Gareth Bale | Signed new contract

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Karel_Poborsky said:
Clearly.

The view of the neutral really is the wrong one here :smirk:
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It's not a view of a neutral.

It's just someone trying to wind people up.

RedSky At Night said:
Clubs can try, but why would they sell their prized asset who is driving them forward in the CL? Signing VDV in the summer and doing well in the CL makes their club stronger and allows Harry to go after higher profile signings.

They're a club moving forward. Bale won't be sold, people are dillusioning themselves if they think Spurs are that stupid.

Move on.
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We sold an even better player than Bale who was driving us forward more than Bale is for Spurs.

If we can sell our best player to a bigger club with more money, then so can Spurs.
 
Karel_Poborsky said:
Clearly.

The view of the neutral really is the wrong one here :smirk:
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It is not the question of United not being able to meet his wages here. Right now, Tottenham won't sell him unless they get some seriously huge bid. They are in the big league now and can't afford to sell players just because they get some good bid on their players.
 
R_Nick said:
Oh please, because we sold Ronaldo?
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Not really, that was just an extreme analogy, any club sells if you offer a bucket load of money. What I meant was if Spurs doesn't need to sell they can't be considered a selling club because someone decides to offer more than a player is worth. If they sell Bale for 20 millions because they're on the red it's totally different than if they sell him for 45.

To me a selling club is a club like Porto (unfortunately) - we need to sell players every year to keep our balance positive. The amount we get for our players depends on our current need and you may get better prices on different seasons. On one season we refused to sell Bruno Alves for 30 million (as we had already made >50 with Lisandro, Lucho and Cissokho) and on the following we let him go for 22.
 
Arruda said:
Not really, that was just an extreme analogy, any club sells if you offer a bucket load of money. What I meant was if Spurs doesn't need to sell they can't be considered a selling club because someone decides to offer more than a player is worth. If they sell Bale for 20 millions because they're on the red it's totally different than if they sell him for 45.

To me a selling club is a club like Porto (unfortunately) - we need to sell players every year to keep our balance positive. The amount we get for our players depends on our current need and you may get better prices on different seasons. On one season we refused to sell Bruno Alves for 30 million (as we had already made >50 with Lisandro, Lucho and Cissokho) and on the following we let him go for 22.
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Is Porto in huge debt or your income from other sources really low?

edit: just checked they are publicly listed.
 
No thanks. Spurs will demand some utterly ridiculous fee which will cripple our transfer budget for another two years, during which time it'll slowly become apparent that you can't become one of the world's top players purely on the basis of "run faster"
 
noodlehair said:
No thanks. Spurs will demand some utterly ridiculous fee which will cripple our transfer budget for another two years, during which time it'll slowly become apparent that you can't become one of the world's top players purely on the basis of "run faster"
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Theo Walcott dislikes this.

Although Bale is technically a very good player, good crosser and what not so might be able to compensate for his lack of pace in later years ala Gigggs.
 
The Taurean said:
Is Porto in huge debt or your income from other sources really low?

edit: just checked they are publicly listed.
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I don't think our debt is huge, though I don't know much about corporate finance so don't know what would classify as huge, but for the Portuguese pattern I think we're not in a very bad position, at least in relation to our rivals.

Our income is low, in an European scale. It's a poor country with a poor league. Proportionately wise we have a good income, we have about the same turnover than Benfica (who has at the very least twice the supporters) which means we're run very effectively.

But to maintain a competitive team in Europe we need to spend more than what we win from "normal" revenues, hence the large effort in scouting and promotion of talent. We are probably the best selling club from Europe in this decade. Profit from selling players is considered as a given in our accounts. A stint of a few years of bad sportive performance (i.e, no Champions League and no decent players to sell) could put us in trouble. Fortunately that's never been close to happen.
 
Karel_Poborsky said:
Did Wayne Rooney not nearly join them though? and vast numbers of people say that he still will in the Summer?
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Cause he's a daft spud who happens to be a cnut. If Bale is a cnut then we shall see him join citeh. He comes across very level-headed, teetotal unlike many top british footballers. He's right up our street.
 
Blair said:
It's not a view of a neutral.

It's just someone trying to wind people up.

We sold an even better player than Bale who was driving us forward more than Bale is for Spurs.

If we can sell our best player to a bigger club with more money, then so can Spurs.
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Difference being, we sold him when WE wanted to after having him at the club for 6 years and we got a world record fee for him.

Spurs have had 1 good year out of Bale. He maybe sold in the future, but not for a while and when he does become available, expect a Ronaldo sized fee. We missed the opportunity with Bale. Next cow please.
 
