Bet VDB hasn't helped this situation
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Fair point, which I am not in position to say those have that view is wrong.
Just a hope that EtH knowing FdJ previously, he knows a bit more about FdJ sporting ambition and character in person, than just scouts gathering data, info externally or via a third person.
Nah, that's just us fans being completely demoralized and for good reason.
The truth is that on a last 3 year timeline we've finished 3ed, 2ed and probably 6th. We are Manchester United, one of the richest and most famous clubs in the World with now having one of the hottest prospects of a manager. No matter how dark things look, remember that being a huge club, like Liverpool or Barca or Inter in the past, have had no issues with attracting top level talent.
Even with a rookie as a manager last summer we've attracted the likes of Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo.
The key is in financial ability and, a well thought out footballing project. We now have both IMO and it's best to forget about this horrible season and look ahead.
Also, the English media is in complete orgasm seeing United doing badly and are kicking as much as possible. I'm not crying conspiracy here, it's probably just a very lucrative thing to do giving how down and hungry for blood United fans are.
With the exception of City, Pool, Madrid and Bayern, I see no other club starting from a much better position then us next season. We do our job right in the transfer market and on the training pitch and we should be nailed on top 4 favorited and build from there. De Jong will be a great starting point.
100% I think it's a valid concern but we have to back our manager, if he want's the player then I think we hope he has done his due diligence and we should respect that
I expect we’ll enquire just like all the top clubs, but we’d really need to get him to buy into the project which is gonna be hard because we’re a mess right now, and a big gamble if he has his pick, and he’ll have seen what happened to Pogba too.
Surely he'll be all over getting the gang back together?
Pogba came to us instead of going to Real Madrid like he really wanted to. Look what we got.
Sanchez moved to us, what did we get?
If it's true that Barca are forcing him out, and he doesn't want to leave, then his choices as a player are limited by who bids for him and who can afford to pay his fee.
As a club our options are not limited in this situation. If we have an inkling that the player isn't keen to join our club, we should not sign him.
It requires an open, honest conversation.
Why not ?
From what I've seen of DVB he seems to be happy in Manchester and loves the fans, his only problem was with not been given enough chances to start which was everyone's problem, with ETH here I think he'll be loving life next season. If Donny wanted to leave there'd be news about him wanting out like there was in the winter when he wanted a new club where he can play consistently, wouldn't be surprised if ETH has already had a chat with him.
Ronaldo, Varane, Sancho after finishing 2nd. This time around we fell out for prioritizing the wrong positions not because we didn't go for top players after a decent season.
Why not? His issues, if any, should be with the managers, Ole and RR. Getting ETH to the club must have been one of Donny's biggest dreams. The manager he was so successful with plus some of the players he played with must be an amazing situation for him. If I'm him, I do all I can to convince my former mates to join.
That Pogba ‘really wanted to go to Madrid’ is totally made up and baseless.
Sanchez moved to us and it didn’t work out. So what? He didn’t come here kicking and screaming.
Maybe Bruno Fernandes would have preferred to go to Real Madrid instead of Manchester United, if given the choice at the time. That doesn’t mean that any club other than Real Madrid he will not bother with football.
Ousmane Dembele left Dortmund kicking and screaming to get to Barcelona, his dream club. Then his professionalism was questioned.
Fans need to stop looking at every football decision as some sort of romantically driven choice. It is a huge business, and is their job. Some players are more professional than others. That is literally all that matters. If a player is professional and genuinely cares about football, he will be honest enough to himself to train and play well.
Tomas Souceck made a career decision to join West Ham, as coming to England made sense as a career move for him. He’d probably have preferred to go to Liverpool or Chelsea, but he got West Ham, and he has come and given his best not because he grew up blowing bubbles, but because he is a professional.
And Manchester United have bought players from various clubs for various fees and it hasn’t worked out. Especially of late. And De Jong isn’t being ‘forced’ out. He can honour his contract if he wishes. Him choosing to come here would be because in light of current circumstances, it now makes more sense for him to come to United where he is wanted than stay at Barcelona where he isn’t. If that was not the case, he’d stay.
Is it happening?
VDB and Klaassen superb for Ajax but cannot blow out a candle in England and yet this guy can come and tear it up in a Utd shirt......groundhog day
You do realise he is playing for Barca right.
Willing to bet he's already had a chat with Ten Hag and he'll be back in the fold.
I would add that the vast majority of players at all professional levels are competitors, they want to win. Even the ones that lack maturity and need guidance when it comes to professionalism want to win because that's what they know, that's how they reached the top of professional sport.
Sometimes people forget that even the worst player in a top league is a top athlete and competitor.
Might of been a Dortmund fan haha
Non football but can't believe people are calling Paris a shithole. Parts are, like in every city, but in the main, Paris embarrasses most European cities. Old world grandeur and great bars, restaurants etc
Indeed. And the vast majority of players are also not playing football at the club if their dreams, no more than the majority of us are not working at the jobs of our dreams.
