This one is in the bag.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Richard Arnold after snuffing out several more protests.
Usually you get the ok very early, before a fee is agreed
I personally think this is the REAL reason for the delay and all these other stories are just a small part of the larger truth. The 2nd lever to facilitate this process kicks in by 15th of this month apparently so reckon it drags on a little bit still.
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A new article came out this morning explaining the details of De Jong's Barcelona contract and the numbers are MASSIVE.
There's no chance in hell he's walking away from the money he's in line for and it's not realistic for him to take a 40-50% cut.
There's no chance in hell he's walking away from the money he's in line for and it's not realistic for him to take a 40-50% cut.
If he’s a lifelong Barca fan, why did they have to get him on a contract so massive from
Ajax? Is it because PSG were also interested?
Crazy.
Ajax? Is it because PSG were also interested?
Crazy.
Honestly I'd be surprised if this one happens. Barca owe him so much money by the sounds of it that, if they sold him, the majority of his fee would go to him. With that in mind, he's going to be reluctant to walk away and, if Barca can get these investments sorted, they'd be better off keeping him and paying the money owed over the next few years rather than a lump sum.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation?
Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation?
The differed payment are his rights and he'll be paid regardless of a transfer definitely.
Paying the new earnings alongside the differed wages wouldn't be an option for Barca, they'll want to get him off their wage bill, and then sort out an agreement for the differed wages.
think what's holding the deal up is his agent negotiating the money he's due to be paid. No way he'll write all that off when they're openly registering new players, trying to sign Raphina and Lewandowski for big money/wages.
How they think they can get away with it is mind boggling! why the feck would any player want to go there when they treat players like this
How they think they can get away with it is mind boggling! why the feck would any player want to go there when they treat players like this
They would be in a position to negotiate with him to see if he'd accept a reduction if he stays. Which is what Laporte said the other day and makes sense.
Only a fool would accept such terms, Romano said a reduced wage isn't an option.
There's no reason Barca can't continue to pay him his deferred wages after signing for United, we do that when we subsidize wages after moving a player on.
Ultimately Barca are clearly negotiating his sale. They are open to him leaving.
Not sure why anyone would think otherwise at this point although it does seem like the money they owe him is a problem. Possibly they want to renegotiate this but keeping the player, paying him what they owe and getting him to agree to a lower contract seems very far fetched. Especially when you consider they have just signed Kessie and have several other deals waiting to go through.
Not sure why anyone would think otherwise at this point although it does seem like the money they owe him is a problem. Possibly they want to renegotiate this but keeping the player, paying him what they owe and getting him to agree to a lower contract seems very far fetched. Especially when you consider they have just signed Kessie and have several other deals waiting to go through.
Looking at this one very simply at the moment: Barca want to sell, clearly, as they're still negotiating. The player himself has not told his old mate Erik that it's absolutely a no-go, not gonna happen - so clearly the player is at least open to it.
Probably best to just not look at this for a while. It's likely to be a slow burner.
Probably best to just not look at this for a while. It's likely to be a slow burner.
And Fabrizio has said a pay cut is a very unlikely option for FDJ and rightfully so. A reduction after a deferral just doesn't seem realistic for ANY employee let alone a multi millionaire athlete
Surely, if he leaves this summer, Barca still owe him 12m + his loyalty bonus..
No wonder he wont push for a move.. he has a lot to lose..
Barca want him gone, but clearly are trying to save whatever money they can get..
They owe Ajax for the transfer, the owe the player around 25m and his agent some money.. If they are in financial trouble, this isnt helping, at all..
Outside the FDJ transfer, more boardly, they need to stop papering over the cracks.. take the hit.. rebuild.. La liga isnt as competitive for the top 4 as the league.. they can rebuild for a couple of seasons and still make the the CL revenue..
They're basically setting out their stall that he's a greedy bastard if he leaves...
They’d still legally owe him the money and be obliged to pay it. So if you were him would you;
a) Stay at the club, allow yourself to be put on a lower contract, wait to be paid what you are owed whilst you see new players coming in for millions of euros
or
b) Move clubs on an equal contract to what you are on, negotiate a pay out or payment structure from Barca for what you are owed.
Think b) is what the majority would look at doing and makes most sense.
The whole Barca media narrative is being set so blatantly and people still want to pour cold water on the obvious reality.
Because I'd imagine a few don't want it to happen as they're under the impression that he doesn't want to play for us so won't be committed and won't give 100%.