The way things are looking at the moment Bale could be challenging with Rooney for the Left wing spot at OT next season. I think Chico and Berba have the striking spots sewn up (for now at least)
 
cina said:
If Spurs don't get CL football next season then he'll be out, surely.
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I think thats the key to everything.

Bale has seemed to come alive in the champions league, performing better there than in the premier league. If Spurs can continue to get into the Champions League then I believe he would stay for a few years.

Otherwise, someone, not necessarily us will get lure him away.
 
Jaysus. What the feck is KP on about in here.

Bale won't be leaving Spurs for some time to come. 'Specially if they make two or three more quality signings in the next year which I really can see happening. They have the cash to do it.

As long as Spurs continue to show improvement and ambition I dont see Bale going anywhere.
 
towcester_red said:
:lol: @ Karel_Poborsky on here!

Worst wind up attempt ever...
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I think he was being serious. He has come across as a clueless twat on many occasions now.

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Bale can only improve. Arry is a good manager, but under Fergie I think he would get even better. He clearly has the potential and with the right nurturing from SAF & co. he can really become world class. Tottenham need a few good signings to became an all round better team and selling Bale would generate the needed cash.

I don't think Tottenham would sell easily to another London club, and there is no way he would want to go to City. He's still young and not after money. Barca has less money than us and even some of the best players who go to Real turn into donkeys.

Look at Milner and Barry at City, total shitbags and completely different players from their time at Villa. Same can be said for Robben and Sneijder at Real, and even Van der Vart.

The thing is, a player like Bale will need a club and a manager that cares about it's youngsters and all players like they were their own, and there is no better place that he can find that, then at our very own MUFC.
 
I once signed Bale for United and played him as a LW back in FM 07 days. Its destiny, so please don't destroy my dream KP.
 
Wonderful to see Karel_Poborsky making an idiot of himself in another Bale thread.

You still think he's slow and "constantly gets outpaced" KP? :lol:

As for City having a better side than United, fair enough. I can see why some would think that but what justification do you have? We finished last season with a significantly higher points total and are currently higher than them in the league as they have already lost 3 games and they have scored just 13 goals compared to our 22 (in the league).
 
Karel_Poborsky said:
I love the way you just all assume he'd want to join you.

Man City and Chelsea both have better teams than you, and can offer higher wages. Not to mention Real Madrid and Barcelona plus many more top European clubs.

YOU will NOT be his number 1 destination.
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Not every player is in it for the money! Or even to play with more big money players.

Believe it or not some players still like to join a club for the privilege of playing for one of the worlds biggest and most special clubs (See Berbatov) with a stunning history, fanbase, stadium and so on. Not just because they 'can offer higher wages.'

The majesty of the game's clearly lost on you and for that i can only feel sorry for you.

(And for the record i don't think we'll sign Bale. We could/should have signed him when Spurs did, didn't, and missed the boat. Fabio and Rafael as our L/RBs should go on to do a great job for us anyway.)
 
Red_Jamie said:
Believe it or not some players still like to join a club for the privilege of playing for one of the worlds biggest and most special clubs (See Berbatov) with a stunning history, fanbase, stadium and so on. Not just because they 'can offer higher wages.'
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What like our Wayne. :(
 
Hass it become a new trend of the Non United supporters to justify their Idiotic thoughts by claiming that they're neutral. Sam did the same thing yesterday while this Hull City Supporter is doing the same.

How do these idiots get promoted?
 
Karel_Poborsky said:
Man City have better teams than you
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Right, so you think they're going to finish ahead of us in the league this season then, surely?

The league table doesn't lie at the end of the season, the best teams always rise to the top.

Fancy a bet? Unless, you know, you're just talking out of your arse and know that City aren't actually a better team than us.
 
Spurs won't and don't need to sell.What's so hard to understand.
 
Karel_Poborsky said:
Well the fact of a matter is as soon as anybody tries to open a Man Utd fans eyes to basic reality they have a spaz out attack and start questioning how they got promoted.
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If it was "basic reality" that City have a better side than us then you wouldn't mind taking Brwned up on his bet then would you?
 
Been saying we should've signed him for a year. If we let this lad go to another big club (sorry Spurs) we'll regret it.

I agree, break the bank and sort out our left side for the next 10 years.
 
Drifter said:
Spurs won't and don't need to sell.What's so hard to understand.
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I agree. However if Spurs finish outside the top 4 than it's not unconceivable that Bale would want to move on. Is it?

FWIW I agree that we won't sign him btw.
 
Arruda said:
... any club sells if you offer a bucket load of money. What I meant was if Spurs doesn't need to sell they can't be considered a selling club because someone decides to offer more than a player is worth. If they sell Bale for 20 millions because they're on the red it's totally different than if they sell him for 45 ....
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All true.

