Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

Frenkie to United?

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United sit in a quite comfortable position whatever happens. There’s no reason for us to intervene or move away from our deal with Barcelona. If he comes he comes. It’s better to wait for the right player than panic and just buy what’s available at the moment. DvdB is a good example.

From Barcelona’s perspective the situation is different. Sooner or later they must take a decision how to deal with La Liga’s FPR.
 
7even said:
United sit in a quite comfortable position whatever happens. There’s no reason for us to intervene or move away from our deal with Barcelona. If he comes he comes. It’s better to wait for the right player than panic and just buy what’s available at the moment. DvdB is a good example.

From Barcelona’s perspective the situation is different. Sooner or later they must take a decision how to deal with La Liga’s FPR.
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Yep, the money is on the table, it’s up to Barcelona to take it and force the issue or walk away now.
 
youmeletsfly said:
The level of pabic from the average entitled United fan in this thread is fecking hilarious.
Grown men are moaning about things they have zero control of, being unsatisfied that they're new shiny toy might not come at all.

Boy football does transform grown men into full idiots most of the time.

Now the rant is over, I still think this is done and they're just ironing out a way to force Barsa to pay Frenkie his money.

If, by any means, he does not come, who gives a flying feck? He's not the first player who's transfer fell off and won't be the last.
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It truly is sad to see. People on here think they're transfer experts and that they themselves could have had this sorted within a week with no problems.
They seem to believe that the media are being totally truthful and that every word Frenkie says is the honest truth. He says he wants to stay, he must want to stay, the €17m owed to him and likely lost if he asks to leave is nothing. Pocket change, most on here would be happy to let it go it seems... oh and any loyalty bonuses that he's owed too. Could be more than €17m, but hey, thats not a problem at all.

United agreed a higher fixed fee, they wouldn't have done that if they weren't sure that de Jong wanted to come, but as per, the resident experts on here know better and they know, somehow, that de Jong does not want to come, never wanted to come and never will come. How they know that... well if you ask them, it's because he said he wants to stay, and it's because what the papers in Spain say.
 
Wilt said:
I don’t listen to Spanish press, they’re more full of bollocks than British media.

Don’t see the point in pursing a player who wants to live and play in Barcelona. However, if he is forced out, think he would prefer Chelsea, being a CL club, whereas unfortunately Utd are wanna be CL.

Hey, it’s only my take, don’t take it to heart.
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But CL is a one season thing. Whats saying Chelsea have a crap season and don't make CL next year? Whereas we make it easily? We don't know that.
Chelsea aren't in for him, they showed a little interest then it went quiet and cold. They can't fit him into the squad anyway, where would they play him? They already have players that play in his position that are quality as is.

There are many theories as to why he's saying he wants to stay, yet United are still pushing so they must have had assurances that once this is sorted, he's open to the move. Simple fact is, we just don't know, and likely won't know, even after all this is done and dusted.
 
Wilt said:
I don’t listen to Spanish press, they’re more full of bollocks than British media.

Don’t see the point in pursing a player who wants to live and play in Barcelona. However, if he is forced out, think he would prefer Chelsea, being a CL club, whereas unfortunately Utd are wanna be CL.

Hey, it’s only my take, don’t take it to heart.
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We currently have like 8 midfielders who play more centrally. We have no space at all for De Jong. Think you can safely stop worrying about him coming to us.
 
Adam-Utd said:
If we have to go another season then so be it. We wait for the right person.

Eriksen, Fred, Mctominay, DVB, Savage, Iqbal may not be world class but it's hardly the worst in the world.

Sometimes you miss out on targets and that gives another a chance. I've really liked what the 2 young lads have shown so far, they could progress to be as good as FDJ.

Is it frustrating? sure - but we've missed out on bigger names before and still done OK.
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The only decent player in that list is Eriksen.

McFred are atrocious together and there's simply no way they are enough to get us top 4 attempting ETH's style.

Another player is needed for sure that improves us.
 
Up until now he hasn't share any pics of his return to Barca on his socials. So I would say it's over when he start sharing pics of the pre-season tour showing how happy he is on his socials
 
the_cliff said:
Ok, so they can't give FDJ 17mill to leave, therefore not gaining 82mill from United for the transfer and not being able to register their new 60mill and 55mill signings (Raphinha and Lewa) who were both paid for by Barcelona in majority up front.

Makes sense.
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And you know they were paid up front how?
Do you know the structure of the deals? Hell they owe Liverpool a stupid amount for Coutinho still and that was done ages ago! Very few transfers are paid up front.

