtic would be a much more mouthwatering prospect for continential footballers than Norwich. So stupid hahaha
Maloney is playing every week in the Premier League and doing a good job for a struggling side.Caldwell is captaining that side. Ki is not long at Swansea...give the boy time. O'Dea left Celtic because he couldnt get football. Wilson and fox..c'mon lad.
Besides..how in the feck is the best indication of this current Celtic crop taken from 6 former players? Where does that make sense? Were you trying to do the whole 'look at the interest their players generate?'.. one notable example, without going into too much, Mr Larsson.
Firstly, I dont hate Celtic, I just dont think they are as good as you do.
Secondly, you're laughing at my Swansea comment? The point I was making all along was that if Celtic were somehow magically thrust into the PL, without first having to earn their place like everyone else, then that is the level they would be at. I also added that if they wanted to go beyond that level, they'd need a serious cash injection. Do you think they'd go from having no money and a mediocre squad, at best, to the level of spurs, arsenal or everton or even liverpool, after one season?
Also, dont bore me with the fan base and stadium spiel that gets spouted in these arguments all the time, its so tedious. Just think Newcastle. Support is just as good, stadium, not far off, squad better, where are they?
While we're here, lets just go the whole hog and call a spade a spade. Scottish football never has and never will be considered a high caliber league. So in effect, Celtic have won maybe one major trophy in their history.
We wouldn't need a serious cash injection. Playing in the Sky Premier League is the cash injection. How do you think a team like Swansea can afford to pay 6m for a guy from Valencia like Pablo Hernandez? If we're equal with teams like that financially from just playing in the league then I think we'd be able to attract a higher quality of player than they could.
Everton are sitting 5th 3 points off 4th. They certainly aren't a bigger club than Celtic and Liverpool isn't a more attractive city than Glasgow for potential new players. Why couldn't we be at that level in the league with the same amount of money as everyone else?
Southampton just paid 12m for a player recently. If we were to do that in our league we'd find ourselves in deep shit pretty quickly.
Not really fussed how "major" our successes are deemed by certain fans either. I'd rather play in my own country and win trophies and all the joy that comes with that than play in a more luxurious league and celebrate finishing 10th every season. Still one more major trophy than elite teams like Arsenal by the way. And Swansea
After one season in the PL I certainly think Celtic would be in a position to add 3/4 very good players to their squad and with the prospect of playing in the PL, they wouldnt have to worry about losing the likes of Wanyama to the allure of PL football. So yes, I certainly think they would be on par with the Scouz clubs after a year of PL football. Not Spurs IMO..they have bags of cash to spend and a strong reputation within England at the moment. To just briefly address your hatred/non-hatred of celtic, you made two quick fire remarks to provo and an irish username yesterday and immediately retracted your comment when you realized this is a football forum.
Newcastle, for whatever reason are in turmoil this year. I have no idea whats happened em. Large scale iniuries probably a large part to play. Look at them last term though. You wouldnt have been using them in your argument then would ya? The Celric support is so good that even Messi commentes on it and hoped they reached the knockouts of the CL this year. It is a fantastic arena.
Whatever about the Scottish league not being considered remarkably good, numerous teams throughout the years have been very, very good. You only have to look at Aberdeen under our own SAF.
We wouldn't need a serious cash injection. Playing in the Sky Premier League is the cash injection. How do you think a team like Swansea can afford to pay 6m for a guy from Valencia like Pablo Hernandez? If we're equal with teams like that financially from just playing in the league then I think we'd be able to attract a higher quality of player than they could.
Everton are sitting 5th 3 points off 4th. They certainly aren't a bigger club than Celtic and Liverpool isn't a more attractive city than Glasgow for potential new players. Why couldn't we be at that level in the league with the same amount of money as everyone else?
Southampton just paid 12m for a player recently. If we were to do that in our league we'd find ourselves in deep shit pretty quickly.