Spurs don't need to sell Bale, financially speaking, but if a truly huge sum is offered then we'll probably take it because that money could be spent on signing 2 or 3 top class players that, overall, will likely give us a stronger team/squad.

Which clubs could afford Bale at the price Spurs would demand? City and Chelsea .... and possibly R.Madrid.

How much money would be needed to persuade Levy to sell? Your figure of 45m might be enough, but it's doubtful than less would be IMO.

Is 45m a ludicrous sum? Probably, but that's the whole point as far as Spurs are concerned: crazy money will make a sale, but nothing else will.
 
The Taurean said:
It is not the question of United not being able to meet his wages here. Right now, Tottenham won't sell him unless they get some seriously huge bid. They are in the big league now and can't afford to sell players just because they get some good bid on their players.
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The key is whether they can remain top 4 and in the CL.

If so then there's no reason he won't stay. If not, and with a planned stadium increase/move which will no doubt cost a few quid, and teh loss in revenue and sponsership from CL then a substantial bid for a player who will probably want to continue playing at the highest level may be considered, especially if his value has peaked.

Redknapp is being very clever, denying that he he'll be sold. Fact is he probably wouldn't be making that decision anyway but he's putting pressure on the board to keep the lad.
 
cw1984 said:
If it was "basic reality" that City have a better side than us then you wouldn't mind taking Brwned up on his bet then would you?
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I'm SO desperate for some recognition on an internet forum
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By "basic reality" I wasn't referring to City being better than you. As I presume you know, you're just manipulating text. Which I do daily working in a solicitors office and cba to deal with on here.
 
Drifter said:
Spurs won't and don't need to sell.What's so hard to understand.
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Gareth Bale will more than likely be playing in the Champions League next season, while the way Spurs are going, they more than likely wont be.

It's hardly farfetched that he's going to end up at a different club in the not too distant future, I don't think.

If we're going to spend huge money on a player though, I reckon we'll be better served than paying hugely over the odds for someone who's actually not particularly useful unless he's playing against old/slow people.
 
GlastonSpur said:
All true.

Spurs don't need to sell Bale, financially speaking, but if a truly huge sum is offered then we'll probably take it because that money could be spent on signing 2 or 3 top class players that, overall, will likely give us a stronger team/squad.

Which clubs could afford Bale at the price Spurs would demand? City and Chelsea .... and possibly R.Madrid.

How much money would be needed to persuade Levy to sell? Your figure of 45m might be enough, but it's doubtful than less would be IMO.

Is 45m a ludicrous sum? Probably, but that's the whole point as far as Spurs are concerned: crazy money will make a sale, but nothing else will.
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I dont even think Chelsea or R. Madrid would pay £45m for him.

Chelsea don't throw that kind of cash around anymore and R. Madrid want latin superstars, not 21 year old welsh kids with 10 good games un their belt.
 
Karel_Poborsky said:
By "basic reality" I wasn't referring to City being better than you. As I presume you know, you're just manipulating text. Which I do daily working in a solicitors office and cba to deal with on here.
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I wasn't manipulating anything. You said City were a better side than United then some posts later said United fans don't like it when you show them basic reality. How am I to know which stupid post you're referring to?

Well done for quoting the tag by the way. That means you win, right?
 
GlastonSpur said:
All true.

Spurs don't need to sell Bale, financially speaking, but if a truly huge sum is offered then we'll probably take it because that money could be spent on signing 2 or 3 top class players that, overall, will likely give us a stronger team/squad.

Which clubs could afford Bale at the price Spurs would demand? City and Chelsea .... and possibly R.Madrid.

How much money would be needed to persuade Levy to sell? Your figure of 45m might be enough, but it's doubtful than less would be IMO.

Is 45m a ludicrous sum? Probably, but that's the whole point as far as Spurs are concerned: crazy money will make a sale, but nothing else will.
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This is exactly my whole point, they;ll take the money for him because it would make them a better team by signing two or three top class players. I don't think Tottenham will spend big amounts of money prior to generating a hefty sum.

noodlehair said:
Gareth Bale will more than likely be playing in the Champions League next season, while the way Spurs are going, they more than likely wont be.

It's hardly farfetched that he's going to end up at a different club in the not too distant future, I don't think.

If we're going to spend huge money on a player though, I reckon we'll be better served than paying hugely over the odds for someone who's actually not particularly useful unless he's playing against old/slow people.
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Come off it noodle, Maicon is not slow. He's one of the best defenders around. He's bloody quick. The whole of the Inter defence is one of the best around. Bale made mince meat of them in two legs. You can see the great potential in the lad. He's only 21!
 
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