So you believe that they'll be able to offer Raphinha and Lewandowski decent wages when they're already at their cap and have to get rid of a few players to get below that cap to register their new players with La Liga? Do you not think if they could have paid that money, they'd have done so by now? If they could pay it off, why haven't they, rather than ask de Jong to take another cut and presumably defer more money for a few more seasons? Why not just pay his deferred wages off now and reduce his contract to a more acceptable level, you know, because you clearly believe they can do that no problem?
 
mitchmouse said:
yeh what ever become of Humphrey's younger brother who couldn't spell his surname right?
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Brownie85 said:
Ah yes, because he said so. How many times have players said they love a club and don't want to leave, only for them to leave! Ronaldo did it in 2009, said he loved United and he was looking forward to the future with us... that was in June i believe, a few weeks later he was gone. Many players have done it. You get the egotistical bastards that like to think they're bigger than a club and force a move, but most don't.

You seem to think that giving up €17m isn't a problem and that he should do straight away. If he says he wants to leave, Barca could use that to get out of paying him the owed money depending on whats written into his contract, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW! Theres also the loyalty bonuses that he'd forgo if he said he wants to leave. He's likely being advised to say he wants to stay to ensure that he gets the cash. You truly do believe that transfers are as simple as submitting a bid, having it accepted and the player just accepting personal terms. Barca are in a fecking mess at the moment, they owe money out left and right, they owe players obscene amounts of money and yet they're still signing players like nothing is wrong. If they're making signings then it surely shows that they're confident, as are United that de Jong is going. They've probably already spent the fixed fee we've promised them in my opinion!

Plus this is a new team in charge now, Woodward the liability is gone. United want to get as far away from that shit as possible. This was never going to be an easy transfer to sort out and United knew that from the very beginning. Ten Hag has his assurances and he's pushing United to keep going. Can you imagine the backlash on him from the board if it turns out that de Jong doesn't want to come? They'd question every signings suggestion he has in my opinion. So how about looking at the bigger picture and viewing things from different angles instead of just blindly swallowing what the media feeds you?
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Firstly, we're all assuming that United would not be foolish enough or amateurish enough to target a player who doesn't want to come to us. I'd like to believe that too but I can't dismiss the possibility completely.

Secondly, United should have a group of highly paid people whose main job is to secure transfers. As you rightly say, that doesn't just involve submitting a bid and having it accepted there's a lot more to it than that. Some transfers are that simple, others are not but that is why our team of "specialists" are well paid. It's their job to do due diligence on any transfer targets. They should have known there was an issue about deferred wages and they should have planned a strategy to deal with that.

I accept we do not know ALL that is going on but the surface optics of this saga is that it's not going entirely to plan for us.
 
Rolaholic said:




Agreed, truly can't imagine that not being the case. ETH seems the no nonsense but sensible and level-headed type.

The same way we couldn't and wouldn't have chased Sancho for 2 years without assurances he'd join, I don't see that not being the case with De Jong
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Isn’t the better theory that Ten Hag has backed himself to change his mind? That he’s told the board to give him as long as possible and he guarantees he can get it done?
 
Keefy18 said:
Completely agree.

Next Friday should absolutely be the end of it, one way or another.

People saying we can go down to Deadline day are talking waffle! We definitely can't.
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Its always next Friday!
 
What do Barca expect to happen here? They know they need to offload FDJ to register their shiny new toys, but FDJ has made it very clear he has no intention of leaving until he's paid his owed deferred wages. Do they expect us to pick up the tab? Or do they eventually succumb and just pay the man his dues? Or are they stupid enough to expect him to just give up and wave it?
 
the_cliff said:
Now this makes more sense the way Barca is acting:

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It's a short term solution to a long term problem. They'll likely be able to register for this season but what do they do when the money is gone? Its back to wage deferrals and salary cuts.
The fact still remains that de Jong will still need to take a salary cut if he stays, regardless of the lever. That was said before by Romano i believe it was.
 
Offside said:
We agreed a fee 3 days ago and he’s going on tour with his current team? Every single reliable source says he’s committed to staying. I really don’t know where you get your faith from. If this was an isolated case then fair enough but it stinks of previous transfers dealings. All of which have been failures.
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All of which were perpetrated by a different regime, one which was renowned for it incompetence. We’re not that anymore. They haven’t let us down yet, and until they do I have no reason to disbelieve them.
He is on tour because he is honouring his contract, which is what he expects Barca to do. If they make a settlement with him for the deferred wages he will leave and join United. It’s as simple as that. If Barca won’t settle then they will be forced to pay him in full. They cannot do that and sign all their galácticos. Something will have to give and it will likely favour United. That’s why I have faith.
 
