It’s clear ETH doesn’t want one. Why is this hard to understand for so many? He is looking for a specific skill set, a technical skill set. Not one of the many names that people keep throwing out, or crying that we “missed” out on Kamara, bissouma etc. if he’d wanted that type he’d have gone for that type
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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FDJ would of been a nice addition, but I'm past caring if this happens. I hope tbh he stays and it does feck barca over, but i think they will be ok if he stays.
Combine that with the fact that Ten Hag has often set-up his midfield without that type of player and that should tell you something.
I'm sure they will be fine until next season when they'll be in a much much worse position than they are now.
I think they'll want to get rid of de Jong this season and hopefully a couple of fringe players too. Next season they might have a few that could go too
most probably right there pal
These levers are becoming a bit of a magic money tree. They're paying for deffered wages, new signings, the stadium refurb, Messi and Pique's loyalty bonuses, a new tour bus, two full tanks of petrol, some of those fancy giant prawn cocktail Wotsits, bank loans and interest, a new kitchen suite, shag carpeting in the upstairs loo, Laporta's replacement girdle...
Iqbal zidane might find that he’s in the right place at the right time and up to him to seize his chance
Don’t forget waiters and flowers for the onpitch weddings and dinners
Why would Barca and Utd agree on a fee if they did not want to sell him?
If Barca are now cashed up and they can afford to ppay Frenkie what he is owed then he is going nowhere as it is his dream club.
Clear as mud!
If Barca are now cashed up and they can afford to ppay Frenkie what he is owed then he is going nowhere as it is his dream club.
Clear as mud!
He may play CM, especially if this FDJ deal falls through which it looks like it will now.
You miss the basis of my point.
We could have gotten away with Shaw / Telles for the season ahead.
Another year without a proper ball playing deep midfielder is the more pressing issue, not full backs.
I'm not saying these signings are bad players, they just don't seem like priorities.
I'm not sure.
I don't think Raphina was paid in full up front, they don't have the muscle to ask for something like that. I'd say a portion will be paid up front, 15m perhaps. Throw in the 50m for Lewa you're at 65m.
There's too many hidden fees involved for anyone to really know like agent fees, bonuses like sign on fees etc etc
If they can register these players, that is ultimately all that matters isn't it? Meaning Barca can't use that against him to push him out now, FDJ has no fall back. He just has to stay put and roll out his remaining 4 year deal to get his money.
If Barca were in a position to keep him then we'd know by now and the deal would be off.
The fact is isn't tells us nothing has really changed regarding Barcas mindset on the situaiton
It baffles me how many people on this site have no idea how basic negotiations / leverage works. Of course it's a negotiation tactic. He holds the cards. If he says anything else he loses his leverage for the owed wages.
I just hope we've got a 35 year-old South American defensive midfielder lined up for deadline day who we can sign on a free.
I'm walking away
From the Frenkie in my life
I'm walking away
Oh, to settle for McTominay
Why would he lose leverage?
I dont think this will happen even though it has to from a Barca perspective
Simply because if Barca pay De Jong they will have a queue of players lining up who are owed money
Hard to see how they can resolve this. Either they pay up and prepare for shit hitting fan.
Or they work out some sort of long term resolution with De Jong which Im hoping he will accept
Simply because if Barca pay De Jong they will have a queue of players lining up who are owed money
Hard to see how they can resolve this. Either they pay up and prepare for shit hitting fan.
Or they work out some sort of long term resolution with De Jong which Im hoping he will accept
They'll likely come to this agreement and we will waste our summer chasing him right up to the last minute.
Exactly. He will need to get a deal done with them first and foremost. After that I am sure everything will work out fine.
It’s negotiating and this is his strongest card. He will never let this go without a fair exchange (meaning he gets what his owed).
It's really not that simple. They'll have the money to register players for this season, but next season they'll be in the same boat with de Jong being owed even more per week from what i've read. When this money runs out, which it will quite quickly, they'll have to activate another lever, and another. There will come a time when they have no more levers left to pull, at that time they'll either be back to normal, or they'll be in the crap so so deep that carrying on will be very difficult.
Their whole model makes no sense, just kick the can down the road and figure it out next year. It's kind of like people who live dangerously and recklessly and then say "well, if and when i get into trouble, i'll sort it then". They're basically being reckless and dealing with stuff whenever they can, however they can.
What leverage does he have when it's reported barca can register all players after second lever is activated? Let's say for argument sake this is true yeah? Right what leverage does he have? The only leverage he had was they needed him to be sold to register players. Now he stays and gets his money anyway
You mean another pay cut that he doesn't want, and by all accounts won't accept?
When would it end, next season it'll be another pay cut, then another, in the end they'll be owing him upwards of €50m or so that he'd never see. I'm sure he can see where they're going with that, and is looking at Pique who is owed a massive amount too
Barcelona tried to include clause that if Raphinha is not registered by them, then they can cancel the deal and Leeds refused it.
