No need of the boots. They'd give you a pair, and try you in a game.
Gary Hooper
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
No need of the boots. They'd give you a pair, and try you in a game.
Good game tonight, nice goal.
Top English scorer in the CL this season?
Has he ever played in the premier league before?
Deserves a crack at a club like sunderland etc
Deserves a crack at a club like sunderland etc
So Hughton was scouting him earlier on in the season and they have made a £5 million bid which has been rejected due to it being way under Celtics valuation of him. He only has a year and a half on his contract so it will be interesting to see where this goes as Norwich were also interested in Graham. Personally hope that Sunderland get Graham and Norwich get Hooper so we can see what he can do in the PL.
Any Celtic fan got an idea of how much you'd sell him for? In the region of 8-12 I'd have thought.
Any Celtic fan got an idea of how much you'd sell him for? In the region of 8-12 I'd have thought.
I don't think they stand much of a chance of getting that valuation if that contract length is accurate although he looks a good goalscorer.
Why would you want to leave a big club like celtic who for the foreseeable future will be a champions league team to join norwich a team who will be struggling in the premier league? He'd go from playing in front of 40-50,000 a week to 20-25,000
As a Celtic player you're going to get around 10 games of football at the highest level (Europe).
At Norwich you'd get at least 30+ games at the level below that (PL) and one which is a higher standard than the SPL. Plus, the PL gets you noticed much more than the SPL does. Heck, even the Championship gets you more noticed than the SPL in terms of the national team.
At Norwich you'd get at least 30+ games at the level below that (PL) and one which is a higher standard than the SPL. Plus, the PL gets you noticed much more than the SPL does. Heck, even the Championship gets you more noticed than the SPL in terms of the national team.
That's how much we would be looking for I think. The contract doesn't really help things though. He should sign a new contract and still leave in the summer so we get the best possible deal for him but that's unlikely.
He wants to enhance his England chances, apparently. He feels that scoring goals for a struggling team in the PL will help him break into the England squad despite it not having any impact on the international career of guys like Holt, Lambert and Graham. He's not the brightest to be fair.
He will probably get a nice pay rise too. It gives him a platform to launch himself in England though, it is highly unlikely that any Scottish based England player would break into the England squad at this point in time.
It is probably more enjoyable for a player these days to play for a lower level Premier League club than for one of the Scottish giants. In England you get to play in superior stadiums and against some of the best players in the world on a regular basis.
I can see the argument but Fraser Forster gets more attention and recognition now than he ever did playing in England. His heroics v Barcelona earned him respect in England and in European football. I don't think Hooper going down south and scoring about 10 goals a season will be enough to see him become a regular feature for England. For me it would make sense to stay at Celtic and do your best against Juventus and then you may attract better clubs which in turn will help your international hopes.
Yeah tbh I dont think it would help his england credentials much, I mean he'd get more attention but not much playing time. If he hasnt made strides into the national team at his age its unlikely he'd make it. Reminds me of a couple of years back and we (Ireland) offered Kevin Nolan the chance to play for us but he turned us down because he thought he had a chance of playing for england, still hasnt got an england cap and could've had 30 odd ireland caps under his belt by now and have played at an international tournament to boot. Fact is if youre outside the uniteds, chelseas, arsenals and citys of this world its very hard to become an established international star.
He will have the platform every single week in England. What if he gets injured before the Juve game, he would have to wait another year and hope that Celtic make it through their group.
The platform hasn't done much good to guys like Holt and Lambert who have been consistent in their goalscoring right through from the Championship to Premier League.
If you're going to leave go to a big club. Don't go to a mickey mouse team and find yourself back in the championship within two seasons all for the sake of a cliched perception and an extra 10 grand a week.
I think thats the thing, there is every chance they could get relegated this season or next, if it was someone like Liverpool or Everton then I'd say fairplay. But how would he feel say if he was in the championship next season and celtic were playing madrid or someone in that ilk at celtic park?
I get what you're saying but i don't think Lambert or Holt are the best examples given they are both 30+ and Hooper is 24. Maybe a bigger club is interested but doesn't want to take the risk until they see how he performs for a club like Norwich in the PL. I don't think they will be relegated this season, plus they seem to be a stable enough team that he'd get his chances.
Holt, Lambert and Graham??
Yeah. Ludicrous comparison wasn't it? I mean, one only plays for Norwich and has about as good a goalscoring record as possible for a team like Norwich...
Great point otherwise, mate.
It's possible but I doubt it. Even in the crazy world of the EPL they aren't stupid enough to hold the opinion of "never mind how he did against Barcelona and how he'll do against Juventus. It's all about his performance in the big Norwich v Wigan match".
He isn't that good where he's going to go down to England and just run amok. He'll score goals which is pretty much what his game is based on. Clubs don't need to see him play for Norwich to verify what kind of player he is and how good a player he is.
It doesn't matter if it's the SPL. That's fecking exquisite and if PL scouts would look at that and still doubt his ability because it happened to be in the SPL then that's sad.
£5m's a cheeky bid. I know Everton picked up Jelavic for about £6m but that was hastened by Rangers' financial situation. Similarly I'm not convinced he would gain much or be particularly successful by joining a lower-half Premiership team such as Norwich. A better fit would be a higher team which doesn't play with one-big-man-up-top* and creates enough chances for him to showcase his talented finishing.
*I've know idea how Norwich play but that's standard fare in the lower reaches of the Premiership.
*I've know idea how Norwich play but that's standard fare in the lower reaches of the Premiership.
Holt is a fat, 30+ old lower league clogger who has had 1 season of PL football where he did pretty well and was linked with an England call up but rightfully didn't earn it. He's completely unsuited to international football. It'd be such a ridiculously backwards for the England team.
