Always thought this. He has an amazing shot from range of course, but that was the majority of what he did during his Spurs season. Always felt he was overrated because of his goals, as his general play wasn't actually that great. He's still a top player though, as with his shooting from range you can't give him any space outside of the box as he can punish you easily and win a game like that as he did a lot for Spurs. As a winger, a creative player, I'd say he's nothing more then average really.
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He cannot be happy at this point. He surely wants to be on a team where he is the main man versus a support player. I say a move is imminent, whether to United or elsewhere.
He cannot be happy at this point. He surely wants to be on a team where he is the main man versus a support player. I say a move is imminent, whether to United or elsewhere.
Er, he was exactly that at Spurs and he decided he wants to go to Madrid to play second fiddle to Ronaldo.
Bale/Rooney/Januzaj
AdM/Carrick/Herrera
Oh baby
AdM/Carrick/Herrera
Oh baby
Would have Nani and Bale (if we went for Bale) with Rooney rather then Adnan. Can Adnan deliver goals and get 10+ assists? I think as a starter, right now he is someone that will occasionally deliver. Deplay might be a good option. Wouldn't want him going to Spurs
120m for Bale would be the most idiotic thing a club has ever done (and significantly higher in idiotic scale than Luiz to PSG for 50m). He's great but 60-70m should be the maximum we should pay for him.
Would much prefer to sign Depay, Dybala and Vietto instead, which would be far lower than 120m and would leave us enough money to fix the defense.
Would much prefer to sign Depay, Dybala and Vietto instead, which would be far lower than 120m and would leave us enough money to fix the defense.
The wierd thing is we already have a team that would have made at least 80% of the calling you a transfer muppet and idiot if you told them 2 years ago that these players would be lining up for us. FFS, Falcao, Herrera, Di Maria, Mata, Rvp, Rooney, Blind etc. It's INSANE, just list as insane as the results are unfortunately
So Real get our star players while we get their cast offs.
A cast off like Bale isn't too bad to be fair. I doubt Bayern complain about getting 'only' Robben.
Tbf the only player they got from us who we wanted to keep was Ronaldo. Bale would still be in the right age if he joined us within 1-2 years so we would get a lot of years out of him.
Having said that I don't want him, especially not for that price. Would much rather prefer a winger for half that price and better in tight spaces + a young striker.
7 games without scoring (8 actually) or assisting.
Pathetic really. It'd be forgivable if his all round game was good, but when his output has been covering his sloppy performances you gave to wonder why he's still starting.
the situation is getting to him. you know he would never go 8 games without scoring or assisting for United.
And some would be very happy if we spent £60 million plus? Not only has he not scored/ assisted recently, his performances haven't broken above average either. Does feel like 2nd season syndrome, even though he has 15 goals/assists this season.
Anyone with half a brain should be happy with us paying anywhere near £60 million for him.
He was the best player in the league when he left, and was superb last year in his first year in a new league, a new country and under pressure of a massive price tag.
He's one of a few players we could build a team around. Modern football fans seem to think a player can have 10 bad games and he's finished - it's a joke. He's clearly suffering a bit but he's a quality player and a great athlete. If he's available then all the top PL clubs will be interested. That tells you all you need to know.
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Ahah Bale when teams park the bus? That would be the biggest flop in history, would want him under Moyes but not under LVG. Especially for the fee he'd cost.
He was far from superb last season. He scored some big goals and considering it was a new team and a new country he had a good debut season. Superb is way, way, way too far though. He had a lot of underwhelming games, and he suffered a lot of the problems he is displaying again this season - greedy at times, technically not at the level of his team mates and lazy defensively.
2013/14 was good for him, but instead of kicking on he's regressed.
So you don't believe that current performance in a season should be reflected in a price tag? Do you think we should spend £60 million based on this season's performances?
And where did I suggest anything about him being finished? Anyone with half a brain could see he's a great player, but isn't playing well enough this season to merit that price.
I'd be very happy with him at £60m next season in fact I'd be ecstatic
It's all relative. Is a player who was the best in the PL when he left worth £60 million to us? For me, Yes - absolute quality and a player who would potentially come back to England and be even better than he was when he left.
He was one if the best players in Europe last year, a bad season (with a decent return anyway) doesn't make him any less of a talent.
We paid £60 million for Di Maria, who other than a few games here and there has been rank average. That's what talented players cost in an age when average players cost £10 million.
He's made for United. Family close by and a club looking for a talismanic player to carry us forward. He's ideal.