Lewandowski contract according to Romero
According to Romero, Alemany has put clauses in Lewy's contract:
Barca can terminate his contract at the end of the second season in exchange for financial compensation
If the player stays, his salary for the third year will be considerably lower, and for the fourth year as well
Dont think if 2nd economic levers would have fixed everything, then they would be looking for such exit options.
Lewandowski contract according to Romero
According to Romero, Alemany has put clauses in Lewy's contract:
Barca can terminate his contract at the end of the second season in exchange for financial compensation
If the player stays, his salary for the third year will be considerably lower, and for the fourth year as well
Dont think if 2nd economic levers would have fixed everything, then they would be looking for such exit options.
It’s not pedantic. Romero is saying they can register their signings after the 2nd lever. They haven’t signed Lewandowski yet so we don’t know if he’s included in that statement.Some pedantic feckers on here
Lewa to Barca is done dealio.
Which in my opinion is why they still want de Jong gone and haven't pulled the plug on this deal.
From our perspective as United supporters and getting FDJ to sign all that matters is this window. We shouldn't care about a year or two down the line, its irrelevant to the transfer happening or not. Levers next summer or the one after are a difficult discussion.
The fact is Barca are about to pocket some 300m plus and they've given word to a very reliable tier 1 journalist - Gerard Romero to run that story and another reliable journalist Raphael Honigstein stated a chunk of it is being used to ensure Lewa joins with an up front payment.
Those 2 bits of news this morning (along with FDJ in the tour squad, minor) should be enough for us to now walk away.
Personally I believe those 2 bits of news, which weakens FDJ bargaining against them. They can have their new players AND keep FDJ. He can't make a demand from them now either for 17m right now because as long as they pay him at some point during the remaining 4 years they haven't legally done anything wrong to the best of my knowledge on contractual law.
I don't either, but that doesn't matter.
What matters is here, now and their finances and they are safe for now.
They could likely go into administration in a year or two and so be it but that won't get us FDJ this summer.
Raphael Honigstein also stated it is done and payment is up front.
https://www.besoccer.com/new/appare...xBX2h5VLvHhJggdD5HGVLvQg5jJEvqWSYTe76NegIh0Qo
It's done, he'll be a Barca player for sure!
So by your reckoning were due a brief later on today or at some point tonight saying that we're walking away due to the deal breaking down and Barca not wanting to sell.
Ok lets see if we get that... Ducker has however already stated that United are still very confident in signing him and are willing to play the waiting game.
So it's tier 1 vs tier 1. Lets see if we get that brief eh, personally, we aint getting it i don't think
I’m not saying it won’t happen! I’m saying they haven’t yet signed him so when Romero says the signings they’ve made can be registered after the 2nd lever we don’t know if that includes Lewandowski. He hasn’t officially signed.
That's totally besides the point
This explains the whole situation far better then I can possibly do
Having said that, I think its time for us to call it a day. This mess is between De Jong and Barcelona. We shouldn't be involved into it and quite frankly there's every chance that this problem will go unresolved past the transfer window. We need to strengthen our midfield
the fecking state of them.Just fear without one we are too lightweight
But what if ten Hag doesn't want anyone else, and it's like the whole Pep and Thiago thing at Bayern years ago from the infamous Thiago saga - "It's de Jong or no one" "I don't want anyone other than de Jong, the board knows my request" etc etc.
Yes, as opposed to it not being resolved, as the previous poster said. I love it when people try and act smart but get it wrong.
Agree with you mate
Be nice if the Glazers would ring fence the money and release extra funds to plan without him. If his situation changes, we could swoop, if not no harm done.
Sadly don’t think they will though.
This has dragged on for so long and gotten so messy that it's starting to turn in to a win win. He comes to us and we get an amazing player or he stays and we get the popcorn out and watch the world burn.
I'm desperate for him to come but if he stays and F's them over that will soften the blow.
With that said, I still think we will get him.
I'm desperate for him to come but if he stays and F's them over that will soften the blow.
With that said, I still think we will get him.
Where did I say were due a briefing today?
It's just my personal opinion that we should, but... I expect we'll stick with this like the idiots we are for another while yet at least.
If Barca have funds to register the players then its over. He has now bargaining power at all.
If Barca don't get the 300m plus he can say well I stay and you don't get your new players.
Lads, you're being beyond pedantic as another poster stated. It's semantics!
If you genuinely think tier 1 journo's are running done deal stories of him to Barca without him being registered you're extremely naive.
Lewa is the gem in the crown for them this summer, the rest are add on's, hence Barca agree to pay in full up front. No messing about.
There is no way we will pull plug while we have an agreed fee with Barca. The outstanding issue
There is no way we will pull the plug while we have an agreed fee with Barca. The problem with FDJ's deferred wages is holding up the deal, but we have six weeks to rectify it. Plenty of time.
I'm sure we have alternatives in mind should the deal fall through, probably those we can complete in a deadline day rush.
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