Lambert has had 1 and half seasons of professional football above League One. I don't think anyone in their right mind would suggest calling him up to the England team. Like Holt he'd be completely unsuited to international football. Like Holt, he got promoted to the PL with his team. No other PL team would have looked twice at him!
You seem to have no sense of perspective at all. England have quality upfront in Rooney, strikers who have FAR more PL experience and better goalscoring pedigree in Defoe and Bent, good young strikers in Welbeck and Sturridge. If England for whatever reason did want a big target man then Crouch and Carroll are way above crap like Holt.
If Hooper thinks he's good enough for the national team then Norwich would be a better place for him than Celtic. The last English striker I remember to do well in Scotland was Chris Sutton at Celtic and he never got a look in for the national team despite playing for a very successful Celtic team under Martin O'Neill, which also contained Alan Thompson. His 1 cap made him the only English player to ever win a cap whilst playing for Celtic, despite him being that rare and mythical creature that England lacked during that period - a left midfielder! And that was when Celtic and the SPL wasn't complete and utter shit!
I don't rate Holt, Lambert or Graham as good enough for England... I brought them up because they're all proven goalscorers in the Championship and Premier League yet none of them get a look in internationally. Apparently scoring in the Championship gets you more recognition than scoring in the SPL and Europe.
Let's be honest here. Moving to Norwich isn't going to see Gary Hooper get into the England team. It's a massive step down in his career. Moving to someone like Spurs, Everton, Liverpool may well see him get into the England team but Norwich? Jesus.
Sutton was persona non grata after he rejected the 'B' team call-up in the 1990s.
I think the guy who suggested Championship players get a look in internationally was referring to Zaha. For a young player who is likely to move to a big club in the near future, a Championship player might get an England call up, but not someone in their late 20s who's scoring a few goals. None of the 3 you listed are truly proven in the PL.
Norwich could either be a stepping stone to a bigger PL club, or they could even establish themselves in the PL. Or, if he does extremely well, he could get a call up regardless.
At Celtic he's got no hope. See Chris Sutton and Alan Thompson for evidence of that.
Obviously it must hurt for a proud club like Celtic to have their best players poached by clubs like Norwich, but that's the reality of your situation really isn't it. The SPL is dross, even more so since Rangers dropped out.
Norwich could either be a stepping stone to a bigger PL club, or they could even establish themselves in the PL. Or, if he does extremely well, he could get a call up regardless.
At Celtic he's got no hope. See Chris Sutton and Alan Thompson for evidence of that.
Obviously it must hurt for a proud club like Celtic to have their best players poached by clubs like Norwich, but that's the reality of your situation really isn't it. The SPL is dross, even more so since Rangers dropped out.
Bit part players in England are given opportunities in the England squad compared to Hooper who is a guaranteed starter for Celtic.
Moving from Celtic to Norwich is a massive step down?
That's what I love about Celtic fans, their sense of realism
You are at Norwich's level, if you're lucky.
That's what I love about Celtic fans, their sense of realism
You are at Norwich's level, if you're lucky.
Moving from Celtic to Norwich is a massive step down?
That's what I love about Celtic fans, their sense of realism
You are at Norwich's level, if you're lucky.
Don't be so fecking stupid.
At least we actually beat Barcelona. Unlike you who've had your pants taken down by them and took a severe shagging in your past two meetings.
Which pretty much sums up the extreme arrogance surrounding the English game.
They aren't that good where they can afford to not even give a chance to players based on their league. They've got one legit world class outfield player (Rooney) and another potentially in Wilshere. It's not like they've got a squad like Spain's or Germany's.
Oh, so a once(maybe twice) in a lifetime win and you're now not only better than Norwich but comparing your shower of shite to Manchester United? Away back to proviehoops.com and peddle your crap there, nobody here is buying it.
Ffs you've lost four times this season in the easiest top division going.
Joke
Oh, so a once(maybe twice) in a lifetime win and you're now not only better than Norwich but comparing your shower of shite to Manchester United? Away back to proviehoops.com and peddle your crap there, nobody here is buying it.
Ffs you've lost four times this season in the easiest top division going.
Joke
Aye. Once in a lifetime. Once more than you've managed against the current Barcelona superstars
Comparing my team to yours? 
It was clearly a bit of banter in retaliation to your comment ffs as is my comment at the start of this post just to clarify for you. I think your "proviehoops" comment sums up where your rather ludicrous opinion on the standing of Norwich and Celtic in world football stems from. Classy.
Chill out Pinkie, am only taking the piss. I only had a go cause I remembered you staunchly defending the Bhoys down in the newbs and knew your reaction would be fun.
Sellick are still shit, though.
Sellick are still shit, though.
Celtic are a far, far bigger football club than Norwich, to be fair.
His goal scoring record in the SPL this season hasn't even been that good to be fair. Jelavic is a far superior player, and Celtic would be extremely lucky to get anything close to the fee Rangers received.
That's not what I meant, to be fair. Even though I was just trying to get a rise out of PM, I do genuinely believe that if Celtic, with the squad they have now, were put straight into the PL, they would be struggling and would be fighting it out with the likes of Norwich and Swansea.
Swansea are struggling? Somebody better tell Michu.
There are four points between Norwich and Swansea, yet one is in the top half of the table and the other in the bottom half. What I meant was, that Celtic would be in and around that area of the table. Struggling to make an impact, not necessarily struggling to stay in the league.
So yeah, struggling.
In fairness Swansea are also on to be in a cup final too, but point aside I dont think celtic moving to the prem is on the cards anyway, I think Id rather play at celtic than norwich
Yeah, you would, but then again your former username irishcelt or something, bit of a give away there. Doesn't look like Hooper feels the same way though.