Others probably just think we have no chance of signing a player of his quality
I really don't understand why he seems to be so loyal to Barca. They are a shadow of their former self, like we are. Their fans seem to be divided when it comes to de Jong, some want him to stay while others think he is overrated and has not really set the world on fire since joining them. Also Xavi's system does not suit him while he could be pivotal in ten Hag's new United team.
The only thing they can offer we cannot is CL football this season, which is a given for them playing in La Liga.
The only thing they can offer we cannot is CL football this season, which is a given for them playing in La Liga.
I imagine it’s a pride thing, he finally got to play for the team he’s always dreamt of and it hasn’t turned out how he hoped.
Plus he hasn’t exactly flopped there either, so to be told you aren’t wanted when you’ve performed fairly well must be a kick in the teeth.
There’s no doubt in my mind that he will give his all for United though.
Or maybe he isn't so loyal and just being clever, this puts him in good position regarding negotiations with both clubs.
It isn't a giving they had to fight hard after Xavi came in last season, compared to us we gave up after the Liverpool drumming at Old Trafford.
Yeh I remember that alright! So disappointingI’ll never forget Woodward flying back from a tour to complete a transfer that never happened.. think it was Kroos at the time
He is on a huge contract. He wouldn't necessarily improve his financial compensation by moving to United compared to staying at Barca even if he'd agree to reducing his salary, which he doesn't have to do in the first place. United are not in the CL and its still remains to be seen if ETH can sort out the mess. FdJ is 25 and has a contract till 2026. Its not now or never for him. He could easily wait for another year to see how United is developing. Barca might not like it, but they can't do much about it. He seems to have a good relationship the Xavi and we have already seen that Laporta's threats are empty. If he stays, he is going to play regularly.
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It makes no sense with all the weeks that have gone by not to agree personal terms in advance of agreeing the fee, so that your time, as with Fabregas nearly a decade ago, isnt totally wasted. And especially as all De Jong's public pronouncements have been that he wants to stay at Barca. He said 20 days ago he was "already at the biggest club in the world".
My fear is that the way this is being played out things are going the same way as that Fabregas pursuit.
Always take care of blind faith. It usually smells of naivety. We have been in this position before historically and been played. Take the Cesc Fabregas saga to name but one. Same very public chase for a Barcelona midfielder that ended with the Spaniard staying put and we ended up panic-buying Fellaini.
It makes no sense with all the weeks that have gone by not to agree personal terms in advance of agreeing the fee, so that your time, as with Fabregas nearly a decade ago, isnt totally wasted. And especially as all De Jong's public pronouncements have been that he wants to stay at Barca. He said 20 days ago he was "already at the biggest club in the world".
My fear is that the way this is being played out things are going the same way as that Fabregas pursuit.
Hope we have a back up plan if FDJ doesn't sign.
(We probably don't have a back up plan in all honesty)
(We probably don't have a back up plan in all honesty)
It'll be a test of how much he wants to stay, for sure. A few of their other players have renegotiated a lower salary, so I don't think it's out of the question. It'll all depend on the numbers at the end of the day and how much of a reduction he will have to take. From the reports (although Romano says we've not agreed a salary) he will be taking a wage reduction to move here anyway, as his salary is subsidised by Nike.
If he stays he also becomes a scapegoat for the Catalan Media(they scapegoated Suarez when he was refusing to leave FDJ is a nobody)and fans if his presence and salary prevents additional signings and player registrations.
Barca fans booed Dembele with rumors about him wanting a pay rise some months ago. FDJ refusing to take a pay cut when everyone else is won't go down well with anyone within Barca. Staying on the same wages might possibly be the worst option for him
Its the Thiago saga all over again.
Yeah, having to get rid of Messi and asking the rest of the squad to take a cut would be "understandable" if they weren't signing players left right and center (Christensen, Kessie, on top Auba, Traore, Torres etc. mid season).
And now they're also pushing hard for Lewa, Raphinha and Kounde but owe some deferred money to current players and still asking/expecting them to take major pay cuts. Absolutely crazy.
Back up plan? Come on, I'm just getting used to having a plan at all.
Let's not push our luck....
You're over thinking it a bit, Barca have already agreed an initial fee with us and still negotiating add ons, if they wanted to keep him they wouldn't do that at least not before exhausting every other possibility, its really just a matter of time.
I got a feeling this won't happen.
I would say moreso if they were from Dublin.
I just don’t see where the doubt is coming from? Yeah it’s annoying Barca are making it take so long but they’re a horrible mess of a club, sadly it’s what you expect from them these days.
Feels that way certainly. Feel it would have been wrapped up a while ago if it was actually happening.
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