It’s football fans who always need a storyline. ‘Haaland chose City because his dad played for them’. That kind of stuff. People forget that every player needs a club. They need to work somewhere. No player is forced to join any club, or signs against their will. They simply don’t always get their first choice, that’s all.
Your point about professionalism is also correct. They have all fought massively to get to where they are. All we can ask is for players to be professional. They don’t need to grow up with Cantona posters. Ighalo did, and many fans wanted him out quite quickly.
I might start reporting ‘might of’ and ‘should of’ posts from now on. All too upsetting for me.
The central areas are quite nice, quite possibly the nicest in Europe, but the outskirts have fallen off a cliff which reduces the total view on the city significantly. Granted, most footballers and rich probably will never visit those parts though.
Barca want/need to sell.
Player is happy there and doesn't want to leave.
Xavi wants to keep him.
Player doesn't fancy Utd.
All press speculation and rumours at the moment, even taking into account "no smoke without fire" etc.
Just one comment.
City have a key midfield vacancy coming up.
Will FDJ not fancy that opportunity if it came up?
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Player is happy there and doesn't want to leave.
Xavi wants to keep him.
Player doesn't fancy Utd.
All press speculation and rumours at the moment, even taking into account "no smoke without fire" etc.
Just one comment.
City have a key midfield vacancy coming up.
Will FDJ not fancy that opportunity if it came up?
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There are lots of reasons players chose a team, and if you were in FdJ situation imagine the various considerations. There are the usual ones of:
However, if they can be sold the vision of a club, their ego can be stroked by being seen as the catalyst which converts an unsuccessful club to a successful one
Effectively, do you want to be a Darron Gibson or Danny Welbeck (who both have EPL medals without contributing a great deal relatively to an already successful team) or do you want to be an instrumental cog in changing the fortunes of a club (obvious example is Eric Cantona).
- Are they going to pay me enough?
- Am I going to be (more or less) guaranteed to play?
- Do I buy into the manager?
- Am I going to win things there?
However, if they can be sold the vision of a club, their ego can be stroked by being seen as the catalyst which converts an unsuccessful club to a successful one
Effectively, do you want to be a Darron Gibson or Danny Welbeck (who both have EPL medals without contributing a great deal relatively to an already successful team) or do you want to be an instrumental cog in changing the fortunes of a club (obvious example is Eric Cantona).
The outskirts haven't fallen off any cliff, it's no different to other large cities. Some parts are nice and others aren't, that's the consequences of a large concentration of people living in a fairly limited area.
To be fair he hasn't turned into the the player we all thought he could, it's similar with de Ligt, both amazing at Ajax, but neither have exactly stood out since their moves to Barca and Juve. It's very noticable that Barca will do anything to hang on to Pedri and Gavi but De Jong is expendable.
Maybe De Jong will feel he can reignite his career under ETH again.
I wouldn't be surprised if FdJ is offered the Captaincy within six months as part of joining.
I get where you are coming from but it’s still a bizarre logic. It’s like the reasoning Neville and some fans do when he says Manutd have gone for the tried and tested route with managers and look what happened. The point is it all depends on the culture at the club the accountability the professionalism from the people at the club. From the manager to the higher ups it all depends on them. So all the examples you have cited with us previously don’t count because the problem was football never being the top priority for the Ed regime. It ultimately tricked down to the players and explain their lack of professionalism.
It’s funny you mentioned Sanchez. Sanchez didn’t want to leave Barca either and sign for Arsenal. Was he not one of the league’s best player there ?
Ronaldo wanted to go to Madrid since 2006. Was he not successful here ?
Suarez didn’t want to leave Barca, Yaya toure didn’t want to leave Barca, Robben didn’t want to leave Madrid, Sneijder didn’t want to leave Madrid etc. They all did and yet they all flourished somewhere else. In the end it all comes down to your professionalism and club’s professionalism who is signing you. You create an environment of football with responsibility and accountability and I don’t see a problem at all whether the said player wanted to leave the club or not.
He's not English though
He's not English though
He is as english as Aké.
If Barcelona want to sell then I doubt Xavi alone can stop the board’s decision. Pretty sure Koeman didn’t want Messi to leave but the board said he has to leave and he left. I think the board already purposely planned for this by signing Kessie.
Nah hopefully those bright ideas left the building when Ole was shown the door.
I disagree but hey hopefully we’ll find out first hand next season
Would be as good a signing as we can make.
We're becoming an acronym team.
Erik ten Hag = ETH
Donny van de Beek = DVB
Frenkie de Jong = FDJ
Aaron Wan-Bissaka = AWB
David de Gea = DDG
Christiano Ronaldo = CR7
Harry Maguire = SHIT
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Erik ten Hag = ETH
Donny van de Beek = DVB
Frenkie de Jong = FDJ
Aaron Wan-Bissaka = AWB
David de Gea = DDG
Christiano Ronaldo = CR7
Harry Maguire = SHIT
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Where do I start to laugh?
I wouldn’t call Maguire a shit hot individual talent but each to their own.
Do we really think he'll have something good to say ?
About the old manager? No. He won't need to say anything about ETH
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