Not really fussed how "major" our successes are deemed by certain fans either. I'd rather play in my own country and win trophies and all the joy that comes with that than play in a more luxurious league and celebrate finishing 10th every season. Still one more major trophy than elite teams like Arsenal by the way. And Swansea
Agree with this.
Right, now you are just full of complete and utter bollocks. After one season you'd be on a par with Liverpool and Everton?
Christ Almighty. When was the last time a club broke into and had a sustained run in the top six in the PL?
My point about Newcastle is that in the premiership they have always been considered a top club, have a big stadium amazing fans and lots of money yet their fortunes have been very mixed, at best.
And this thing of adding 3/4 very good players? Yeah, that's gonna cost you around 25mill, which I would call a big cash injection, as you certainly dont have it atm.
As I've already said about my comments to PM, they were in jest, I'm not repeating this to you again as you obviously weren't smart enough to grasp it first time around.
The other lads user name was irish'CELT',
now I know it might be a big leap for you, but to me connecting the dots between his username and some sort of affinity with Celtic wasnt very difficult.
Now this bit is important, so read it slowly and let it sink in. I dont hate Celtic. Got that? Good lad.
I'm really perplexed as to why you think a club, with no premiership experience, no money and only a half decent team, with no squad depth would break into the top six after one year. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
Norwich beat Bayern Munich (get in the net Jeremy Goss!) in the early nineties
One-off meetings mean nothing
We wouldn't need a serious cash injection. Playing in the Sky Premier League is the cash injection. How do you think a team like Swansea can afford to pay 6m for a guy from Valencia like Pablo Hernandez? If we're equal with teams like that financially from just playing in the league then I think we'd be able to attract a higher quality of player than they could.
Everton are sitting 5th 3 points off 4th. They certainly aren't a bigger club than Celtic and Liverpool isn't a more attractive city than Glasgow for potential new players. Why couldn't we be at that level in the league with the same amount of money as everyone else?
Southampton just paid 12m for a player recently. If we were to do that in our league we'd find ourselves in deep shit pretty quickly.
Not really fussed how "major" our successes are deemed by certain fans either. I'd rather play in my own country and win trophies and all the joy that comes with that than play in a more luxurious league and celebrate finishing 10th every season. Still one more major trophy than elite teams like Arsenal by the way. And Swansea
I thought you had a bit more sense that that other muppet but you are letting yourself down here.
I agree that Celtic could attract a higher quality of player than the likes of Swansea etc but for a little more quality, you'll pay a lot more money. You are in no way a bigger attraction than Liverpool and probably not Everton either and without having a big squad of stand out players, you have no hope of becoming a regular top six finisher.
No offence but stokes and samaras flopped in England. Ledley and commons weren't exactly top 6 players either.
What Celtic have is a good unit that play as a team. But you have a small squad nd little money. You would need a serious cash injection. I'd place you guys about 8 or 9th if you played PL
Hang on a mo, is this the guy that made a dick of himself with his sectarian comments in te CE? If so, he was banned for good. Leopards don't change their spots
If Celtic or Rangers got word they'd be allowed to compete in the Premier League I'd imagine they'd have a list of names to choose from when it comes to people etc willing to invest heavily in them. Spent wisely, a good manager at the helm and a top six spot in their 1st season doesn't sound all that unrealistic to me. Anythings possible in football.
Some major bias towards Celtic here, they really aren't that good. Got a few talented players and the rest are Championship quality/rejects.
Get a grip, it would take 4-5 years to make them competitive to hit the top 6 and a good chunk of investment.
Get a grip, it would take 4-5 years to make them competitive to hit the top 6 and a good chunk of investment.
What does decent roles mean? Caldwell apart the rest of these players were all surplus to requirments when sold so your point is seriously flawed. Plus the majority of them were nothing more than squad players in their time there. Thats like saying we should judge Man United with the standards of Gibson, P Neville, Howard etc etc (I'm being kind I could have said Miller, Diouf and Manucho) First few years Celtic imo would be no more than 10th and maybe even flirting with relegation. With there current squad but given the premier league sky money they would easily be top half within 3-4 seasons. And given fan base and location they should realistically break top 6. Rangers would be the same in post years and both in times gone bye had teams good enough for top 4 but not now.