Your approach is bizzare. If he's a player you want he's a player you want. He can't be the the future if the club at £50 million but not at £60 million. Quality costs what it costs and if we won't pay it someone else will.
Agreed.
His output has always masked his mediocre all round performances. He wasn't anywhere near superb last season as Bob says, decent with some very important goals on top. Obviously a very good player but we could do without getting absolutely taken to the cleaners if we were going to buy him ( anything above £70 million). I know I probably underrate him a bit but I tend not to take to players who rely more on physical ability than technical ability and Bale is the ultimate showcase of that archetype.
I disagree. Few players perform in big games - less so again when under the pressure he was under. A lot had him down to fail due to the level of expectation and the difficulty of moving abroad - he didn't, and his performances were largely very good.
He might be struggling now and he's getting a lot of stick for it. The fact is he's better than a lot of what we have here and for me I'd be prepared to risk money on a player with proven PL quality and potential to get even better.
The reality is a lot of the issues he faces in Madrid, personally and professionally, potentially disappear with a move back home, close to family and to a club where he'll get time to perform but also the chance to be a star player without the level of pressure he's under now.
I don't really disagree with your point that he'd be a good signing for you at £60m, and think your reasons for that are valid. I just don't think he was anywhere close to being as good for Real Madrid last season as you suggest, and I'd argue that it's too early to deem him a success - especially at that price. You'd surely expect far more from a £100m/€100m player...I doubt many Real Madrid fans would even care that much if he was sold.
The pressure wouldn't really be that much smaller if he came to United for a record fee with us desperately relying on him to be a star player to drag us back up to the top. Obviously if we can get him for £60 million he is probably worth a punt, but anything approaching £100 million would be a huge gamble.
Ronaldo shows you what you can get from that "physical stereotype" when a player is looked after well and developed.
Nobody expects him to he a Ronaldo - if he's half the player then it's worth a shot, especially since he's a player who would be likely to come to the club and give his best years without wanting to move on.
Again, I disagree. Madrid move stars on at the drop of a hat (even when they played well) and the press in Spain from the local propaganda rags are brutal. No players get that treatment here. He'd be at home and as I said above close to family and friends. It's a different situation.
Ronaldo is exceptional in both regards and he added the physique to his unbelievable natural technical ability as we well know from his early years:
Bale on the other hand struggled to muster together some kick ups on his Real Madrid unveiling. Not a fair comparison. I'm not saying he's a complete oaf but he'd be nowhere special without his fantastic pace. I'd compare him more to Kaka and I'd always be a bit worried he could fall off a cliff in similar fashion if we shelled out ridiculous money for him.
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uh oh threads up..did he have a stinker v Bilbao?
As I said - it's a relative. Transfer fees often have no basis In reality. Luiz isn't a £50 million defender any more than Rodriguez (a player playing in France and who had a decent World Cup) was worth what Madrid paid.
Bale's previous performances in this country are what make him worth the risk. Over his last two years here he shown form and an ability to win games that few players in the PL have. He may not ever become a truly top class player but I can't see many other players with his potential and who offer what he might in the PL.
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Every player is a risk. He's PL proven, local and has (as you say) fantastic pace.
Whether he can juggle a ball as well as Ronaldo doesn't bother me. His performances in the PL spoke for themselves - leading the charge for a half decent but not spectacular side - then going on to a big club under huge pressure and more the holding his own. That's the measure of the player for me.
He's not only a talent but a player on a logistical level that seems right for the club.
To be honest I have no doubt you could be right. He already surprised me when he improved so rapidly and became the best player in the league in his last season at Spurs and if he did come to us I'd hope he can do that again. As I say it's really just a personal preference thing more than anything.
thats spurs
Robben wasn't as good when he was at Madrid.
Players need confidence. Bale looks completely shot of that. Also, at Spurs he thrived on being the main man, and Madrid he's just part of team Ronaldo.
Bale here would bang in 25+ goal a season again easily.
Players need confidence. Bale looks completely shot of that. Also, at Spurs he thrived on being the main man, and Madrid he's just part of team Ronaldo.
Bale here would bang in 25+ goal a season again easily.
ADM and Bale suffering the same malady.
I thought the same about Falcao
So did I, but I don't think any of us knew how bad Falcaos injuries seem to have been. Falcao looks physically done, he just doesn't have that yard of pace anymore. Think his injury finished him.
Bale is young, a phenomenal athlete, and feeling the pressure of playing for a circus.
I hope he comes here but I dont know if it will happen
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