7even said:
United sit in a quite comfortable position whatever happens. There’s no reason for us to intervene or move away from our deal with Barcelona. If he comes he comes. It’s better to wait for the right player than panic and just buy what’s available at the moment. DvdB is a good example.

From Barcelona’s perspective the situation is different. Sooner or later they must take a decision how to deal with La Liga’s FPR.
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This is so wrong. We are in desperate need for CM reinforcements. Our rivals are all strengthening massively and we have a lot of ground to make up. We can't wait for the perfect player when there are plenty of alternatives available much better than what we have. Tielemans or Laimer for example...

We can't afford to write off the first few games of the season!
 
cyberman said:
Literally goes against what Barca board members said yesterday?
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They still need to get players to take cuts. This money won't last forever, it'll likely get them through this upcoming season, but we're back to square one next season unless they take action now.
They wouldn't have agreed a fee with United if they didn't want him gone. This lever might allow them to pay off his deferred wages, but he's either going to have to take another salary cut or leave anyway. Thats been the stance for weeks now, levers or no levers
 
Brownie85 said:
It's a short term solution to a long term problem. They'll likely be able to register for this season but what do they do when the money is gone? Its back to wage deferrals and salary cuts.
The fact still remains that de Jong will still need to take a salary cut if he stays, regardless of the lever. That was said before by Romano i believe it was.
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It sounds like he doesn't need to do anything (de jong). If he refuses to move, he cant have another wage deferral forced upon him. Barca would be pretty fecked surely.
 
Brownie85 said:
And you know they were paid up front how?
Do you know the structure of the deals? Hell they owe Liverpool a stupid amount for Coutinho still and that was done ages ago! Very few transfers are paid up front.

So you believe that they'll be able to offer Raphinha and Lewandowski decent wages when they're already at their cap and have to get rid of a few players to get below that cap to register their new players with La Liga? Do you not think if they could have paid that money, they'd have done so by now? If they could pay it off, why haven't they, rather than ask de Jong to take another cut and presumably defer more money for a few more seasons? Why not just pay his deferred wages off now and reduce his contract to a more acceptable level, you know, because you clearly believe they can do that no problem?
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There's been plenty of reports that Leeds and Bayern both asked for the fees to be paid majority up front due to knowing about Barca's terrible finances.

https://www.besoccer.com/new/appare...-barca-to-pay-upfront-for-lewandowski-1158895

Bayern in fact demanded it. Due to them having to wait a while to receive the funds for their Vidal transfer.


Yes, I do believe that they can offer Lewa and Raphinha decent wages right now otherwise they wouldn't have accepted to join them in the first place. Again Barcelona are not acting as if they are in the situation you think they are in. Again you aren't answering my question.
 
Brownie85 said:
It's a short term solution to a long term problem. They'll likely be able to register for this season but what do they do when the money is gone? Its back to wage deferrals and salary cuts.
The fact still remains that de Jong will still need to take a salary cut if he stays, regardless of the lever. That was said before by Romano i believe it was.
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The short term is all we care about though as United supporters and getting FDJ.
 
Adisa said:
I do not believe for one second Erik Ten Hag is forcing the club to buy a player he has private access to, if he doesn't believe the player is keen on joining. It defies everything we have learnt about the man.
Frenkie De Jong is doing what every employee would do. Barca made De Jong sign a contract with nearly 60% of his wages deferred to the last three years of his contract and are now telling him to feck off. They're fecking him. No matter how much I loved United, I would do the same.
You're naive if you don't believe FdJ and ETH are not speaking in private.
What I have grievance with is the club putting an open ended date on when this deal needs to be done. We need to set a deadline.
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I think he is keen on joining but only if he is forced to leave Barca. He will not be the one pushing for the exit because he is perfectly fine staying there. I still think we will get him because we will inevitably cave in to all demands from FdJ and are even likely to pay him some wages owed by Barca because we will definitely get more desperate the closer to the transfer deadline we are.
 
VP89 said:
It sounds like he doesn't need to do anything (de jong). If he refuses to move, he cant have another wage deferral forced upon him. Barca would be pretty fecked surely.
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Pretty much. Hence why they want him out. I believe he will leave at some point this season, but the wage issue is a big one. They can't force him to do anything at all, absolutely not, but they can make life difficult for him in a legal way. If he does stay on his current contract, i can't even begin to imagine how they're going to afford his wages in the upcoming season. No idea what they were thinking when they even asked him to do that
 
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