That is a fair point but I think it would take more time and a very hefty investment. Just look at QPR.
Think your under rating that Norwich team to be fair but I get your point.
I know, that's why I said if the money was spent wisely and having a good manager running the show.
And Liverpool who spent £100M and never budged.
I'm probably talking about the wrong fella then, apologies.
It's perhaps not the best choice of players, but it's an example of where the current team would end up if there was any interest in them, bar probably Wanyama. I stand by my opinion that Celtic wouldn't have a chance of getting top 8 with that current squad, the Liverpool squad is better than Celtics by quite some distance and they struggle for top 8, Wanyama again is the only player with a chance of getting a look in for even the Scouse.
There's always been this gross over estimation of how good Celtic are, most probably due to their attempts at escaping the group stages every so often. They sit 11 points above Inverness who probably would be lucky to get promoted from the championship.
FWIW Don the Celt in my name wasnt celtic related it was just a play on the celtic people (with the kelt sound not selt sound).
I've always had a soft spot for them being Irish but aside from when they played us a few seasons back I hadnt seen much of them prior to this season.
I agree with your comments totally but you can see why the lad is defending his club.
I wonder how committed and dominant United would be this season in the league if for some reason City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs weren't there. The players only give a shit about the Champions League. They've admitted as much. I don't like the attitude personally but I can see why they're not going to give 100% in a meaningless SPL game 3 days before a match against teams like Barcelona and Juve. It's a moot point for me.
People seem to be missing the point about Celtic potentially playing in England. Yes, right now, you might think our squad is shite and would fail in England. Fact is, if we were playing in England we wouldn't have this squad would we? You've got to live within your means and we'll always build a squad good enough to win the SPL and challenge in the group stages of the CL to secure our future financially more than any realistic hopes of going far in the tournament.
The Don, I didn't say we're more attractive than Liverpool FC. I said Liverpool (as a city) is no more attractive to foreign players than Glasgow and with us being a bigger club than Everton and in this hypothetical world being as rich if not richer than them I really fail to see why we'd be a level below them in the Premier League both on and off the field.
As for Hooper, he was great today and I wouldn't be surprised if Norwich up their bid in the next few days.
So there is some connection then, no matter how tenuous?
You'd be below Everton because they are a better team, with a better manager, its that simple.
Nothing much besides youre average Irishman, they've had some good irish players down the years and have an irish manager now, I was happy to see them beat barca but most neutral fans were but I wouldnt call myself a "fan" of celtics.
Wait, you're confusing me now, do you like Celtic or not, yes or no?
So the average Irishman has some sort of affinity with Celtic, is that what you're implying?
So the average Irishman has some sort of affinity with Celtic, is that what you're implying?
I hope they do well in the champions league and that but I wouldnt tune in weekly to watch them. I did watch a few of their champions league games seeing as we qualified early.
As for the affinity I dont mean your average Irishman in general but your average Irishman interested in football likes seeing them do well as they often have a few Irish players on their books.
Yeah, that's cool. You like Celtic, you dont really follow them but you do have a soft spot. I was suggesting this is why you'd rather play for Celtic than a team like Norwich.
Sir Alex full of praise for Celtic and Gary Hooper
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...f-praise-for-celtic-and-gary-hooper-1-2760289
Hooper catches Ferguson's eye but Lennon not looking to sell
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport...s-eye-but-lennon-not-looking-to-sell.20021600
Sir Alex sure loves some Strikers.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...f-praise-for-celtic-and-gary-hooper-1-2760289
Hooper catches Ferguson's eye but Lennon not looking to sell
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport...s-eye-but-lennon-not-looking-to-sell.20021600
Sir Alex sure loves some Strikers.
He wouldn't get a single minute for us. We have 4 better forwards.
Better finisher than Welbeck, though...
Let the games begin.
Let the games begin.
Don't think we are in for him anyway.
He's not good enough to play for Manchester United, sorry.